Neptune Subsonic Cruise Missiles hit S-400 ADS

[Foinikas]

Considering that at least 100 of SIMSEK Kamikaze Drones were launched, the Enemy's very expensive air defense system launches dozens of missiles in panic and runs out of stock ..... and GAME OVER

Russia has fired swarms of Iranian kamikaze drones against Ukraine. But nobody has fired swarms in the numers of 100 or even close to that. Including Turkey. And talking about launching hundreds of drones needs good coordination.

 

[LeGenD]

I dont care about fairy American tales

Russia never used S400s against Israel in Syria to protect Iran backed groups and Regime forces

See my previous post.

and Pathetic Russian Armed Forces lacks cost effective Kamikaze Drones , long range guided munitions and mini Cruise Missiles for swarm attack to hit PATRIOTs in Ukraine

A few KHINZAL or KALIBR Missiles are not enough for swarm attack

Pathetic Russian armed forces?

Russian forces bombed and ruined several Syrian cities and defeated Syrian rebels in different sectors of the country. Russian forces have made it possible for Assad regime to RECLAIM numerous sectors of Syria.

Russian forces have also bombed and ruined several Ukrainian cites, continue to hold ground in numerous Ukrainian sectors, and were attacking Ukrainian infrastructure across the country - electricity could not restored in various sectors of the country consequently. Russian forces would have reduced Kyiv to rubble if NATO had not supplied sophisticated air defense systems to counter Russian standoff munitions in this sector.

Russians have used hundreds of cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, and kamikaze drones in Ukraine. Russian kamikaze drones were wrecking havoc in Kyiv and have struck numerous Ukrainian vehicles on the ground.

You make it sound like it is easy to detect, track, and engage hypersonic weapons and terrain-hugging cruise missiles - absolutely.

We have seen PATRIOT which failed to stop 28 Kamikaze Drones and Cruise missiles attacking Saudi oil sites at the same time

See my previous post.

We have seen PATRIOT which failed to stop 28 Kamikaze Drones and Cruise missiles attacking Saudi oil sites at the same time


1 PATRIOT Battery = 8 launcher .. 32 missiles

to fire 100 KEMANKES , KUZGUN-TJ , TRLG-230 , CAKIR , KARGI , SIMSEK .... and GAME OVER

even No need to fire BORA , TAYFUN , SLAM-ER , HARM , ATMACA and SOM Ballistic-Cruise Missiles


$5 million Kamikaze Drones and mini Cruise missiles will be enough to destroy 1 PATRIOT Battery ($1,1 billion)

Anything is possible in THEORY.

 

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The bottom line is that Patriot >>>>> S-400 and S-300 systems when configured for excellence.

160 km PATRIOT is inferior to compare with S400 to hit Fighter Jets ,Bombers and AWACS

S400 has the longest kill record in the world
( S400 shot down Ukranian SU-27 over Kiev from Belarus 150+ km away )

Thanks to 380 km 40N6 and 250 km 48N6 Missile with speed of mach 5,9


and 500 km S-500 already in service

 

[LeGenD]

PATRIOT can intercept SU-34 , SU- 35 , KINZHAL , KALIBR , etc one by one


but I am talking about swarm attack by 50 -100 cost effective Kamikaze Drones , long range guided munitions and mini Cruise Missiles for swarm attack at the same time to hit PATRIOTs


Russia can not fire 50- 100 KINZHAL Missiles for ( $500 million - $1 billion )

but Turkiye can fire 100 SIMSEK Kamikaze Drones and IHA-230 supersonic Missiles for $5 million



Considering that at least 100 of SIMSEK Kamikaze Drones were launched, the Enemy's very expensive air defense system launches dozens of missiles in panic and runs out of stock ..... and GAME OVER


Russia lacks this capability

NOT in one by one fashion but multiple like a swarm. Russia wants to destroy Patriot systems in Ukraine and is doing everything in its power to score hits on these systems. Even though Patriot systems are automatic, Ukrainian forces might be operating Patriot systems in shifts to ensure intercepts of incoming attacks on 24/7 basis.

 

[VkdIndian]

No system is fool proof.
S400 has to have vulnerabilities that can be exploited. S400 was designed and developed some time back. Since then many new weapon systems have been developed, that may have newer capabilities that might be beyond S400s envelope due to any number of reasons.

