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Lockheed Martin and Rosoboronexport in race to work on India’s Second Aircraft Carrier

interesting, I didn't know lockheed martin were into shipbuilding as well.

The Lockheed Shipbuilding and Construction Company is currently under contract for the Freedom Class LCS:

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It's previous shipbuilding experience includes the Knox Class Frigate:

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Trenton and Cleveland Class LPDs:

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The Polar Class Icebreaker:

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And the Whidbey Island Class LSD/Command ship:

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how & why please explain sirji :pop:

The E-2D is the world's only carrier-born counter-stealth early warning aircraft. Nothing else like it exists in any other nation, though both Russia and China may be keen on developing such a system for their upcoming carriers:

The U.S. Navy's Secret Counter-Stealth Weapon Could Be Hiding in Plain Sight - USNI News

This has no peer competitor.
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Its only competitors were never inducted into service

the YAK 44. It was cancelled in 1993.
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And the AN-71 - a modified version, the AN-75, would have been used on Russian Carriers:

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The Lockheed Shipbuilding and Construction Company is currently under contract for the Freedom Class LCS:

1330068381167476264.jpg


It's previous shipbuilding experience includes the Knox Class Frigate:

US_Navy_090423-N-2821G-389_The_Mexican_navy_Knox-class_frigate_ARM_Mina_%28F-214%29_sails_in_formation_with_maritime_forces_from_Argentina%2C_Brazil%2C_Canada%2C_Chile%2C_Colombia%2C_Ecuador%2C_Germany%2C_Mexico%2C_Peru%2C_U.S._and_Uruguay_off_the.jpg


Trenton and Cleveland Class LPDs:

1024px-USS_Trenton_LPD-14_fleetweek2004.jpg


The Polar Class Icebreaker:

Polar_class_icebreakers.jpg


And the Whidbey Island Class LSD/Command ship:

1024px-USS_Whidbey_Island001.jpg




The E-2D is the world's only carrier-born counter-stealth early warning aircraft. Nothing else like it exists in any other nation, though both Russia and China may be keen on developing such a system for their upcoming carriers:

The U.S. Navy's Secret Counter-Stealth Weapon Could Be Hiding in Plain Sight - USNI News

This has no peer competitor.
Second-E-2D-Advanced-Hawkeye-Next-Phase-of-Flight-Testing.JPG


Its only competitor was never inducted into service - the YAK 44. It was cancelled in 1993.

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thanks sirji for endorsing it with proofs what i wanted or say thanks again thing is we do have threat of enemy stealth assets in owr area with chines surface fleet and their 5th gen fighters which sooner than later will be parked on their aircraft carriers they are building so we need E2D/E more than anything else"neuclear powerred ACs"
 
For the first time, the size and specifications of the Indian Navy’s future aircraft carrier have been officially acknowledged. The navy has written to at least four major global shipbuilders, asking for proposals to help in designing a 65,000 tonne carrier that would be about 300 metres long.

The letter of request, issued by the Indian Navy on Wednesday, specifies the carrier should be capable of speeds greater than 30 knots (56 km per hour). However, it is silent on whether it prefers nuclear propulsion, or conventional diesel or gas turbines.

The navy’s letter states the carrier will embark 30-35 fixed wing combat aircraft, and about 20 rotary wing aircraft (helicopters). It would have a catapult to launch fixed wing aircraft, which would make the carrier a “catapult launched but arrested landing”, or CATOBAR vessel. For India’s naval aviators, this would involve a major change from a long tradition of getting airborne from a “ski-jump” at the end of the flight deck.

While not mandating an “electromagnetic aircraft launch systems”, the navy has specifically mentioned it as an option. The United States Navy’s latest carrier, the 100,000-tonne USS Gerald R Ford, which will be commissioned next year, is the world’s only current carrier featuring EMALS. This uses an electromagnetic rail gun to accelerate aircraft to take-off velocity, instead of the conventional steam-driven catapults that have been used for 60 years.

The navy’s letter has gone out to US company, Lockheed Martin; UK company, BAE Systems, French shipbuilder, DCNS, and Rosoboronexport, the Russian export umbrella agency.

The letter pertains to the vessel that is commonly referred to as the “indigenous aircraft carrier number 2”, or IAC-2. Currently, Cochin Shipyard Ltd (CSL) is building IAC-1, a 40,000-tonne carrier named INS Vikrant, which is scheduled to be commissioned in 2018.

INS Viraat will supplement INS Vikramaditya, the 45,000-tonne carrier bought from Russia, which was formerly named the Gorshkov. Another, older carrier, INS Viraat, is expected to be retired by the end of this decade.

For years, the biggest guessing game around the Indian Navy’s future force has been: Will IAC-2 be a massive, EMALS-equipped, nuclear-powered super carrier, developed in partnership with America? So far, admirals have been close-mouthed, saying the process of formulating specifications is underway.

Now, the guessing game is already shifting to: Which shipbuilder does the navy’s specification favour? The US remains the leading horse, not just because it is the world’s most experienced and technologically advanced carrier operator with more aircraft carriers in service than the rest of the world combined.

There is also a US-India “working group”, constituted during US President Barack Obama’s visit to India in January, specifically to promote cooperation in aircraft carrier technology. New Delhi and Washington are known to have discussed EMALS under the rubric of the Defence Trade and Technology Initiative.

Yet, there could be others in the race. Vendors point out that the specifications framed bear similarities to the French aircraft carrier, Charles de Gaulle (in terms of speed and size, though not in displacement), and the British Queen Elizabeth II (in terms of displacement and size, though not in speed).

