Kill the apostate - 10th grade textbook of Saudi Arabia

[Zarvan]

Tell me more about Zakat. Kindly enlighten us about the percentage and how you came to that number.

It all came from sunnah mr and and zakat is different on different things for agricultural its different and for others its different and all this come from Hadees Mr and also method of Salah and Hajj and other stuff every detail is given by RASOOL SAW and even the Quran we know its again HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW told that this is Quran and this is my Sunnah and Hadees so stop being hypocrite and reject Quran too you didn't hear it directly from ALLAH he did and he told you this is Quran so when you reject Hadees you automatically reject Quran too

 

[Arabian Legend]

Let's say we agree that they are not mentioned at all. Now, if Allah SWT, knowingly omitted to mention one "specific" way to perform any ritual, doesn't mean that we as humans have the right to force any other human being to follow a certain way to accomplish that.

Allah SWT knows all, and in his divine wisdom he showed us leniency to decide how we as individuals perform these rituals, not the other way round that a certain sect takes over the divine duties, and dictates it's wishes, under threat of a sword.

Grow up dude. It's not middle ages anymore.

The Islamic laws are matter of state authority to be implemented/ enforced not to be carried by individuals. What I was referring to is that the punishment of apostasy is not mentioned in the Quran just like the rules of praying and other obligations are not mentioned. Got my point or I need to repeat myself?

 

[Hyperion]

Mr. Mr. Mr. You can't even make coherent sentences. Tell me something, do you suffer from any sort of mental disorders, because your posts make me disoriented.

Now may the wrath of Allah fall upon your stools. May they get frozen in your intestine.

It all came from sunnah mr and and zakat is different on different things for agricultural its different and for others its different and all this come from Hadees Mr and also method of Salah and Hajj and other stuff every detail is given by RASOOL SAW and even the Quran we know its again HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW told that this is Quran and this is my Sunnah and Hadees so stop being hypocrite and reject Quran too you didn't hear it directly from ALLAH he did and he told you this is Quran so when you reject Hadees you automatically reject Quran too

 

[M. Sarmad]

@Zarvan

You and your sect deny Quran . So don`t lie

 

[Arabian Legend]

Quran Alone - How to Perform the Contact Prayers (Salat)

Quran is not a puzzle. Im waiting for your to respond to my earlier post.

 

[Zarvan]

@Zarvan

You and your sect are the deniers of Quran . So don`t lie

You are the Kharji who deny Quran and Sunnat you reject orders of ALLAH when he told you to follow RASOOL SAW you deny him and you are such big hypocrite that you claim to believe in Quran which is also false but the Quran you know is again told you by RASOOL SAW that this is Quran so you basically reject not only Hadees but Quran too and you can't prove any method of Salah or Zakat or Hajj or who to kill and who not to kill in Jehad and Roza and other rules from Hadees

 

[M. Sarmad]

Quran is not a puzzle. Im waiting for your to respond to my earlier post.

A simple question for you . When was Hadith compiled ?

You are the Kharji who deny Quran and Sunnat you reject orders of ALLAH when he told you to follow RASOOL SAW you deny him and you are such big hypocrite that you claim to believe in Quran which is also false but the Quran you know is again told you by RASOOL SAW that this is Quran so you basically reject not only Hadees but Quran too and you can't prove any method of Salah or Zakat or Hajj or who to kill and who not to kill in Jehad and Roza and other rules from Hadees

I could have answered this , but I know you are a dumbass , I am not wasting my time on you .

 

[Zarvan]

Quran is not a puzzle. Im waiting for your to respond to my earlier post.

This coward will never respond Mr funny thing is the Quran they and we know was told by RASOOL SAW that this is the Quran so basically they deny Quran too

 

[Arabian Legend]

Dude, you are forgetting the reasoning behind nazool of Quran, and it's core tenants. For me, all Abrahamic religions meant only one thing. Peace for mankind.

For peace to prevail laws were revealed in all the Abrahamic religions.

