Kargil : Indian Army's operation "Vijay" was ineffective

[Windjammer]

Pakistan has kashmir ?

or siachen ?

is it even on siachen ?

Can Indians even hoist their flag in down town Srinagar or its all still staged inside a secure stadium.

 

[GumNaam]

Because Pakistan won in Kargil?
As explained very nicely by your retired Lt Gen.

Kargil war was a total disaster: Majeed Malik

IslamabadFormer federal minister Lt-Gen Abdul Majeed Malik, who is an eyewitness to major happenings that took place during the tenure of the second Nawaz Sharif government, says the Kargil...

www.thenews.com.pk

Or as perceived by the international sources:-

Kargil War

www.cs.mcgill.ca

I am sure they are all wrong.

Because Pakistan won in Kargil?
As explained very nicely by your retired Lt Gen.

Kargil war was a total disaster: Majeed Malik

IslamabadFormer federal minister Lt-Gen Abdul Majeed Malik, who is an eyewitness to major happenings that took place during the tenure of the second Nawaz Sharif government, says the Kargil...

www.thenews.com.pk

Or as perceived by the international sources:-

Kargil War

www.cs.mcgill.ca

I am sure they are all wrong.

a pic maybe worth a thousand words but a video is a straight up bitchslap!

 

[VkdIndian]

Since video is the flavour of the day, let’s see what a Lt Gen has to say about Kargil.

 

[Tornado23]

If you quote a dubious source then whatever you say has no value and would be of no value.

Don’t try to spin a weave to propagate your narrative.

Pakistan lost in Kargil comprehensively. It was a military as as a diplomatic fiasco.


A victorious force never hides its martyrs. It took many years for Pakistan to identify its martyrs. Disgraceful behaviour of your military leaders.
You left scores of your fallen behind. Disgraceful again.

India Buries Soldiers That Pakistan Won't Claim (Published 1999)

India is burying unknown soldiers killed in Kashmir from invasion force Pakistan disavows; has offered bodies to Pakistan, which has rejected them, holding hundreds of invaders dug into mountaintop positions just inside Indian-controlled Kashmir are Muslim holy warriors; much of rest of world...

www.nytimes.com

You Ex-PM confirmed death of more than 4000 soldiers. So your story of 453 has no weightage.


It is as simple as that Pakistan lost its face completely in Kargil. It tried to launch an operation and was evicted with death of more than 4000 soldiers.
International as well as Pakistani experts have all accepted it.

I have posted multiple and diverse sources to confirm the same.

Your posting some BS stories wouldn’t change these facts.

Pakistan achieved its objective of loosing its face completely in front of international audience. It became a laughing stock.
Kargil precipitated a coup in your country.

A brief analysis by a Pakistani general.

Kargil war was a total disaster: Majeed Malik

IslamabadFormer federal minister Lt-Gen Abdul Majeed Malik, who is an eyewitness to major happenings that took place during the tenure of the second Nawaz Sharif government, says the Kargil...

www.thenews.com.pk

Yes, Pakistan did achieve all its objectives.
But only for blind bats filed with jingoism and propaganda.

I just have to link these articles

Disclosing Kargil casualties would affect morale of troops: CIC

The disclosure of information related to casualties suffered by army during Kargil war and number of terrorists killed cannot be made public, Central Information Commission has held in an order 14 years after the war.

zeenews.india.com

Pakistan still occupies key Drass point

Praveen Swami DRASS, Aug. 10 PAKISTAN soldiers perched at peak 5,353 metres, on the strategic Marpo La Ridge had a grandstand view of this year's Vijay Diwas celebrations, marking the

www.thehindubusinessline.com

Not convinced we won Kargil: Lt Gen Kishan Pal to NDTV

Not convinced we won Kargil: Lt Gen Kishan Pal to NDTV

www.ndtv.com

rediff.com: Pakistan occupying six Indian peaks, claims MP

m.rediff.com

I will say it again. HOW was op vijay a success?

 

[VkdIndian]

I will say it again. HOW was op vijay a success?

It was a success because Pakistan lost that war.

The side that looses is called a looser and the other side is called the winner.

Hence, it was a success.

@Huffal you can go round and round in circles but the fact remains one and only one, which I have stated earlier.

Interview of Mushahid Hussain, a minister in the government during Kargil fiasco of Pakistan.
Listen to it and see for yourself the story of lies, deceit, treachery and backstabbing. More you open your mouth, more of it will be posted here to remind you of that failure.

 

[Signalian]

The best factors of Kargil Ops were secrecy of plan with in own quarters and movement of troops which nobody noticed.

 

[Tornado23]

It was a success because Pakistan lost that war.

The side that looses is called a looser and the other side is called the winner.

Hence, it was a success.

@Huffal you can go round and round in circles but the fact remains one and only one, which I have stated earlier.

Interview of Mushahid Hussain, a minister in the government during Kargil fiasco of Pakistan.
Listen to it and see for yourself the story of lies, deceit, treachery and backstabbing. More you open your mouth, more of it will be posted here to remind you of that failure.

Again you avoiding the question.
So I will repeat it again

HOW was operation vijay a success?

 

[VkdIndian]

Again you avoiding the question.
So I will repeat it again

HOW was operation vijay a success?

I see you avoiding all the facts about Kargil from renowned people across the world.

Op Vijay was a great success because Pakistan was defeated comprehensively as acknowledged by multitude of experts.

