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Kashmir - Past & Present, How our Forefathers Sacrificed so much against India

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For every 5 Kashmiri citizens there is an Indian officer! IOK is a police state! There are curfews there, over 1000 000+ innocent Kashmiris died there by the barbaric Indian army!

In Pakistani controlled Kashmir, people are free and have no worries about being abused and killed by the police. There are NO freedom or seperatist rallies, and no genocide of the people! Kashmiris are Pakistanis, keep your Indian propaganda OUT!

Kashmiris have always fought alongside the Pakistani army! While they have fought against the Indian invaders!

Kashmiris want Pakistan, and I have Kashmiri roots!

Kashmiris are Pakistanis, not Indians!

Kashmiris are Muslims, not Hindus!

Long live Pakistan, long live Kashmir, we are the same people of the same nation and religion!


WOW !! What a myopic view of Humanity you have.

First came humans on this earth. Then some of them started living in Kashmir.Later some of them embraced Islam. Thats how I know the society everywhere has evolved. First we all were humans, then we became Americans, Africans, asians etc. Furthur we became French, Indians, Chinese, Russians etc. Then, as if it was not enough, we became christians, Hindus, Muslims etc. and somewhere in between we forgot that once we used to be humans, and we still are.

Anyways, I dont want to get myself involved in this ****** battle of who wants Kashmir on PDF. But please, try to accept that the world is not only about Muslims, others are also humans. Whether it is a muslim or a kashmiri Hindu, when a human dies of bullet or bomb in kashmir - India and Pakistan are EQUALLY responsible for the death.
I just hope you will understand....
 
lol, You people claim to be the "worlds biggest democracy", but yet you won't allow Kashmiris choose if they want to be a part of Pakistan or india and instead you use brute forces through 700,000 troops to oppress the innocent people?

Yes we do..and no we wont as the constitution of our democracy does not allow state residents to vote away a part of our country..
 
You are ridiculous!


Kashmiris are Pakistanis, not Indians, and have always been so (Kashmiris have always held pro-Pakistan rallies within IOK, but NEVER a pro-Indian one, and in Azad Kashmir the Kashmiris there would die for Pakistan).


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Just curious why you don't want to give AJK people their share of water ?

Regards

ISLAMABAD: The filling of Mangla Dam’s additional 2.33 MAF (million acre feet) storage capacity built at a cost of more than Rs90 billion and construction of cheap hydropower projects of about 4,500MW are in jeopardy because of non-implementation of the dam’s up-raising agreement and three provinces’ opposition to allocation of water for Azad Kashmir.


Background discussions with government officials and documents available with Dawn suggest that the controversy has resulted in cancellation of a scheduled visit of President Asif Ali Zardari for inauguration of the Mangla dam up-raising project at the eleventh hour when AJK Prime Minister Raja Farooq Haider and his government threatened to boycott the ceremony and declined to receive the president at Mangla. (IMG:style_emoticons/PDFEmotionIconsv10/LOLANI.GIF)

The officials said the Minister for Kashmir Affairs and Gilgit-Baltistan, Manzoor Watoo, had to make hectic consultations to persuade the AJK government not to create a scene during the president’s visit to Muzaffarabad on Jan 5.

A hurriedly-formed committee comprising AJK President Raja Zulfiqar, Chief Secretary Khalid Sultan, federal Minister for Water and Power Raja Pervaiz Ashraf and member planning Gen Zubair met at Mangla recently and decided to take up the matter with all chief ministers.

“The delay in water allocation to AJK has created unrest and mistrust in the minds of people and may hamper the filling of the reservoir and resettlement of people dislocated by the project,” said a summary sent to Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani by the ministry of water and power. The ministry sought an executive order to get the Mangla agreement implemented.

The non-allocation of water under the federal government’s binding agreements could also severely affect the implementation of seven hydropower projects of 4,500MW, a senior official said.

The projects include 969MW Neelum-Jhelum, 1,100MW Kohala, 700MW Mahel, 800MW Karot, 600MW Azad Pattan and 180MW Gulpur and 135MW Kotli.

The AJK government has sought a meagre allocation of 614 cusecs of water for drinking, irrigation and fishery needs. The ministries of water and power and law and the Punjab government have supported the demand on the basis of agreements with the AJK government and from other legal standpoints.

The Indus River System Authority (Irsa) and the governments of Sindh, Balochistan and NWFP have opposed the water allocation on the ground that Indus system waters stood allocated to the provinces and these could not be shared with AJK under the Irsa Act. WTF? So what does the K in Pakistan's name stand for?

The people displaced by the construction of Mangla Dam in the 1960s and the up-raising project have also threatened to stop the filling of the dam if the resettlement issue is not resolved.

The ministry of law has supported the allocation of water for AJK, as calculated by an independent expert committee comprising Nespak and ministries of Kashmir affairs and water and power from the legal point of view. The law ministry says: “It flows from the obligation of the government of Pakistan under the June 27, 2003, agreement. The obligation has become operative with the completion of the project.”