Any country with even the most advanced AD system, can’t sit back and assume that they have achieved total deterrence. They have to keep evaluating the evolving threat environment and keep on re-working on the best employment philosophy.

Just because S400 was destroyed in Ukraine, doesn’t mean that other nations can also achieve a similar feat.

S400 is a very capable system. India isn’t dependent just on S400, but has worked on multiple systems, with overlapping ranges and capabilities. Any adversary would have a task at hand to penetrate it.

Moreover, does Paksiatn have access to kind of systems that Ukraine has? Do they have patriot or a similar system?

 

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Russia has fired swarms of Iranian kamikaze drones against Ukraine. But nobody has fired swarms in the numers of 100 or even close to that. Including Turkey. And talking about launching hundreds of drones needs good coordination.

Iranian Kamikaze Drone is dumb without RF seeker or IR Camera and flying with low speed

and Russia has limited Iranian Drones .... and no any other cost effective system for swarm attack


On the other hand
Turkish Kamikkaze Drones are smart and with RF seeker or IR Camera

even SIMSEK , SUPER SIMSEK Kamikaze Drones speed of mach 0.85 with turbojet engine
and SIMSEK will have speed of mach 1,4 with new turbojet engine


GOKSUNGUR JEMSAH supersonic fake decoy Drone is coming

Weight of less than 100 kg
Range of 300 km

it will be used to deceive and confuse the enemy air defense systems during the battle, and to consume their missiles by waking them early and causing them to fire incorrectly

low-cost decoy Drone for Suppression of Enemy Air Defense (SEAD) missions

American MALD
İsraeli TALD-ITALD
Turkish GOKSUNGUR

Good luck to Enemy Air Defense Systems , They will need it



and never forget about that
10 SCALP Cruise Missiles = $10-15 million

100 SIMSEK Kamikaze Drones = $5 million


and Turkiye is not buying ,,,, Turkiye is producing as many as We wants

 

[Foinikas]

S400 has the longest kill record in the world
( S400 shot down Ukranian SU-27 over Kiev from Belarus 150+ km away )

I wouldn't call a Ukrainian Su-27 a big success.

And again,if the information is true. Russians have made a lot of big claims with little proof.

and Russia has limited Iranian Drones .... and no any other cost effective system for swarm attack

Limited? They bought over 2,000 kamikaze drones from Iran and started licence-building it.

On the other hand
Turkish Kamikkaze Drones are smart and with RF seeker or IR Camera

even SIMSEK , SUPER SIMSEK Kamikaze Drones speed of mach 0.85 with turbojet engine

Then SIMSEK is not as cheap as you claim it is. You can't have both super-cheap AND quality with RF seekers and IR cameras.

and Turkiye is not buying ,,,, Turkiye is producing as many as We wants

Iran and Russia are producing as many as they want too. What's your point?

 

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NOT in one by one fashion but multiple like a swarm.

Not swarm

Russia doesnt have cost effective weapons similar to Turkish SIMSEK , KARGI , KEMANKES , TRLG-230 , KUZGUN-TJ , CAKIR

ISKENDER Ballistic Missile = $3 million
KALIBR Cruise Missile = $6,5 million
KINZHAL Ballistic Missile = $10 million

Turkish SIMSEK Kamikaze Drone or TRLG-230 supersonic Missile = $50.000

Pathetic Russian armed forces?

Russian forces bombed and ruined several Syrian cities and defeated Syrian rebels in different sectors of the country. Russian forces have made it possible for Assad regime to RECLAIM numerous sectors of Syria.

YES ... Pathetic Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine

NO UCAVs
NO smart Kamikaze Drones with RF seeker or IR Camera
NO modern Tactical Ballistic Missile wiith range of 150 km .. cost effectiive
NO laser guided MLRS
NO Mini Cruise Missile
NO long range RF , IIR guided munitiions for Figther Jets

even NO long range Weapon Detection Radar similar to 100 km Turkish Aselsan STR Radar to detect HIMARS


Russia is nuclear super power but Russia lacks modern military systems in Ukraine


Turkish Armed Forces already would destroy Ukranian Forces
even 500 TB-2 , ANKA , AKINCI UCAVs would be enough

 

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Limited? They bought over 2,000 kamikaze drones from Iran and started licence-building it.

