JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[danger007]

Exactly. Lock down range is still 160km which is also the range of R77M, which is consistent with my claim that Su-30 can shoot down JF17 from a distance of 160 Km.

What I was saying that since radar range of JF17 is 130-150 km which is less than 160km, JF17 will never be able to detect Su30 in a combat situation because it will be shot down before reaching there itself. Hence, it is pointless to think about whether JF17 will be able to detect Su30 which was exactly what Thorough Pro was doing.

Again it should be noted that all sources of radar range of Su-30 MKI don't have very solid info. But it should be assumed that it can detect target well beyond the range of its A2A missile Vympel R77M. I believe this discussion has come to an end. Thanx



I can show u more sources which claim that Su-30 RCS is 5m^2. After that u can play my source is better than yours as long as u want.

you are going off topic.... just back off buddy..... plenty of time we discussed about mki vs threads... no need to discuss further... JF-17 is not developed to counter any particular Jet let alone MKI..... they wan't replace old-age bird's .... JF-17 is cost effective fighter.......

@some member claimed MKI got 20 m^s.... if it got that much RCS IAF won't induct huge no's ... but obviously it got big RCS....

 

[mylovepakistan]

Exactly. Lock down range is still 160km which is also the range of R77M, which is consistent with my claim that Su-30 can shoot down JF17 from a distance of 160 Km.

What I was saying that since radar range of JF17 is 130-150 km which is less than 160km, JF17 will never be able to detect Su30 in a combat situation because it will be shot down before reaching there itself. Hence, it is pointless to think about whether JF17 will be able to detect Su30 which was exactly what Thorough Pro was doing.

Again it should be noted that all sources of radar range of Su-30 MKI don't have very solid info. But it should be assumed that it can detect target well beyond the range of its A2A missile Vympel R77M. I believe this discussion has come to an end. Thanx



I can show u more sources which claim that Su-30 RCS is 5m^2. After that u can play my source is better than yours as long as u want.

LOL!!!!

now i have realized that you are really a KID,

YOU say lock on range is 160 km so SUKHOI will shoot JF 17 at 160 km..

first off,140-160 km range is for F-16 block 15s which have an RCS of 5m2

jf 17 has 3m2 RCS while its fully loaded,

now give me a link that says india has R-77M????

also you KID put this into ur head that a BVR missile is never fired at MAX range,

now let me remind you some of ur statements...

"hence it can track a jf 17 at 200 km and detect at 400 km" LOL!
but then you say " 94-107 km for 1m2 "

i ask you sir does it make a sense that MKI detecting a thunder at 400 km ( thunder has 3m2 RCSfully loaded) so how it is detecting 1m2 target at 94-107 ??? LOL!

and also the vayu sina link also kicks ur statements,

now lets have whole heatedly a laugh at you...hahahaha..LOL!

WELL AS FOR RCS,

wait for a think tank or even any indian senior member,that will teach you KID !

 

[alimobin memon]

Jf17 can detect 5m^2 target at 130 km .... All radar of Block 1 have been upgraded ... 5m^2 of MKI is for EMPTY but it's heavy payload brings it to 25

 

[SQ8]

@some member claimed MKI got 20 m^s.... if it got that much RCS IAF won't induct huge no's ... but obviously it got big RCS....

It is quite possible that it may have an RCS along the lines of the F-15E.. but its weapon suite , payload , range etc.. offset that.
Its best one not entertain such arguments further.
The thread is on the JF-17 only and any further posts apart from that will be deleted and infractions given.

 

[Viper0011.]

Sir, I fear cannot agree with you. Isn't it possible that Su-30 detects JF17 while it itself is deep inside Indian territory(assuming that Su-30 takes off from about 100 km inside Indian border.)

If it takes off from that point, do you still think JF17 will be able to detect Su30?

You know my man. I don't think you have a good grasp of military strategy and warfare. One SU 30 can lock onto a JFT when the SU 30 is 100 km inside the Indian territory....so per your explanation, it can lock onto a JFT at 160km (60 km inside Pakistan). There is NO WAY a missile can hit with precision a mach 1.8 jet that can easily slip out of that max range the missile has.....you JUST wasted a missile. The jet can easily turn around, slip out of max range of the missile and confuse the missile's sensors as it can't RE-ACQUIRE the target or match the range with on board sensors . Missile bleeds speed and fuel when they travel and maneuver towards its target as the target will maneuver as well. The 40G+_ capability comes with a cost.....i.e. the reduced range due to drag and bleed. Plus, no missile can hit a target at its maximum flight range. It is not a straight shot / shortest distance between point A and point B. There are a ton of variables involved, including velocity, drag, bleed, air / barometric pressure, range, maneuver, target acquisition and RE-ACQUISITION by the missile mid-course, etc, etc!!

