Jordan buys 60 German SPAAG surplus

[madmusti]

@cabatli_53

It's better no doubt, but it must be pricey which we can't afford. I think getting 60 Flakpanzer Gepard systems and 22 40mm Bofors L/70 guns for 21 million Euros is a great deal. I think buying 60 Pantsir-S1 would cost 600-700$ million, although some sources say we got undisclosed numbers of it.

How much does that system cost BTW?

We don´t know it but 7 ACV-300 Hundred cost like 1 German Puma.

So it will Cost-Effective


Our Version can Swim

 

[Juice]

We don´t know it but 7 ACV-300 Hundred cost like 1 German Puma.

So it will Cost-Effective


Our Version can Swim

Gepards (like Leopards) can swim.

 

[mehmeTcc]

So it will Cost-Effective


Our Version can Swim

Yeah, they definitely need a swimming SPAAG system.

 

[BordoEnes]

Gepards (like Leopards) can swim.

Gepards and Leopard arent amphibious like Korkut, I think he ment that but confused it with swimming

 

[Juice]

Gepards and Leopard arent amphibious like Korkut, I think he ment that but confused it with swimming

If he meant fording or wading....they gotta kit...

 

[madmusti]

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

 

[Super Falcon]

well looks good tanguska is not bad i love russian ant aircraft system alot

 

[Penguin]

Dutch Cheetah air defence guns sold to Jordan

The Netherlands and Jordan have struck a €21 million deal that will see 60 surplus Cheetah air defence systems being transferred to the Jordanian armed forces.

The agreement also includes the delivery of Cheetah spare parts, some 350,000 rounds of surplus ammunition and technical documentation. In addition, five Leopard 1 armoured recovery vehicles will be handed over to Jordan together with the hulls of 12 non-refurbished PRTL air defence systems and two Leopard 1 main battle tanks (MBT), which will be used for spare parts.

Eleven Thales Nederland Flycatcher Mk1 mobile radar fire control systems and 22 40mm Bofors L/70 guns are also included in the deal.

The Dutch Ministry of Defence will provide assistance with training and deliveries will commence in 2014.

The Cheetah is the Dutch variant of the German Gepard twin 35mm self-propelled anti-aircraft gun (SPAAG) and is based on a slightly-modified Leopard 1 tank chassis.

Produced by Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW), the mobile air defence system is equipped with independent search and tracking radars, a search radar (S-band for the German vehicle and X-band for the Netherlands vehicle) installed at the rear of the turret, and a tracking radar (Ku band for the German vehicle and X/Ka band for the Netherlands) on the front of the turret.

The Dutch MoD acquired five pre-production and 95 production PRTLs, the last of which was delivered in 1979. In 1995 it was decided to refurbish 60 PRTLs, the first of which was redelivered in 1998. The upgrade programme was a bilateral effort with the German army concurrently refurbishing 147 of their Gepards.

The upgraded air defence gun was known as Cheetah in Dutch military service and its service life was planned to continue until 2015. However, due to a realignment of Dutch ground based air defence forces, the Cheetahs were withdrawn from service in 2007 and stored under the auspices of the Dutch Defence Material Organisation.

Germany phased out its last Gepards in 2010. Romania received 43 former German army Gepards in 2004 and Chile bought 30 in 2008. The latter deal was later cancelled due to high overhaul costs. In late 2012, another 36 upgraded Gepards were sold to Brazil.

Dutch Cheetah air defence guns sold to Jordan - News - Shephard

Jordanië koopt overtollige tanks - NOS Nieuws

Pics show GERMAN ARMY Gepards, not Dutch Cheetah's (PRTLs), which have different radars.

Gepard

Cheetah

Together

Note the similarity of Cheetah's and Flycatcher's radars

Compare, in turn, to Goalkeeper CIWS

.... you'ld think it family!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqgqCAFf56k

 

[madooxno9]

what a waste...it could have been spent on betterment of the people....

See who is talking citizen of a nation which is ready to eat Grass to have nukes

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

@Penguin

Thank you very much:

here are two variants of Gepard in service; the Dutch has a different radar installation.

Germany

Search radar: S band, 15 km range
Tracking radar: Ku band, 15 km range
Laser rangefinder

Netherlands

Search radar: X band, 15 km range
Tracking radar: X/Ka band, 13 km range
The Dutch version was officially called the PRTL (PantserRupsTegenLuchtdoelen or "Armoured Tracked Anti-Aircraft"), pronounced as "pruttle" by the soldiers. The Dutch series version was made public through a photograph of a vehicle from a C-Company, the first to be equipped with the new weapon. Traditionally all Dutch vehicles in a company have names beginning with the company designation letter and this vehicle happened to have the individual name Cheetah painted in bold type on its turret. Inevitably the international press assumed "Cheetah" was the Dutch name for their Gepard version and this mistake found its way into most armour publications on the subject. In 2000 the Dutch military authorities, tired of constantly having to explain all this and considering "pruttle" was hardly a martial name anyway, conformed themselves to common error and made "Cheetah" the official designation, when the system was upgraded.

 

[Penguin]

We don´t know it but 7 ACV-300 Hundred cost like 1 German Puma.

So it will Cost-Effective


Our Version can Swim

I'm sure the basic ACV30 can swim, much like the 18ton stretched-M113 based EIFV ( Egyptian Infantry Fighting Vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) and the Mobile Tactical Vehicle Light (MTVL) ( BAE Systems M113 Vehicle-MTVL Light ).

However, the twin 35mm gun vehicle and the radar vehicle have a combat weight of 30 tonnes while the C2 vehicle weighs 25.5 tonnes....
IDEF 2013: Aselsan unveils new SP air defence system | Armada

The ACV-S chassis is a stretched version of the ACV 300 vehicle currently in service for Turkish Armed Forces , Malaysian Armed Forces, Philippines and United Arab Emirates. The ACV-S technology is a combination of ACV 300 and the Mobile Tactical Vehicle Light (MTVL). Combat Weight 18,000 kg

FNSS
ACV-S Tracked Armoured Combat Vehicle - Army Technology

I wouldn't be so sure the SPAAG remains fully amphibious (even if the base vehicle is....)

 

[madmusti]

@Penguin

 

[flamer84]

Dutch Cheetah air defence guns sold to Jordan

The Netherlands and Jordan have struck a €21 million deal that will see 60 surplus Cheetah air defence systems being transferred to the Jordanian armed forces.


Dutch Cheetah air defence guns sold to Jordan - News - Shephard

Jordanië koopt overtollige tanks - NOS Nieuws

The second picture are german Gepards in the romanian army,it's the parade of the 1st December(Romania national day).Many in the country complain that the Gepard is an obsolete system and we threw money away,i personally like them though.

 

[madmusti]

Turkish Korkut is something like the Skyshield from Swiss & German Mantis and it´s MOBILE !!!.

Tunguska & Gepard are only against Aircraft & Heli´s.

They cannot Protect you from example Artillery-Shells.

Wake up and see the Difference.

Those are old Systems ,especially the Gepard ,maybe we will see the German Mantis on a Leo1 Chassis or Trucks or Puma.

Actually only Turkey has Presented a Mobile Version of this Solution.