İf Russia has 2.000 Kamikaze Drones now

then attack on Ukranian PATRIOTs .. Ukraine doesnt have even 200 PATRIOT Missiles now

Iran and Russia are producing as many as they want too. What's your point?

I am talking about Greek PATRIOTs vs Turkish Armed Forces

Greece is buying with limited numbers
Turkiye is producing its own weapons

 

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I wouldn't call a Ukrainian Su-27 a big success.

NATO's PATRIOT or SAMP-T can not hit even 1970 model SU-17 from 150+ km away

Russian S400 shot down SU-27 from 150+ km away
and can hit even from 250-380 km , if it flying at high altitude as like Bomber , AWACS

 

[Foinikas]

İf Russia has 2.000 Kamikaze Drones now

then attack on Ukranian PATRIOTs .. Ukraine doesnt have even 200 PATRIOT Missiles now

Only in your mind does a country attack on a target or group of targets with such a swarm attack. And you don't know how many Patriot missiles Ukraine has right now.

I am talking about Greek PATRIOTs vs Turkish Armed Forces

Greece is buying with limited numbers
Turkiye is producing its own weapons

What does Greece have to do with the subject again? We're talking about Ukraine,then you jumped and talked with an Indian and somehow it's about Greece again.

NATO's PATRIOT or SAMP-T can not hit even 1970 model SU-17 from 150+ km away

Why would they need to hit a Su-17 from 150+ km away?

Why would they need to shoot any aircraft from such a distance?

and can hit even from 250-380 km , if it flying at high altitude as like Bomber , AWACS

And like I've told you before,the range of a missile isn't always the best attribute. There are a lot of different components and stats that play a more important role. Like the technology and quality of the seeker,the payload and way of detonation,the manuverability,the resistance to counter-measures etc.

Turkish Armed Forces already would destroy Ukranian Forces
even 500 TB-2 , ANKA , AKINCI UCAVs would be enough

So again,all your posts come down to this:

"Turkey can do it better"

 

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What does Greece have to do with the subject again? We're talking about Ukraine,then you jumped and talked with an Indian and somehow it's about Greece again.

We are talkin about S400 and PATRIOT

LEGEND highly praised PATRIOT against the Russians
And Greece has PATRIOT against the Turks

Only in your mind does a country attack on a target or group of targets with such a swarm attack. And you don't know how many Patriot missiles Ukraine has right now.

28 Kamikaze Drones and Cruise Missiles were enough to hit oil facilities in Saudia Arabia


In 2018 , USA , The UK , France fired over 100 cruise missiles on Syria in the night



On the night of 15-16 May, Russia spent at least US$119.08 million on another large-scale attack on Ukraine.

Details: At night, the Russians fired 18 missiles and 9 Drones at Ukraine:

• six Kinzhal aerial ballistic missiles;
• nine Kalibr cruise missiles;
• three ballistic/anti-aircraft missiles (type to be specified);
• six Iranian-made Shahed-136/131 attack UAVs;
• three Orlan and SuperCam UAVs.

Night attack on Ukraine cost Russia at least US$120 million

On the night of 15-16 May, Russia spent at least US$119.08 million on another large-scale attack on Ukraine.

www.pravda.com.ua

Turkiye can produce 1.000 -1.500 SIMSEK , KEMANKES , KUZgUN-TJ , CAKIR , IHA-230 for $120 million

Russia fired 18 missiles and 9 Drones on Ukraine for $120 million

Turkiye can fire 100 SIMSEK , IHA-230 for swarm attack $5 million

 

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Why would they need to hit a Su-17 from 150+ km away?

Why would they need to shoot any aircraft from such a distance?

Why ?

To avoid getting missiles on their heads


if PATRIOT and SAMP-T can not stop even AKINCI UCAVs from 150 km away
Then bye bye .. to fire IHA-230 , CAKIR , KEMANKES , KUZGUN-TJ missiles from safe distance

 

[Foinikas]

28 Kamikaze Drones and Cruise Missiles were enough to hit oil facilities in Saudia Arabia

Tell us something...not just me,the entire forum as well. Legend just explained to you (again)in detail,what was the flaw in the Saudi Air Defence.

How difficult is it for you to understand it? And let's say you understand it,why do you choose to ignore it? Why do you go back to repeating the same thing?