The bottom line is.....in the scenario of India and Pakistan, due to the proximity of basis and geography.....the range of SU-30 vs. JFT in combat is the same. If you are using some SU 30's as semi EW, than yes, you can identify flying targets from over 160 KM.....but that doesn't mean you can sustain a lock on a target 140 - 160 km away. Nor will the missile perform in such scenario. If you have too much money and would like to waste a few hundred bvr missiles....please have at it!

Again, I am going to not get involved anymore as this is childish comparison and typical India's di*k is bigger than Pakistan mentality. Have fun with your thoughts.

 

[Last Hope]

This thread has again turned useless and last two pages (about 80 posts) are filled with nonsense.

 

[Manticore]

Please take this discussion to the ''radar ranges of different fighters'' or ''rcs of different fighters'' threads in the Military Forum

 

[Faysii]

 

[Faysii]

FC-1 / JF-17 Multirole Fighter Aircraft

Official designation: Fighter China-1 (FC-1) Xiaolong
PAF designation: Joint Fighter-17 (JF-17) Thunder
Function: Air-superiority; Ground attack
Designer: Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute (611 Institute)
Manufacturer: Chengdu Aircraft Industry (Group) Corporation Ltd. (CAC)
Maiden flight: 25 August 2003
Operator: Pakistani Air Force
Estimated cost: US$15~20 million

The FC-1 (Fighter China-1) Xiaolong is the result of a joint Sino-Pakistani development programme that started in 1999, with each side contributing 50% of the total development cost. Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) of China is the prime contractor for aircraft development and manufacture, while Pakistani Aeronautical Complex (PAC) is the main partner responsible for post-sale service and maintenance, as well as the production of some parts for the aircraft in Pakistan. The aircraft was designed by Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute (611 Institute). Russia supplied its Klimov RD-93 turbofan jet engine for the aircraft.

The initial order was from the Pakistani Air Force (PAF) for eight aircraft, which were delivered in 2007~08. A further order for 42 aircraft worth about US$800 million was signed in March 2009. The aircraft is currently being built by CAC at a rate of 15 aircraft per annum, and this will increase to 30 aircraft per annum later. The total number required by the PAF could be as many as 250, worth US$3~5 billion.

Several other countries also showed interest in the aircraft. Despite previous reports suggesting that the FC-1 would also be equipped by the PLAAF, no order has been reported so far.

Programme

The FC-1 traces its origin to the Super-7 fighter programme, a joint Chengdu-Grumman development project worth US$500 million to upgrade the Chinese J-7 (MiG-21) fighter. Proposed upgrades included removing the fighter's nose air intake and replacing it with a ‘solid’ nose with two lateral air intakes, as well as upgrading the fighter with Western-made avionics and engine. The development agreement was signed in 1986, but the programme was cancelled in 1990, in the wake of the cooling political relations between China and the West, as well as in response to a 40% increase in the cost of the project.

Chengdu continued the Super-7 project independently and re-branded the design as FC-1. In 1999, China and Pakistan concluded a joint development and production agreement to co-develop the FC-1 fighter. Under the agreement, the programme was to be jointly funded by the China Aviation Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) and Pakistan, each with 50% stake of the joint venture. The total cost of the development programme was estimated to be US$150 million. Russian Mikoyan Aero-Science Production Group (MASPG) reportedly provided some assistance in the development of the aircraft

The first prototype of the FC-1 rolled out on 31 May 2003, and the aircraft made its maiden flight successfully on 25 August. A total of three flying prototypes were developed, along with a static prototype. Flight trial of the aircraft completed in 2005 and the aircraft entered production in June 2006.



JF-17 of the Pakistani Air Force (Chinese Military Aviation)

In March 2007, CAC delivered two JF-17 fighters (#101, #102) to the PAF on 12 March 2007. They made their debut on 23 March during a fly-past as part of the Pakistan Day military parade in Islamabad. A further six aircraft were delivered to the PAF in 2008. Under the joint development agreement, the PAF will acquire up to 250 examples of the fighter in several batches, with the avionics systems gradually upgraded in later batches. Some production will also be carried out by PAC in Pakistan, including the manufacture of the aircraft’s wings and fin.

CAC and CATIC are also actively marketing the FC-1 to other developing countries as a low-cost replacement for the Northrop F-5 Tiger, Dassault Mirage III/5, Shenyang J-6, MiG-21/F-7 Fishbed, and Nanchang Q-5. Potential customers could include Bangladesh, Iran, Egypt and Nigeria.