The AJK prime minister, the officials said, had already told Prime Minister Gilani that neither Irsa, nor any federating unit could decide about water rights and uses in AJK. He said that Irsa had no jurisdiction over AJK and that AJK was not represented in Irsa.

The AJK government has also informed the federal government that the filling of the dam would not be allowed until final resolution of pending issues, including water allocation and resettlement of affected people.

In a recent meeting with Prime Minister Gilani, the AJK premier was reported to have protested over the stance taken by the three provinces. He said: “Water is not coming from the Arabian Sea and flowing towards AJK to necessitate permission from Sindh and Balochistan. Rather it is the other way round. The AJK, being an upper riparian, has prior rights under all international water conventions and agreements with the federal government which should be honoured by the centre.”

The officials said the water and power minister had written to the chief ministers of Sindh, Balochistan and NWFP, asking them to allow allocation of water for AJK because it was mandatory under the 2003 tripartite agreement between the government of Pakistan, AJK and Wapda. It also cited a 1904 agreement between the then Darbar government of the state of Kashmir and the Punjab administration.

According to the officials, the ministry has requested the four chief ministers to attend a meeting of all stakeholders. A date for the meeting would be fixed in consultation with the chief ministers, the added.

A spokesman for the water and power ministry said the commitment made with the people and the government of Azad Kashmir at the time of implementation of the project was one of the prime responsibilities of the federal government and it fully supported the stance taken by the governments of AJK and Punjab for allocation of water.

About the position taken by the three provinces, he said a broad-based consensus could be developed through negotiations.


The spokesman said it was a responsibility of the federal government to keep all federating units on board to resolve all disputes in a fair manner.



http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-c...pardy-220-za-07
 
A Little insight into the tall claims made by the so called world's largest democracy. Do you suppose these young boys get their pocket money from the ISI. ???


 
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Omg, i'm so ******* tired of this zaid hamid jackass, it really shows how retarded most pakistanis are, considering they actually believe all of his Bullshit. Instead of fixing the country, he constantly suggest "invading india", which is follwed by the usual "inshallah" or "pakistan zindabad" by all the illiterate jackasses in the crowd. I always knew that Indians were very Jingoistic, but Pakistanis are catching up very fast :hitwall:
 
@Always Neutral

Wooo a sophisticated attempt to Hijack the thread.Don't try to Derail the Discussion.If you wanna discuss this thing make another thread it won't cost you anything.

And Besides Between Brothers these small issues come up at least we have not murdered 100,000 innocent Kashmiris.
 
@Always Neutral

Wooo a sophisticated attempt to Hijack the thread.Don't try to Derail the Discussion.If you wanna discuss this thing make another thread it won't cost you anything.

And Besides Between Brothers these small issues come up at least we have not murdered 100,000 innocent Kashmiris.

Well when it comes to Kashmir India Pakistan are as blame worthy as each other.

Keep all this brother jingoism for the un-educated.

Regards
 
Now Truth about so called "Azad kashmir"

 
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These pakistani journalists were killed later just like after protests in other cities of PAKISTAN.
90000 ppl were also killed and they took out rallies and threw stones at more then half a million occuping forces.Burnt flags and shouted slogans claiming to be india?:rofl::rofl::hitwall:
 
Keep all this brother jingoism for the un-educated.

If you are Indian then it does not matter what you say.

Or if you are British.Then Man you will never understand this "brother" thing because Europeans only see money and Monetary stuff.
 
If you are Indian then it does not matter what you say.

Or if you are British.Then Man you will never understand this "brother" thing because Europeans only see money and Monetary stuff.

My nationality does not matter but for too long we believed the crap about Kashmir depending which side of border you heard it from. The EU report was a eye opener which shows that both india and pakistan have no real intention of giving Kashmiri's what they really want.

Regards
 
This video is Classical Indian Propaganda.

If you may know what these Kashmir media were not alone or unique there were protests all over Pakistan.

And if you see out of your blind propaganda eyes that they were not throwing stones,Police was not firing Tear Gas Shells and Army was not present.Can you Control INDIAN Kashmir Without Army?With Police Alone.Indian occupied Kashmir has the highest civilian soldier ratio in the world even more than N.Korea.
 
My nationality does not matter but for too long we believed the crap about Kashmir depending which side of border you heard it from.

As long as you ppl have your interests with India you will hide from the truth.

The EU report was a eye opener which shows that both india and pakistan have no real intention of giving Kashmiri's what they really want.

What is this EU???I though UN was responsible for all this Mess.
 

Pretty disturbing footage. I wonder what is the context and what became of the detained kids. a few of them were bleeding and being indiscriminately beaten. Is this the secular India trying to find a place in the world amongst powers or is this some sh!tty 3rd world country occupying and terrorizing innocent people? Both countries are to blame for the lack of any settlement or progress but India deserves a special status of "***hole" for treating the Kashmiri's this way and then pretending to give a **** about Palestinians and Balochis.
 
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