JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[Dazzler]

block 2s rolling

 

[ziaulislam]

The F-16 received more publicity for the anti militant support role as we need to keep emphasizing the Americans its usefulness to Pakistan.

given the buying of new pod for thunder and refusal of 8 f-16s , i think this will change and thunder will be the forefront aircraft instead

 

[My-Analogous]

Kid first learn to give respect on an open forum



Does the thick head could not understand a simple statement/question, which block of FC-1/JF-17 is been offered to Burma/Myanmar



Does anybody mentioned RSS, and religion is something which is personal belief, and should be kept at home/heart/mind and away from defence matter. The question is wrt to the article which suggest that, the sentiments of the people which the govt. of the Pakistan have to explain to its people. P.S even the news of the deal with the Myanmar was kept secret as the unnamed Asian Country for a while. Hope it does not require any Size of the Head to absorb.



Its a pretty norms, and every Airforce follow the procedure. For your sake

Initial Operational Capability (IOC)
IOC can be declared when one or more subsets of the capability can be deployed on operations. IOC considers the personnel, training, major systems, supplies, facilities and training areas, logistics, support, command and management required to deliver the subset of capability required.

Final Operational Capability (FOC)
Final Operational Capability is declared when the entire capability can be deployed on operations. FOC considers the personnel, training, major systems, supplies, facilities and training areas, logistics, support, command and management required to deliver the full capability required.



Whose task ??

You are asking
IOC & FOC

of fully operational 65 planes?

 

[ziaulislam]

Ok this my thread have been merged with the JF-17 multirole fighter thread, but no body gave me answer I asked, here is again I would like to repeat.


1. What is the cost at which the FC-1 is been offered to Burma and how different is that from the PAF Block 1 or block 2.

2. Is there any voice raised in Pakistan for the sale of JF-17 regarding Rohingas Issue in Burma ?

3. What is FOC status of JF-17, or did the PAF have issued FOC to it ?
4. Can anyone post night flying operation of JF-17.

we dont know the cost but stated around 15 million, like the f-7 thunder is a modular design and price could range anywhere from 15 to 30 million

 

[zebra7]

You are asking
IOC & FOC

of fully operational 65 planes?

NO, I am saying, the PAF should issue FOC certificate for the 65 fully operational planes, which should help in export.

we dont know the cost but stated around 15 million, like the f-7 thunder is a modular design and price could range anywhere from 15 to 30 million

There is an article that suggest 35 Million for the Myanmar.

 

[My-Analogous]

NO, I am saying, the PAF should issue FOC certificate for the 65 fully operational planes, which should help in export.



There is an article that suggest 35 Million for the Myanmar.

We already have export orders. Are they not professional to look into these matters? We have two confirmed countries for JF17 sales

 

[ziaulislam]

NO, I am saying, the PAF should issue FOC certificate for the 65 fully operational planes, which should help in export.



There is an article that suggest 35 Million for the Myanmar.

when it comes to aircraft the most common term used to define price are
1. unit cost flyaway
2. unitcost+weapons suits+traiinng
3 unit cost+training+weapons+LIFE CYCLEcost

we dont know which one is which so its pretty useless to argue/explore this until the deal is finalized

 

[MastanKhan]

NO, I am saying, the PAF should issue FOC certificate for the 65 fully operational planes, which should help in export.



There is an article that suggest 35 Million for the Myanmar.

Sir,

What is your 'fetish ' is with FOC. If an aircraft is shot down by these JF17's---would it crash any different otherwise---.

If FOC would have helped---then Rafale did not have to wait for 15 years since inception to make its first outside sale.

 

[zebra7]

Sir,

What is your 'fetish ' is with FOC. If an aircraft is shot down by these JF17's---would it crash any different otherwise---.

If FOC would have helped---then Rafale did not have to wait for 15 years since inception to make its first outside sale.

OK then Good Luck then.

 

[Thorough Pro]

He is an indian intelligence guy, collecting sensitive info from naïve Pakistani fanboys

Sir,

What is your 'fetish ' is with FOC. If an aircraft is shot down by these JF17's---would it crash any different otherwise---.

If FOC would have helped---then Rafale did not have to wait for 15 years since inception to make its first outside sale.

 

[volatile]

block 2s rolling

Hi i asked this question before as well ,Whats the difference in cone colour ? from previous blocks

 

[Deino]

Sorry, but is the a difference ??

 

[araz]

NO, I am saying, the PAF should issue FOC certificate for the 65 fully operational planes, which should help in export.



There is an article that suggest 35 Million for the Myanmar.

AND WE ARE SAYING THAT THERE ARE 3 OPERATIONAL AND FUNCTIONING SQUADRONS WITH A FOURTH COMING ON LINE SOON. NOW LOOK AT THE STUPIDITY OF WHAT YOU ARE ASKING. Please desist from this stupidity and rant or your tushy is toast

 

[randomradio]

AND WE ARE SAYING THAT THERE ARE 3 OPERATIONAL AND FUNCTIONING SQUADRONS WITH A FOURTH COMING ON LINE SOON. NOW LOOK AT THE STUPIDITY OF WHAT YOU ARE ASKING. Please desist from this stupidity and rant or your tushy is toast

While I don't necessarily agree with zebra, I don't agree with you either. Even the Americans have hundreds of F-35s without IOC. The Russians had initially planned to get 3 or 4 squadrons of PAK FA before IOC, now reduced to 12 jets for now. IAF planned to buy 2 squadrons of LCA before FOC.

I believe there were 50 J-10s made after 2002 in the LRIP phase and IOC was accorded only in 2006 or 2007 with the FOC coming in much later. Maybe @Deino can clear this.

I don't know how the clearance system works in Pakistan, but I won't be surprised if it has followed the Chinese system of building LRIPs first like the 50 JF-17 Block 1, followed by IOC phase Block 2 with 50 jets, and then the FOC phase, probably the second order of 50 jets for the Block 2.

 

[zebra7]

While I don't necessarily agree with zebra, I don't agree with you either. Even the Americans have hundreds of F-35s without IOC. The Russians had initially planned to get 3 or 4 squadrons of PAK FA before IOC, now reduced to 12 jets for now. IAF planned to buy 2 squadrons of LCA before FOC.

I believe there were 50 J-10s made after 2002 in the LRIP phase and IOC was accorded only in 2006 or 2007 with the FOC coming in much later. Maybe @Deino can clear this.

I don't know how the clearance system works in Pakistan, but I won't be surprised if it has followed the Chinese system of building LRIPs first like the 50 JF-17 Block 1, followed by IOC phase Block 2 with 50 jets, and then the FOC phase, probably the second order of 50 jets for the Block 2.

Exactly this is the point, even if China which keep secrecy to its Military development got FOC of J-10 in 2007, why JF-17 is an exception.