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JF-17 Thunder's Armament

EXACTLY!!!
What more should we expect from a plane with such price tag and developed and made operational in such time frame. Not to mention all those lessons that we will find useful going forward. JF17 is here to stay and from what i can tell, it wont be last of such projects for PAF. It is unfortunate that our economic situation is not allowing us to exploit the full potential and future avenues but we are doing so still and once situation improves we will see us gain pace.

Totally agree with you. It should not be forgotten that plane is end product. What is behind is a smoothly running factory. Skilled man power and engineer who were involved in the project from day one every step of the way.

IF you add all this up... this is great achievement for a cash strapped country. Now a the next stage is emerge. When the desired number of JFs are delivered to PAF the replacement for the F16 can start. PAF will need about 500 mulitrole fighters. When the next PAC fighter comes out it will surprise both friends and foes. A semi stealth medium mulitrole platform. IF PAC builds 250 of these.. this leaves room for 100 true stealth fighters. Home made.

Pair that we export of both JF and its larger future brother.. PAC can self finance this programme. All is needed a dedicated diplomacy. PK government should be pushing sales.
 
Guys I have come across a lot of posts in this forum about JF-17 being underpowered....just to add my two cents here i personally think if you keep the engine the same and use more carbon composites in the airframe or the fuselage that is going to make a difference and it will automatically increase its thrust to weight ratio as well....but this sadly can only apply on block 3 model which is under development...


Hi,

The reason you are seeing a lots of posts regarding the power of the JF17---is from posters who are only impressed with show and pomp----and know not much else---.

If there was a compromise----I would rather have a top tier EW suite along with tier one weapons than a more powerful engine anytime of the day.
 
Hi,

The reason you are seeing a lots of posts regarding the power of the JF17---is from posters who are only impressed with show and pomp----and know not much else---.

If there was a compromise----I would rather have a top tier EW suite along with tier one weapons than a more powerful engine anytime of the day.

Spoken like fighter pilot!
 
Totally agree with you. It should not be forgotten that plane is end product. What is behind is a smoothly running factory. Skilled man power and engineer who were involved in the project from day one every step of the way.

IF you add all this up... this is great achievement for a cash strapped country. Now a the next stage is emerge. When the desired number of JFs are delivered to PAF the replacement for the F16 can start. PAF will need about 500 mulitrole fighters. When the next PAC fighter comes out it will surprise both friends and foes. A semi stealth medium mulitrole platform. IF PAC builds 250 of these.. this leaves room for 100 true stealth fighters. Home made.

Pair that we export of both JF and its larger future brother.. PAC can self finance this programme. All is needed a dedicated diplomacy. PK government should be pushing sales.
Exactly, that is what i am talking about. The benefits and the gains of the project exceed the plane alone. All those screw ups and all the things we did right will play a vital role in our future ventures and as being indicated, there will be future ventures. JF17 was the start!!
 
Exactly, that is what i am talking about. The benefits and the gains of the project exceed the plane alone. All those screw ups and all the things we did right will play a vital role in our future ventures and as being indicated, there will be future ventures. JF17 was the start!!

Glad to that we see the same. Mistakes are worth gold. Besides, you did not make many. By being pragmatic, your people did not try to invent the wheel, but analysed the best aircraft and incorporated ideas that worked for them. The result is quite impressive.

It is only sad when people called it cheap or economic fighter. Since your currency is lower than Euros.. certainly will cost less to produce. IF JF was to be produced in europe... it will role out about 70 million a piece. Hopefully, promotion people just dropped this pricing business. It is an aircraft after all not a family sedan.

Keep going!
 
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The JF-17 Thunder is a different story. It is a modern platform with the room to carry current as well as future subsystems. Yes, it is not a high-performance platform like the Dassault Rafale, but it is a platform capable of using most (if not potentially all) of the very same munitions and subsystems found on pricier alternatives. The only real bottleneck would be Pakistan’s financial capacities.

The JF-17 is equipped with the KLJ-7 mechanically-steered pulse-Doppler radar (developed by the Nanjing Research Institute of Electronic Technology or NRIET). The KLJ-7 can track targets from 75km (at 3m2 RCS – i.e. radar cross-section, an object’s detectability on radar) to 85km (at 5m2 RCS). The KLJ-7 can track up to 10 targets at beyond visual range, and simultaneously engage two with active-radar air-to-air missiles, such as the SD-10.

The SD-10 is an active radar-guided BVRAAM with an approximate range of at least 70km. It functions in a similar manner to the AIM-120C5 (in use with the PAF’s F-16 Block-52+ and MLUs). The SD-10 is equipped with an active radar-guidance seeker as well as data-link supported inertial guidance system. The latter enables the SD-10 to be deployed mid-way to its prospective target, and in a later stage (i.e. the terminal or final stage) the active radar-guidance seeker can kick in to engage the target. Specific performance parameters are difficult to come by, but some have been willing to compare it to the AIM-120, such as Australian defence analyst Dr. Carlo Kopp.


