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German University Excludes Chinese Students for Fear of Spying

These are fake news, not court decisions.
I doubt anyone care what You think on these issues. They care more about the behaviour of Chinese.
I don't think it will do China any harm, and I don't think Germany will enforce it for long.
I doubt they will change their position as long as China keeps sending a-holes as ambassadors to foreign countries.
 
Not sure about Germany.

I know for a fact that the US started banning Chinese National (not just student) in late 2010s by changing the Security Clearance rule. Used to be you can still obtain security clearance even if you are a foreign national with a waiver, you will need 2 (or 3, I forgot) TS clearance holder (or 1 above the clearance you want to get) to sponsor you and you can get security clearance even if you are non-Citizens.

Then this happen


In 2016, a year after graduation, Ji enlisted in the US Army Reserves under a program in which foreign nationals can be recruited if their skills are considered “vital to the national interest.”

Now they stop some national from applying one of those waivers and thus basically barring them from any sensitive project. I personally sponsored a few foreign national and luckily they didn't betray the US.....lol
 
the key issue is they do not respect the idea of intellectual property

but thats what commie is, thieves, take from those that have
 
Chinese are not banned because of their ”race”. They are banned because it is believed that many Chinese students have a secret mission to spy for the Chinese government.




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Well I believe what Germans and Americans say.
 
I doubt anyone care what You think on these issues. They care more about the behaviour of Chinese.

I doubt they will change their position as long as China keeps sending a-holes as ambassadors to foreign countries.

The Chinese will teach the Germans how to be nice.
 

The University of Erlangen-Nuremberg will become the first university in Germany to deny admission to certain students from China, reports Süddeutsche Zeitung. The ban will apply to Ph.D. students who have received scholarships from the China Scholarship Council (CSC), citing fears that information from any joint research conducted involving Chinese students could eventually end up in the hands of the Chinese government.

The China Scholarship Council is the primary vehicle through which the Chinese government awards scholarships. An investigation conducted jointly by Deutsche Welle and the German platform CORRECTIV claims that Chinese students in Germany are placed under repressive rules by the Chinese state and that this is particularly true of young scientists and academics who come on scholarships from the CSC. Copies of several CSC contracts obtained by the investigative team state that the students “shall not engage in activities that harm the interests and security of the motherland.” They also have to report to the Chinese embassy or the nearest Chinese consulate within ten days of their arrival in Germany and maintain “frequent contact.” The students are required to provide reports, which can include obtaining information on third parties.

Although this in itself cannot be considered espionage, the University of Erlangen-Nuremberg has chosen to be cautious and has cited an audit by the Federal Office of Economics and Export Control (BAFA) for taking these drastic steps. BAFA is responsible for making the final decision on whether German goods are permitted for export, especially products that can be used for military purposes. The agency warned the university that it has to comply with its rules, which is why the university created its own export control office. “All researchers and research institutions must be aware of their individual responsibility of compliance with export controls,” states the university’s website, referring to the export of laboratory and test equipment, the transfer of emails, data carriers, cloud storage, or even the transfer of knowledge and expertise.

The university emphasised that the ban would only apply to future applicants, not to its current Chinese students, and to students who are solely financed by the China Scholarship Council. Other German universities are also pondering a possible ban, according to Süddeutsche Zeitung. At least 30 German universities have welcomed CSC scholars from China.

Universities in other European countries have also expressed concerns about the CSC. The Delft University of Technology in the Netherlands is refusing to take candidates linked with the Seven Sons of National Defence, an association of seven universities with connections to the Chinese army. “Experts warn of espionage, undesirable knowledge transfer and the new close links that Chinese universities have with the defence industry,” the university’s campus newspaper said.

Other Dutch universities are also reluctant to accept Chinese scholarship Ph.D. students, and the Ministry of Education vowed to investigate the risks of the CSC scholarship. In April, the Dutch intelligence agency, AIVD, warned that Dutch universities are an “attractive target” for spying and that China is the largest threat. This analysis coincides with the annual report of Germany’s domestic intelligence agency, the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, which believes that “in the field of education and research, China’s activities and forms of cooperation threaten to undermine academic freedom.”

Universities in Sweden and Denmark have also lodged inquiries and imposed bans on Chinese students. In 2020, then-U.S. President Donald Trump barred the entry of Chinese graduate students believed to have ties to the Chinese military. However, China is still the top country of origin for international students in the U.S.: last year, there were about 290,000 Chinese citizens studying in the United States. Relations between Western countries and China have been strained in the past few years, with the U.S. perceiving the Chinese Communist Party as the “most consequential threat” to its national security.
Good decision , some cases of spying by chinese students came to light in US universities .
 
Yes...

Every student went to university to study.

So, yes!
 
Good decision , some cases of spying by chinese students came to light in US universities .

Is Indian student not studying in university?

I remember one incident in Duke university .

Because this student is learning well.

the key issue is they do not respect the idea of intellectual property

but thats what commie is, thieves, take from those that have

Nope, that is not true.

China is the biggest IP contributor.

Not to forget in technical conferences, Chinese students rather than engaging in a discourse, they record the video of presentations to send to their peers back in China.

Foreigner don't do it?

I'm using my smartphone to record and photo almost all my teacher's presentation.

Seriously, are foreigners studying???

At least they should take a note... but that is so 20st century.
 
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Chinese students are banned from studying advanced Physics and Chemistry in UK

they are well known thieves

You mean studying is stealing?

They pay for it.

The school is not free and it's expensive actually.

You order a pizza for the same price as everybody else, but you won't get all the ingredients because of your race.
 
Is Indian student not studying in university?



Because this student is learning well.



Nope, that is not true.

China is the biggest IP contributor.



Foreigner don't do it?

I'm using my smartphone to record and photo almost all my teacher's presentation.

Seriously, are foreigners studying???

At least they should take a note... but that is so 20st century.
Students should not be forced to steal and spying in the country where they are studying .

You mean studying is stealing?

They pay for it.

The school is not free and it's expensive actually.

You order a pizza for the same price as everybody else, but you won't get all the ingredients because of your race.
Pizza is same as research in physics ? Nobody is stopping you from eating pizza . But once you start projecting pizza as chinese dish and try to get patent for it then problem starts .
 
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Good decision , some cases of spying by chinese students came to light in US universities .

Indians cheering in the cesspit will not replace the status of Chinese students in the West.

Europe is mainly under the coercion of the United States.

And the Indians are not worth the West's wariness at all.
 
Can you count your fingers?
Is that how you find out if any Chinese has PHD in science or chemistry??

Whether to go or not is the choice of the Chinese people.

But banning Chinese alone is racist.

This is inconsistent with the values advertised by the West.

Western colonialism and racism need to be completely liquidated.
University banned them because of Spying suspicion. How would you call that racist?
 
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