JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 5]

[Gryphon]

 

[VCheng]

I would not be entirely sure, the PAF has been in direct contact with the Russians and works with the manufacturer to improve MTBO rates. You are basing MTBO on the old RD-33 series while the current RD-93(which draws upon the improvements in quality and maintenance of the RD-33 series 3 and MK improvements) has a MTBO of 4000 hours.

Any reference for that information please?

 

[BATMAN]

There was an interview recently with AC Khalid Mehmood and he mentioned PAF has passed 3000hrs w/o maintenance.

 

[SQ8]

Any reference for that information please?

The Klimov website has the information on RD-33 MK.. The RD-33 series 3 information is based on various news reports(now only found on quoted blogs but a simple search for RD-33 series-3 service life will do. Again, these are probably manufacture quoted figures but general peacetime usage might be close to that figure.

The GE-404 information is available in the manufacturers brochure or if you have the time a study by NPS , Montrey on the costs for F/A-18 Maintenance which details the MTBO for various sections of the GE-404.

 

[SQ8]

There was an interview recently with AC Khalid Mehmood and he mentioned PAF has passed 3000hrs w/o maintenance.

The interview stated 7000 hours without maintenance and it was for the entire fleet and not one engine. A good sign but as such the engines are still very young by that number... for a fleet of 45 aircraft .. 7000 hours is not much

 

[VCheng]

The Klimov website has the information on RD-33 MK.. The RD-33 series 3 information is based on various news reports(now only found on quoted blogs but a simple search for RD-33 series-3 service life will do. Again, these are probably manufacture quoted figures but general peacetime usage might be close to that figure.

The GE-404 information is available in the manufacturers brochure or if you have the time a study by NPS , Montrey on the costs for F/A-18 Maintenance which details the MTBO for various sections of the GE-404.

This is the link:

JSC "Klimov" - RD-33MK

FACTS

Unassisted takeoff of the MiG-29K fighter from the aircraft carrier deck is possible owing to the increased horsepower of the engine;
The engine contains systems that reduce its infrared and optical visibility;
The service life of the engine is a long 4,000 hours;
Installed on MiG-29K, MiG-29KUB and MiG-35 jet fighters;
Developed in 2001.

But this is not the engine currently powering the JF-17, is it?

 

[SQ8]

This is the link:

JSC "Klimov" - RD-33MK



But this is not the engine currently powering the JF-17, is it?

It is the RD-33 series 3 in RD-93 form. The series 3 was specifically updated for lifecycle improvement. The MK series brings with it performance improvements.

 

[VCheng]

It is the RD-33 series 3 in RD-93 form. The series 3 was specifically updated for lifecycle improvement. The MK series brings with it performance improvements.

So is it a foregone conclusion that these newer and improved engines will be installed in the next Blocks of JF-17s just because they are available from the manufacturer?

 

[Dazzler]

So is it a foregone conclusion that these newer and improved engines will be installed in the next Blocks of JF-17s just because they are available from the manufacturer?

MA version already being tested in China on a prototype (06).

 

[Bratva]

 

[SQ8]

So is it a foregone conclusion that these newer and improved engines will be installed in the next Blocks of JF-17s just because they are available from the manufacturer?

Yes, what the PAF has done has bypassed the Chinese in dealing with the Russians. The Russians, regardless of all the hooplah.. were/are happy to sell.

 

[VCheng]

Yes, what the PAF has done has bypassed the Chinese in dealing with the Russians. The Russians, regardless of all the hooplah.. were/are happy to sell.

That is smart thinking on part of PAF then.

 

[khanasifm]

Pak had approached (Kiyani visit) Russia to setup Major overhaul of rd-93 and il-78 D-30 engines in pak, like they are doing it for Mirage Atara and f-16 f100 engines, not sure what was the outcome, Paf will stick to rd-93 as there is no problem but for export ws-13 or other options are being looked at including a western engine. Rd-93 per AFM article now has 600 +1200 or ~1800 hours life thus you need ~2 / 2.5 engine per airframe life. I am sure it can be brought to RD-33 Series III std. ~4000 hours which mean 1 engine per aircraft. Airframe life can also be extended from current 3/4 k hours.

 

[Kompromat]

That is smart thinking on part of PAF then.

They are not that dumb after all?

Maybe we can use the good will with Russkis to acquire AL-31F/+ motors for J-10Bs, if thats still on the plate?

 

[VCheng]

They are not that dumb after all?

Maybe we can use the good will with Russkis to acquire AL-31F/+ motors for J-10Bs, if thats still on the plate?

PAF leaders have always been smart to use whatever they have in the best possible ways, no doubt about that, as long as they do not believe self-induced delusions of grandeur.

Are there any funds available to acquire the J-10Bs?