Liberal Brigade on IOK issue

[Path-Finder]

For context, this law allows the Military to detain and hold properties for an undetermined amount of time, it allows them to set up detention centres and authority to detain suspects among other powers, according to the Dawn article.

So, yes, this is indeed undemocratic. And to an extent, indeed comparable to the powers granted to Indian Military in Kashmir.

please do expand on it further?

Superb.....So Human Rights violations are justified if done in your territory.....shows how much we care about people.
All this empathy with Kashmiris seems to be a joke.

8 million people are under siege for 50+ days. No food water or any access to know how they are!

This is the same thing? Is the entire KPK under curfew with no access?

 

[Imran Khan]

Not every liberal sir

 

[Haris Ali2140]

That would have been hypocrisy if Kashmir issue was only about human rights which it isn't. Kashmir issue is about the right of self determination which has been denied to the Kashmiri people. The issue will remain unresolved even if fundamental human rights are granted. Restoration of article 370 or removal of AFSPA and PSA will not effect the disputed status of that region. It will still be the longest standing dispute ever since the inception of the United Nations. Gross human rights violations in IOK are a direct consequence of the military occupation and violation of UN resolutions. Moving ahead, as far as human rights violations are concerned, they are condemnable regardless of the nationality of the perpetrators. In fact, the extrajudicial detentions of individuals by the ISI and subsequent infliction of torture upon the detainees was one of the many reasons of radicalism and militancy in Pakistan. Sadly, it has been given a legal cover in KPK.

The Human rights violations carried out by our forces are nothing in comparison to what the Indians are doing in Kashmir. Still, what you have said is a stupid thing to say. Take this as a positive criticism.

I wanted to write further explaining the matter fully but was running late for college so I wrote what i could muster up. The guy is on an agenda. Yesterday a channel closed down due to finances and this guy was relating it with media freedom.

 

[WarKa DaNG]

So true

 

[SIPRA]

Using the word "liberal" for such scum, who promote and provide support to the narratives of the enemies of Pakistan, is factually wrong. Would Mullah Fuzla/Diesel be also called a "liberal" then?

 

[Path-Finder]

Not every liberal sir

Using the word "liberal" for such scum, who promote and provide support to the narratives of the enemies of Pakistan, is factually wrong. Would Mullah Fuzla/Diesel be also called a "liberal" then?

The amount of Pakistani liberals I have met they have the following in common; pooja of the west, deep down unhappy with being Muslim and at times self loathing coconuts.

Then they bash Pakistan as per narrative of the enemies too. Proud of it as well! NEVER met a liberal from india who does these things vis a vis their faith and nation!!

 

[SIPRA]

The amount of Pakistani liberals I have met they have the following in common; pooja of the west, deep down unhappy with being Muslim and at times self loathing coconuts.

Then they bash Pakistan as per narrative of the enemies too. Proud of it as well! NEVER met a liberal from india who does these things vis a vis their faith and nation!!

What I meant, was that this term "liberal" is not being used, in it's proper sense, in Pakistan.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

The amount of Pakistani liberals I have met they have the following in common; pooja of the west, deep down unhappy with being Muslim and at times self loathing coconuts.

Then they bash Pakistan as per narrative of the enemies too. Proud of it as well! NEVER met a liberal from india who does these things vis a vis their faith and nation!!

What I meant, was that this term "liberal" is not being used, in it's proper sense, in Pakistan.

Bash Islam and army and you are a certified liberal according to Liberal Brigade of Islamic Republic of Islam.

 

[VCheng]

Bash Islam and army and you are a certified liberal according to Liberal Brigade of Islamic Republic of Islam.

And going by that standard, what would be the definition for a "true" patriot?

 

[masterchief_mirza]

For context, this law allows the Military to detain and hold properties for an undetermined amount of time, it allows them to set up detention centres and authority to detain suspects among other powers, according to the Dawn article.

So, yes, this is indeed undemocratic. And to an extent, indeed comparable to the powers granted to Indian Military in Kashmir.

Kashmir is disputed territory. India uses these laws to crush popular revolt and desire for self determination. They say it is a "war on terror", just as many western nations and also Pakistan have similar laws in place. But the western nations and Pakistan are on the same page here - they use such laws for security and in KPK there is no popular revolt against Pakistan. India suppresses normal democratic process - not terrorism - using these laws. In fact, India's war on "terror" has always been a war against Kashmiri self determination.