Surprisingly, the navy’s letter allows the foreign vendors just one week to respond, demanding a reply by July 22. The reply is required to contain costing elements along with the proposal.

“This involves evaluating a consultative, hand-holding process that will last at least a decade. There is no way anyone can produce a detailed cost proposal in such a short time,” complains a senior executive with one of the foreign vendors.

Experts have begun evaluating the implications of the navy’s specifications. It is pointed out that asking for 25-30 fighters and 20 helicopters on a 65,000 tonne, 300-metre-long carrier would limit the size of the aircraft on the ship. If heavy fighters are to be a part of the ship’s complement, it would need to be bigger; if the MiG-29K is retained, it would need a foldable nose to occupy less hangar space.

It is also pointed out that specifying a speed in excess of 30 knots eliminates certain forms of propulsion, notably an all-electric drive, which is environment friendly and economical.

Ajay Shukla reporting sir.
 
thanks sirji for endorsing it with proofs what i wanted or say thanks again thing is we do have threat of enemy stealth assets in owr area with chines surface fleet and their 5th gen fighters which sooner than later will be parked on their aircraft carriers they are building so we need E2D/E more than anything else"neuclear powerred ACs"

And you can be assured that any E-2D India procures will have operational experience tracking actual stealth aircraft:

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Any buyer of the E-2D can be damn sure that when the US says it's counter-stealth, they mean it and have the tracks to prove it.

And it really doesn't matter if India goes with France, the UK, Russia or US on carrier design, the E-2D will still be available - it's already been cleared for sale to India:

US clears Hawkeye E-2D aircraft for India

India Considers Advanced Hawkeye for AEW&C Need

The F-35's availability may be jeopardy, but whether or not India even wants the F-35 is a discussion for a different thread.
 
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And you can be assured that any E-2D India procures will have operational experience tracking actual stealth aircraft:

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Any buyer of the E-2D can be damn sure that when the US says it's counter-stealth, they mean it and have the tracks to prove it.

And it really doesn't matter if India goes with France, the UK, Russia or US on carrier design, the E-2D will still be available - it's already been cleared for sale to India

The F-35's availability may be jeopardy, but whether or not India even wants the F-35 is a discussion for a different thread.
well i might not be as well informed as you seem to be but take it written if IN is going to USA then make no mistake it will be for EMALS+E2D/E+F35 anything short than that wont make a cut with onli exeption bieng F35 if USA is reluctant to ease "strings attached to it "

in short all this talk about a neuclear powerred 65K tonnes AC is to get E2D/E & EMALS all else is nagociable
 
and thats what is latest mood in IN and they want EMALS, E2D/E and F35(but onli if price is right) and if soemhow americans get the cake we might see a new love affair with IAF also :D

Looking forward to Nuclear EMAL ACC with F-35IN.

As far as the price is concerned, Americans know how to make money. One way or another, they'll get us.
 
Its Going to be QE Class Design with 36 Rafale M and 16 SH-70 Sea Hawk.

Navy will also order 3 more Kolkata class Destroyers apart from 3 additional Talwar class Frigates, and will lease a 3rd SSN from Russia to complete the CBG.
and the entire Carrier Battle Group will end up costing the tax payer 20 Billion USD.

Namo will give his Thank you/ good bye Speech from its deck in year 2029

And thats my prediction for this.

The 20 Billion USD, which the navy would have spent on the CBG, would have been better utilized in purchase of 12 Minesweepers, 76 ASW Helis and 4 additional SSKs, WHILE AIRFORCE COULD probably have gotten another 63 Rafales with the remaining money
 
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I highly doubt Lockheed is going to build a capital ship for another country.

Requirement is for design consultancy.

In my opinion, building the QE class in India would be the cheapest choice, since UK is building 2 of them, and they have already done all the R&D
 
Fack it ... Let's have two Vishal :D one from US F35 and other from Russians PakFa N matter solved :) Let see who got the best design ...
 
Requirement is for design consultancy.

In my opinion, building the QE class in India would be the cheapest choice, since UK is building 2 of them, and they have already done all the R&D

Seems like the best choice to me too. I'm sure they'd be happy to build you one.

Edit: Plus you can actually walk up and see it versus some Russian sketches.
 
well i might not be as well informed as you seem to be but take it written if IN is going to USA then make no mistake it will be for EMALS+E2D/E+F35 anything short than that wont make a cut with onli exeption bieng F35 if USA is reluctant to ease "strings attached to it "

in short all this talk about a neuclear powerred 65K tonnes AC is to get E2D/E & EMALS all else is nagociable

I would say, stop beating round the bush. We have a fifth generation program with the FGFA with the Russians. And our own AMCA. The AMCA is going to take time and will take 10 years to come online.

We need a naval fighter which is operational and has the ability to deliver the goods. We have been participating with the USN for more time, than, any other navy in the world.

Go in for a g2g. Get the EMALS, E2D, F35C-IN (an Indian version). We already have the P8I. Add the UAV. Close the deal and get to be the second most powerful navy in these waters with close ties to the world's most powerful navy. The objective should be to not just protect the IOR, Arabian Sea and the Bay of Bengal. It should be to dominate it.

INS Vikrant, INS Vishal and INS Vikramaditya. With 4 LPDs. Oh and let's not forget the Ospreys. If we can get the Osprey to do the E2D, briliant.
 
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