Jordan buys 60 German SPAAG surplus

[Penguin]

@Penguin

So, Dutch YPR765 - which predate the FNSS ACV300 and ACV-S tracked vehicles - also had buoyancy aid like that forward (but weighed only 14 tons, like ACV-15). AIFV - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And yes, those are thrusters, I agree. M113 and AIFV are propelled by their tracks alone and do not need them. But e.g. Arisgator has.

I remain sceptical

The base ACV-19 vehicle is 18 tons (without AAA turret!), like the equally amphib BEA/FMC MTLV.
Maximum Combat Weight 20t (i.e. loaded) ACV-S Tracked Armoured Combat Vehicle - Army Technology

How many 30 tonners do you know that actually float? M2/3 Bradley certainly doesn't anymore. See also K21 KNGIV K21 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia which seems to have difficulty with buoyancy at 30 tons.

But perhaps it doesn't weigh 30 tons....?

By VMSB

FNSS Savunma Sistemleri AŞ of Turkey has recently presented an amphibious logistics version of its ACV-19 (Armored Combat Vehicle) family of tracked armoured vehicles. The vehicle also designated ZLA (Zirhli Lojistik Araci) is equipped with a NBC protection system, 24V electric system, climate control system, ballistic and mine protection systems. For self-protection, it is armed with a manned or remote weapon station armed with 12.7mm heavy machine gun and eight smoke grenade dischargers.

The vehicle has a combat weight of 18,500 kg, length of 6.380 m, width of 2.946 m, payload of 6,000 kg, volume capacity of 6.2 m3, top speed of 65 km/h and top amphibious speed of 11 km/h, and maximum range of 490 km. It is powered by a Detroit Diesel Corporation 6V53T diesel engine with 350 hp coupled to an Allison Transmission X200-4 fully automatic transmission.

As for mission systems, ZLA include a HIAB Cargotec 172R hydraulic handling crane with a loading capacity of 1,600 kg and a hydraulic operated HZ 090 roof-mounted pulling winch from Rotzler GmbH + Co. KG which has a maximum towing capacity of 10, 197 kg at a maximum distance of 65 m.

ACV 19 family of tracked armoured vehicles is proposed in several variant including troop carrier, low level air defence system (ex. with Aselsan Elektronik Sanayi ve Ticaret AŞ Korkut twin 35 mm gun system), casualty/medical evacuation, 120 mm mobile mortar carrier (ex. with TDA Armements 2R2M system), command post and infantry fighting vehicle.

Compared to ACV-15 family of tracked armoured vehicles, ACV-19 is longer (8 road wheels), has heavy duty final drives, includes more aggressive suspension and offers more volume under armor and more payload capacity.

Saudi Arabia has purchased the command post version of ACV-19 and the Royal Malaysian Army operates the 120 mm mortar carrier variant (with 2R2M system) of ACV-19. ACV-19 was previously designated ACV-S (Stretched). ACV-15 multi-role vehicle (formerly ACV-300) is in service with the armies of Turkey, United Arab Emirates (UAE), Malaysia and the Philippines

DEFESA Global

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Turkish Korkut is something like the Skyshield from Swiss & German Mantis and it´s MOBILE !!!.

Tunguska & Gepard are only against Aircraft & Heli´s.

They cannot Protect you from example Artillery-Shells.

Wake up and see the Difference.

Those are old Systems ,especially the Gepard ,maybe we will see the German Mantis on a Leo1 Chassis or Trucks or Puma.

Actually only Turkey has Presented a Mobile Version of this Solution.

Fantastic, I had no idea that this system is such a revolutionary one. Just brilliant.

 

[BronzePlaque]

@Penguin, just out of curiosity, are you in the military or are you just a military enthusiast? Your contribution here is always good man..Congrats

 

[madmusti]

@Penguin

There is a big Difference between the Turkish Ones and Dutch YPR765´s.

And they all come from USA ,so where is the Dutch ???

The solution of the K21:

Maybe we see this solution next ?

The Russian 9K22 Tunguska based too on a IFV-Chassis and not Tank.

 

[Penguin]

ACV-15 is very similar to YPR-756 and KIFV (clearly, there are also many differences e.g. in engine, but the base vehicle is pretty similar in concept). ACV-19 is a stetched ACV-15, just like the MTVL is a stretched M113. Germans have converted m113s from 5 to 36 roadwheel versions. There is nothing magical about that. You end up with a 18-20 ton base vehicle. If you add 10 tons of wheight, what happens to amphibious/swimming capability?

If you ask what the Dutch added to the US AIFV then you shoul also ask what Turkey added to the YPR later on, or South Korea for that matter.