Just ask the last democratically elected state government of Kashmir for their opinion on these laws - once they are freed from house arrest and allowed access to the press.

Last I heard, kpk has a state government, a governor and chief minister.

Does IO Kashmir have such an executive branch, that Kashmiris are allowed to complain about any of Delhi's actions or even be represented at all? Abdullah senior was screaming about the death of democratic process in "my India" when they finally shut him up.

So how exactly are security measures taken by nations all around the world with functioning and representative governments comparable to the actions of an occupying army on the background of suppression of all democratic representation comparable?

Very risky to lower oneself to the level of certain false flagging "New Zealanders" knocking around on these pages. They enjoy the trappings of living in a democratic society where there is representation for all, and yet they expect Kashmiris to live in a big open air prison.

Again, all Pakistanis enjoy representation at a state level. All Indians do not. So, how can anyone compare the validity of security laws in these two nations? KPK can have its voice heard. Kashmir is silenced.

 

[Lincoln]

Kashmir is disputed territory. India uses these laws to crush popular revolt and desire for self determination. They say it is a "war on terror", just as many western nations and also Pakistan have similar laws in place. But the western nations and Pakistan are on the same page here - they use such laws for security and in KPK there is no popular revolt against Pakistan. India suppresses normal democratic process - not terrorism - using these laws. In fact, India's war on "terror" has always been a war against Kashmiri self determination.

Just ask the last democratically elected state government of Kashmir for their opinion on these laws - once they are freed from house arrest and allowed access to the press.

Last I heard, kpk has a state government, a governor and chief minister.

Does IO Kashmir have such an executive branch, that Kashmiris are allowed to complain about any of Delhi's actions or even be represented at all? Abdullah senior was screaming about the death of democratic process in "my India" when they finally shut him up.

So how exactly are security measures taken by nations all around the world with functioning and representative governments comparable to the actions of an occupying army on the background of suppression of all democratic representation comparable?

Very risky to lower oneself to the level of certain false flagging "New Zealanders" knocking around on these pages. They enjoy the trappings of living in a democratic society where there is representation for all, and yet they expect Kashmiris to live in a big open air prison.

Again, all Pakistanis enjoy representation at a state level. All Indians do not. So, how can anyone compare the validity of security laws in these two nations? KPK can have its voice heard. Kashmir is silenced.

1. No one is going to give heed to what people says anyways. Media blackout has been in progress on many general protests in the country.

2. It's integral territory, that doesn't justify this action.

3. Comparable to Kaahmir because of powers given to Military (detention centres, authority to withhold suspects, which country gives this allowance, guaranteed no court), maybe Khan's government is too weak.

Kashmir is disputed territory. India uses these laws to crush popular revolt and desire for self determination. They say it is a "war on terror", just as many western nations and also Pakistan have similar laws in place. But the western nations and Pakistan are on the same page here - they use such laws for security and in KPK there is no popular revolt against Pakistan. India suppresses normal democratic process - not terrorism - using these laws. In fact, India's war on "terror" has always been a war against Kashmiri self determination.

Just ask the last democratically elected state government of Kashmir for their opinion on these laws - once they are freed from house arrest and allowed access to the press.

Last I heard, kpk has a state government, a governor and chief minister.

Does IO Kashmir have such an executive branch, that Kashmiris are allowed to complain about any of Delhi's actions or even be represented at all? Abdullah senior was screaming about the death of democratic process in "my India" when they finally shut him up.

So how exactly are security measures taken by nations all around the world with functioning and representative governments comparable to the actions of an occupying army on the background of suppression of all democratic representation comparable?

Very risky to lower oneself to the level of certain false flagging "New Zealanders" knocking around on these pages. They enjoy the trappings of living in a democratic society where there is representation for all, and yet they expect Kashmiris to live in a big open air prison.

Again, all Pakistanis enjoy representation at a state level. All Indians do not. So, how can anyone compare the validity of security laws in these two nations? KPK can have its voice heard. Kashmir is silenced.

Doesn't matter if there is any popular revolt. This action is undemocratic, and shows that the military is tightening its hold to deal with critics, media.

 

[Mrc]

My blood boils on these pseudo librals