 

[SQ8]

Read History genius it was Kharjis who first denied Hadees and they were refuted by Sahabas it was Kharjis who came with the slogan that Quran is enough for us and now a days of deniers of Hadees are followers of same Kharji group and @Azlan Haider Deny Quran too genius because its again Hadees through which you know that its Quran Mr because its HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW who has told which is Quran and Which is Sunnah stop being biggest hypocrite and secondly tell me method of Salah and Zakat and Hajj and Roza and other systems and also that in Jihad we can't kill women and children and cut trees not haram civilians @Oscar @Arabian Legend @Yzd Khalifa @al-Hasani

There is a difference in how the Quran was revealed and how the Prophet gave advice. You cannot equate the two. However, it is also there that the Sunnah of the Prophet was recorded by the MANY Sahaba that were with him.. and the methods of prayer and Hajj were propagated throughout.

There are generally accepted and correlated histories on how the Hadiath were compiled.


On the flipside.. there are those who forged Hadiath.. (still happens today in quick arguments or to make money).
I do not take this site as Authentic.. but agree with this
Al-Hadith, Analysis and an Overview | Books on Islam and Muslims | Al-Islam.org
The Forged (Fabricated) Hadiths
1. History of Fabrication:

a. During Bani Umayya's Rule.

b. During Bani Al-Abbas's Rule, in particular with the advent of the schools of thought in Islam.

2. By the year 200 H.: Total of 600,000 Hadiths were in existence, out of which 408,324 Hadith were fabricated Hadiths by 620 forgers.2

3. Most Notorious Forgers: Ibn Jundub, Abu Bukhtari, Ibn Basheer, Abdullah Al-Ansaari, Al-Sindi. Ibn Au'jaa professed before he was hanged that he alone had forged 4,000 Hadiths.3

4. Reason to Fabricate:

a. Financial incentive by the Khalifas, for example Mu'awiya awarded Ibn Jundub and others hundreds of thousands of dinars for coming forth with Hadiths that suited him.4

b. As a means of self-promotion in the government.

c. In a drive to enhance a particular school of thought.

d. Fanaticism for a school of thought at the expense of others.5

5. Al-Qassassoon (The story-tellers): Their operation and major role in the public.


Clearly , there is a problem of discerning authenticity of the Hadiath. Such a problem does not lie with the Quran.. which is why any Hadiath MUST be correlated with the Quran.

 

[Zarvan]

A simple question for you . When was Hadith compiled ?



I could have answered this , but I know you are a dumbass , I am not wasting my time on you

It was compiled in life time of RASOOL SAW many wrote it and all others learnt it orally and transferred to others and acted upon them as full part of Islam and told to others so they act upon them too but How do you know the Quran you have is the Quran ? who told you that you Kharji

 

[Hyperion]

Excellent. Now we are getting somewhere. Points:

1. They are not mentioned in Quran. (Good you agree)

Now question. Why aren't they mentioned? Was Allah SWT so busy that he now-za-billah forgot? Simple answer: No he left it for us to not to get too wound up in semantics.

2. Enforced by the State?

For that to happen, there are a whole lotta rules for the legitimacy of the state. Do you think, Saudi has the moral standing to implement even one such verdict, or interpret the Divine decree.

With this I conclude my Fatwa for today.

The Islamic laws are matter of state authority to be implemented/ enforced not to be carried by individuals. What I was referring to is that the punishment of apostasy is not mentioned in the Quran just like the rules of praying and other obligations are not mentioned. Got my point or I need to repeat myself?

 

[Arabian Legend]

A simple question for you . When was Hadith compiled ?

You failed to answer my previous question and now you come asking me one. Once you give an answer to my question will certainly answer yours.

 

[Armstrong]

There is a difference in how the Quran......with the Quran.

Son, someday I'll teach you the essence of Islam - You are not ready yet to be my Gadiii-Nasheeen !

 

[SQ8]

This is pacifism. Islam and other Abrahamic religions are not. Stoning for example is mentioned in the old testament unless you consider Moses and Jesus to be a harbingers of death and destruction !

Not pacifist perhaps, but also not cruel. It depends on the interpretation of the Quran on how you take it. How Rajm is mentioned, where it is.. and under what conditions.

Son, someday I'll teach you the essence of Islam - You are not ready yet to be my Gadiii-Nasheeen !

How will a Bhatta teach me anything.. you need to first be taught by @Hyperion but I suggest you wear Oud for that session.