Turkiye can produce 1.000 -1.500 SIMSEK , KEMANKES , KUZgUN-TJ , CAKIR , IHA-230 for $120 million

Russia fired 18 missiles and 9 Drones on Ukraine for $120 million

Turkiye can fire 100 SIMSEK , IHA-230 for swarm attack $5 million

All that is highly theoretical. You haven't produced it.

You imagine Turkey attempting swarm attacks of 100 Simsek on a target or group of targets. When this hasn't been managed by any country at war. Neither USA,neither Russia,neither Iran,neither Ukraine.

And yet,here you are,spamming posts about how Turkey "could" do perform such swarm attacks and not just that,but talking as if it's so easy for Turkey to do it and win a war.

 

[LeGenD]

Not swarm

Patriot system defeated a major Russian strike package on 29-05-23 that came in two waves within a span of 24 hours. Related information in here, here, and here. The scale of this attack is underappreciated and should be pieced together for analysis. Ukraine might provide details at some point.

How US Patriot defences are reducing ‘unstoppable’ Russian missiles to shrapnel

A Ukrainian colonel revealed authorities were on the brink of evacuating the capital last December due to airstrikes

www.thetimes.co.uk

Not swarm

Russia doesnt have cost effective weapons similar to Turkish SIMSEK , KARGI , KEMANKES , TRLG-230 , KUZGUN-TJ , CAKIR

KALIBR Cruise Missile = $1 million
KINZHAL Ballistic Missile = $10 million

Turkish SIMSEK Kamikaze Drone or TRLG-230 supersonic Missile = $50.000

FYI

Iran trades 2,000 Shahed kamikaze drones for $40 million for 24 Su-35 fighters worth $2 billion

Iran may receive a batch of Su-35 fighters from Russia in the near future to replace the Shahed kamikaze drones. Moreover, we are talking about the planes for Egypt. The sale was disrupted by the United States.

gagadget.com

Cheap UAVs Exact High Costs | Air & Space Forces Magazine

Russia’s use of inexpensive Iranian drones in Ukraine imposes a costly bill for defending against low-cost weapons.

www.airandspaceforces.com

Russia Boosts Production And Displays New ‘Swarming’ Version Of Lancet-3 Kamikaze Drone

A Russian news report details plans to scale up production of a loitering munition, describes a new swarming version - and comments on Forbes account of the weapon.

www.forbes.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/08/17/russia-iran-drone-shahed-alabuga/

Shahed-131 cost = $7000
Shahed-136 cost = $20000
Lancet-3 cost = $35000

YES ... Pathetic Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine

NO UCAVs
NO smart Kamikaze Drones with RF seeker or IR Camera
NO modern Tactical Ballistic Missile wiith 150 km .. cost effectiive
NO laser guided MLRS
NO Mini Cruise Missile
NO long range RF , IIR guided munitiions for Figther Jets

even NO long range Weapon Detection Radar similar to 100 km Turkish Aselsan STR Radar


Russia is nuclear super power but Russia lacks in modern military systems in Ukraine


Turkish Armed Forces already would destroy Ukranian Forces
even 500 TB-2 , ANKA , AKINCI UCAVs would be enoug

You need to understand how Russian war machine is built and what are its immediate needs.

1. Russia is developing a variety of UCAVs. Russia has used following UCAVs in Ukraine:

• Eleron T-16
• Forpost-RU
• Korsar
• Mohajer-6
• Orion
• Orlan-10

2. Shahed-131, Shahed-136, and Lancet-3 = each is equipped with advanced components and guidance systems. These are dubbed kamikaze drones for reason. Lancet-3 can engage moving targets as well.

3. Like Turkish KHAN? Russia does not have immediate need for this type when it has developed Iskander class and Kinzhal.

4. Ukraine received TRLG-230 from Turkey - what is the impact?

5. Like Turkish Bayraktar Kemankes? Russia does not have immediate need for this type when it has developed long range cruise missiles.

Bayraktar Kemankes is launched from UAV that can be detected and shot down in well-defended spaces. Case in point: Saudi Air Force shot down scores of UAV.

6. Russian jet fighters have used R-37M LRAAM to counter Ukrainian jet fighters in war. Ukrainian pilots have come up with tactics to reduce losses in view of this threat but it is still a threat.

7. Russian radar systems do not have a range problem.

Sure....