 

[Penguin]

@Penguin, just out of curiosity, are you in the military or are you just a military enthusiast? Your contribution here is always good man..Congrats

I remain a civilian ;-)

 

[madmusti]

And Bradley is a Heavy ACV.

All from USA.

 

[Penguin]

And Bradley is a Heavy ACV.

All from USA.

In 1967, under contract to the US Army, the then Ordnance Division of the FMC Corporation (today BAE Systems, Ground Systems Division) built two MICVs under the designation XM765. These were based on the proven M113 APC modified to incorporate firing ports and a fully enclosed one-person weapon station.

Without the DUtch interest and launnch order for 880 of the vehicles in 1975, there would have only been the two XM765 prototypes. Some changes were made at the request of the Dutch government, including shifting the weapon station to the right side and moving the commander behind the driver. The Netherlands ordered 2,079, of which 815 were produced locally under license. The Philippines also received 45 vehicles in 1979 (hardly a sufficient quantity to warrent moving from prototype to series production). In 1979, the Netherlands neighbour Belgium placed an order for 514 AIFV-B (to be produced locally), following the Dutch lead.

Turkey selected the AIFV [only] in 1989, after a competition involving the Alvis Vickers Warrior IFV and United Defense LP Armoured Infantry Fighting Vehicle. The total value of that contract, for 1,698 vehicles, was US$1.076 billion. The first 285 hulls were produced in Belgium, the remaining vehicles were produced in Turkey.A little way into the production run, with 200 vehicles completed the Turkish AIFV specification was updated to include a more powerful power pack developing 300 horsepower, an Allison X-200-4 transmission and hydrostatic steering from the M113A3. During the production run, a number of changes were made to the armament of the vehicle including different turret packages, and power packs.

n January 1993, the Royal Netherlands Army announced substantial cuts including the phasing out of 336 of the AIFV (YPR 765) infantry fighting vehicles and 201 YPR 765 PRATs with the TOW ATGW system. In addition, all M113 series vehicles would be phased out of service. The YPR vehicle will be replaced by 184 CV-9035 vehicles (from the Swedish company Hägglunds), 400 reconnaissance type Fennek and 200 Boxer vehicles.

In mid-1994, the Netherlands stated that Egypt was to purchase a total of 611 AIFVs and variants under a contract worth USD150 million. All of these were delivered by the end of 1996. In early 2005 it was stated that another 431 YPR 765 series APCs were to be provided by the Netherlands, with first deliveries in mid-2005. This brought the total Egyptian fleet to 1,042 units.

Army Guide - YPR 765, Tracked armoured personnel carrier
AIFV - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Penguin]

Actually only Turkey has Presented a Mobile Version of this Solution.

Really ? Oerlikon Skyranger Mobile Air Defence System

Army Guide - Skyshield 35/1000, Anti-aircraft system

http://www.mjsys.co.kr/product/eng/weapon-system.html

OMG.... looks like even a Dutch version might come about?! Don't those radars look like Thales Netherlands Flycatcher mk 2 components?

India:

At the same time, both the Army and IAF have zeroed in on the Rheinmetall Defence-built Skyranger 35mm gun, which can be mounted on lightweight wheeled or tracked armored vehicles. For the IAF, the Skyranger turret will be mounted on a TATA Motors-built 8 x 8 high-mobility vehicle, while the Army variant will comprise the Skyranger turret being integrated with the hull of a BMP-2 infantry combat vehicle

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.nl/2011/05/plugging-air-defence-gaps-with-ground.html

 

[madmusti]

Really ? Oerlikon Skyranger Mobile Air Defence System

Army Guide - Skyshield 35/1000, Anti-aircraft system

OMG.... looks like even a Dutch version might come about?! Don't those radars look like Thales Netherlands Flycatcher mk 2 components?

Those are new and not used.

And nothing is the same like Aselsans version ,it had 2 Cannons and it´s tracked and it has too like all others 2 Vehicles,who all need.



Oour Version is finished ,but i don´t see that Mobile Versions like on the Boxer are not finished.

Does it takes long time to find this ?

 

[madmusti]

@Penguin

We can too make the Aselsan SPAAG Korkut system like Tunguska with Rockets & AA-Gun´s (like Mantis).

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

India:

TRISHUL: Plugging Air-Defence Gaps With Ground-Based AAA

The source is a blog from 2011 written by an idiot presun gupta... also no skyrangers were bought... and tht image is a PS.

 

[madmusti]

 

[Penguin]

Seriously. what are you guys trying to prove?

 

[Penguin]

@Penguin

We can too make the Aselsan SPAAG Korkut system like Tunguska with Rockets & AA-Gun´s (like Mantis).

Didn't say you can't. Did respond to claim Turkey makes the only mobile system of this kind (=not true)