Have you listened to the interview of Mushahid Hussain? What does he say? Are you a bigger expert than him?

I have posted videos of your own generals accepting that Kargil was a big failure.

Are you saying that you are a bigger expert then them?

You are incorrigible. But it wouldn’t work.

The best factors of Kargil Ops were secrecy of plan with in own quarters and movement of troops which nobody noticed.

Yup. It was nice work by the planners.

They probably took the secrecy a little too far by keeping other arms in the dark.

 

[Tornado23]

I see you avoiding all the facts about Kargil from renowned people across the world.

Op Vijay was a great success because Pakistan was defeated comprehensively as acknowledged by multitude of experts.

Have you listened to the interview of Mushahid Hussain? What does he say? Are you a bigger expert than him?

I have posted videos of your own generals accepting that Kargil was a big failure.

Are you saying that you are a bigger expert then them?

You are incorrigible. But it wouldn’t work.


Yup. It was nice work by the planners.

They probably took the secrecy a little too far by keeping other arms in the dark.

Again you are avoiding the question.

You haven't said how op vijay was a success. You just keep repeating it was a success because pakistan lost. How did Pakistan lose?

Answer me with simple yes or no answers

Was operation vijay launched to regain the peaks occupied by Pakistan during the kargil war?

Was it not also launched to expel pakistani prescense from the area?

Did India regain ALL the peaks occupied by Pak?

Did India expel pak prescense from the area?

 

[VkdIndian]

Again you are avoiding the question.

You too.

Answer me with simple yes or no answers

Answer in simple no or yes if Pakistan lost or not? If you think otherwise then please elaborate on the expert comments from your country.

Was it not also launched to expel pakistani prescense from the area?

Did India regain ALL the peaks occupied by Pak?

Did India expel pak prescense from the area?

Beating around the bush and cherry picking has not resulted in a win in a war.

My answer is yes.
Pakistan lost the Kargil war comprehensively amd decisively, militarily as well as diplomatically.

Running away seems to be your national sport.

Wouldn’t win you awar.

 

[Signalian]

Yup. It was nice work by the planners.

They probably took the secrecy a little too far by keeping other arms in the dark.

Not just from other arms but also from other formations. Strange enough, even USA or India didn't detect mobilization or movement through satellites or other monitoring/surveillance/intel mechanisms.

This speaks a lot.

 

[Tornado23]

You too.

Answer in simple no or yes if Pakistan lost or not? If you think otherwise then please elaborate on the expert comments from your country.


Beating around the bush and cherry picking has not resulted in a win in a war.

My answer is yes.
Pakistan lost the Kargil war comprehensively amd decisively, militarily as well as diplomatically.

Running away seems to be your national sport.

Wouldn’t win you awar.

I am not avoiding any questions

I am the one asking the questions. Not you.

As per your answers, since you answered yes, how have you managed to regain all the peaks and expel pakistani military when 4 out of the 8 peaks are still being held and patrolled today by the Pakistani military?

Wouldn't half of the objective not being completed mean its a failure?

 

[VkdIndian]

Not just from other arms but also from other formations. Strange enough, even USA or India didn't detect mobilization or movement through satellites or other monitoring/surveillance/intel mechanisms.

Yes. It was called an intel failure and the committee instituted to analyse Kargil recommended far reaching changes in intel gathering and dissemination.

I am the one asking the questions. Not you.

Your lordship may think so. But I disagree.

Wouldn't half of the objective not being completed mean its a failure?

I wouldn’t allow you to create any narrative whatsoever that might give you any indication of success whatsoever. Because it was not a success for you.

You failed. And you failed miserably. You can kiss Parveen Sahwney’s a** for more videos and analysis to help you in your narrative. He is no one to anyone except Pakistani audience.

But the facts are what your civilian officials say, your top brass says and the world says. Your avoiding the statements made by multitude of your own shows that your head is buried deep into sand. Keep it there and stay away from meaningful discussions.

Your pathetic propaganda wouldn’t work.Period.

 

[Tornado23]

Yes. It was called an intel failure and the committee instituted to analyse Kargil recommended far reaching changes in intel gathering and dissemination.

Your lordship may think so. [emoji1787][emoji1787] But I disagree.

I wouldn’t allow you to create any narrative whatsoever that might give you any indication of success whatsoever. Because it was not a success for you.

You failed. And you failed miserably. You can kiss Parveen Sahwney’s a** for more videos and analysis to help you in your narrative. He is no one to anyone except Pakistani audience.

But the facts are what your civilian officials say, your top brass says and the world says. Your avoiding the statements made by multitude of your own shows that your head is buried deep into sand. Keep it there and stay away from meaningful discussions.

Your pathetic propaganda wouldn’t work.Period.

I see I have caused you too much pain.

Let me cause more

How is completing half your objective the same as completing all of it? By that logic operation grand slam was a total success.

 

[VkdIndian]

I see I have caused you too much pain.

Yes. I am in great pain. Due to your stupidity, incessant lying and an attempt to change historical facts for the purpose of propaganda.

Let me cause more

How is completing half your objective the same as completing all of it? By that logic operation grand slam was a total success.

Your stupidity isn’t going to stop. And I have enough patience for trolls and those who are incessant liars.
Pakistan lost big time in Kargil and that’s why it was a resounding win for India.

How come you are ignoring all the experts who have accepted that it was a resounding defeat for Pakistan? Because it doesn’t sound good to you? I get it. Not issues. It will sink in eventually.