The JF-17 with the SD-10. Photo credit to Australia Air Power and Zhuhai Imagery

The PL-5EII is the JF-17’s core within visual range air-to-air missile. Although derived from an older platform, the PL-5EII is rated by its chief vendor the China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corporation (CATIC) as “an improved 3rd generation short-range IR air-to-air missile, which features good anti-jamming capability and all-aspect attack capability.” Dr. Carlo Kopp put the PL-5EII in the same general category as the AIM-9M (which is also used by the PAF’s Block-52+ and MLU F-16s).


JF-17 with PL-5EII. Photo credit to Australia Air Power

In looking at the JF-17’s air-to-surface munitions suite, one must recognize that the PAF has yet to disclose exactly how it intends to arm the platform. However, CATIC is marketing the JF-17 with a whole host of precision-strike weapons in the form of the LT-2, LS-3, LS-6, C-802A and CM-400AKG.

The LT-2 is a laser-guided bomb kit designed for standard general purpose bombs (GPB). It is basically used to equip a GPB (such as potentially the Mk.82) with a laser-based guidance kit. Unlike satellite-aided PGBs, laser guided bombs (LGBs) can be used on a standalone basis, i.e. without the support of a satellite-network. The effectiveness of LGBs can suffer however from poor weather conditions, though the WMD-7 targeting pod could compensate for this to an extent.

The LS-3 and LS-6 are satellite-based PGB kits for 250kg and 500kg GPBs, respectively, and are similar to the Boeing Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) kit for Mk-82 and Mk-83 GPBs. Like the JDAM, the LS-3/6 is meant to augment an existing GPB with a guidance-system and glide-system, enabling the bomb to not only be more precise, but exhibit more range. In fact, the more apt comparison for the LS-3/6 would be the JDAM-ER (short for ‘Extended Range’), a stand-off munition.


The Range Extension Kit (REK) for Mk80-series general purpose bombs (GPB). The REK is produced in Pakistan by Global Industrial and Defence Solutions (GIDS).

The C-802A and CM-400AKG are anti-ship missiles (AShM). The C-802A is in line with emulating the Harpoon and Exocet-series of AShM, but the CM-400AKG is marketed as a high-speed missile designed to engage large ships such as aircraft carriers.

In regards to the PAF’s air-to-surface munitions suite, the details are beginning to emerge. For example, the PAF recently finalized a contract to acquire the Aselsan ASELPOD advanced targeting pod for use on the JF-17. It is also likely that the PAF will ultimately acquire the Global Industrial Defence Solutions (GIDS) Range Extension Kit (REK) or Takbir as its INS/GPS PGB, it would not be surprising if a semi-active laser-homing (SALH) kit for LGBs is also produced in Pakistan (if not already). The principal AShM is C-802A.

Details of the JF-17’s ECM/EW suite are difficult to come by, but the standard commercial configuration of the JF-17 is fully equipped via Chinese origin subsystems: Missile Alert Warning System (MAWS), Radar Warning Receiver (RWR), optional external electronic warfare (EW) jamming pods (KG300/KG600), and tactical data-link system. The PAF seems to be operating a configuration mixing Chinese subsystems with Western European counterparts, but exactly where this is occurring is not known.

Another addition is the network-centric nature of the JF-17. To be fair this shift is not tied to exclusively to the JF-17, but is part of a wider shift in the PAF to tightly connect its key assets. By connecting land and air-based surveillance and communication network (involving radars, airborne early warning & control aircraft or AEW&C, fighter aircraft, and possibly even unmanned aerial vehicles) with a dependable high-bandwidth tactical data-link system, multiple PAF assets can share near real-time information with one another. The data-link system in use by the PAF is Link-17, a domestically developed solution.

The JF-17 is not a static program, it will continue to evolve and incorporate new technology and improved weapon systems. It will also get better at fulfilling each of its operational roles.

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What is that on the wings? The image is blurry but I don't spot the characteristic large canards of the C802. I may just be mistaken.

EDIT: Could you tell me the name of the program that is from so I can perhaps check out the video? I don't want to be the cause of undue speculation. More than likely it is something unexciting.
 
What is that on the wings? The image is blurry but I don't spot the characteristic large canards of the C802. I may just be mistaken.
Looks like an ATGM.

What is that on the wings? The image is blurry but I don't spot the characteristic large canards of the C802. I may just be mistaken.

EDIT: Could you tell me the name of the program that is from so I can perhaps check out the video? I don't want to be the cause of undue speculation. More than likely it is something unexciting.
 
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