Design

The FC-1 adopts a rather conventional aerodynamic layout, with mid-mounted wings, lateral air intakes, single-frame bubble cockpit canopy, and two under-belly stabilising fins. The drag chute bay is located at the root of the rudder. An electronic equipment pod is mounted on the tip of the rudder. The formal production variant of the FC-1 features a diffuser supersonic inlet (DSI) similar to those of the U.S. F-35 fighter for better air-intake efficiency.

Radar

The JF-17s in service with the PAF are fitted with an Italian Grifo S-7 multi-track, multi-mode, pulse Doppler radar radar. The radar has 25 working modes and a non-break-down time of 200 hours, and is capable of “look-down, shoot-down”, as well as for ground strike abilities. Alternatively, the aircraft can be fitted with the Thales RC400, GEC Marconi Blue Hawk, Russian Phazotron Zemchug/Kopyo, and Chinese indigenous KLJ-7 developed by Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology (NRIET).

Cockpit and Avionics Systems

The FC-1 / JF-17 features a ‘glass cockpit’ with three large multifunctional displays (Chinese Internet)
The FC-1’s avionics architecture is supported by two mission computers based on Multi-Bus System (MIL-STD-1553B). The heart of the system is a 32-bit Weapon and Mission management Computer (WMMC) which performs mission computations, flight management, reconfiguration / redundancy management and in-flight system self-test.

Navigation -- Hybrid inertial navigation system (INS) and global positioning system (GPS);
Communications -- Independent data link with two Independent wide-band radios with anti-jamming capabilities;
Electronic warfare (EW) -- Self production jammer, missile approach warning system, radar warning receiver (RWR), chaff & flare dispenser;
Identification of Friend and foe (IFF) -- IFF interrogator for target verification at the BVR range;
‘Glass’ cockpit -- Three large Multifunction Colour Displays (MFD) and smart Heads-Up Display (HUD) with built-in symbol generation capability; HOTAS;
Targeting -- Laser Designator and Targeting Pod (LDTP) for target illumination and detection with day/ night capabilities;

Weapons

Fixed weapon includes a GSh-23 dual-barrel 23mm cannon. Alternatively the aircraft can be fitted with a GSh-30 dual-30mm cannon. There are 7 stores stations, including one under the fuselage, 4 under the wings, and 2 wingtip mounted, with up to 3,700kg weapon payload.

The aircraft is callable of ‘beyond-visual-range’ (BVR) attack capability with the PL-12/SD-10 active radar-homing medium-range air-to-air missile (MRAAM) developed by China Leihua Electronic Technology Research Institute (LETRI, also known as 607 Institute). The aircraft also carries two short-range AAMs on its wingtip-mounted launch rails. The options include U.S. AIM-9P and Chinese PL-7, PL-8, and PL-9.

The aircraft can carry a special pod allowing day/night delivery of laser-guided weapons. In addition, it can also carry unguided weapons such as low-drag general-purpose (LDGP) bombs and unguided rocket launchers.

Engine

The FC-1/JF-17 is powered by a Russian-made Klimov RD-93 turbofan jet engine rated 49.4kN dry or 84.4kN with afterburning. The RD-93 is a derivation of the RD-33 used by the MiG-29 fighter. In 2007, China signed a contract with Russia to supply 150 RD-93 engines for the JF-17 production.

Liyang Aero Engine Corporation in Guizhou is reportedly developing an indigenous turbofan engine designated WS-13 (or Tianshan-21) as an alterative powerplant option for the FC-1. The engine was said to have been based on the RD-93 design with some modifications.

Specifications

Crew: One
Length: 14m
Wingspan: 8.5m (without wingtip missiles)
Wing area: 24.4m2
Height: 5.10m
Empty weight: 6,411kg
Loaded weight: 9,100kg (without two wingtip missiles)
Take-off weight: (normal) 9,100kg; (maximum) 12,700kg
Fuel capacity: 2,300kg
In-flight refuelling: No
Weapon payload: 3,700kg
Powerplant: 1X Russian RD-93 turbofan, rated at 49.4kN dry or 84.4kN with afterburning
Max level speed: Mach 1.6~1.8 (high altitude)
Max climb rate: N/A
Service ceiling: 16,700m
Ferry range: 3,000km
Combat radius: 1,350km
G limit: -3 ~ +8.5
Fixed weapon: 23mm or 30mm single-barrel cannon
External hardpoints: Seven (1 under the fuselage centerline; 4 under the wings; 2 on the wingtips).

 

[Faysii]

JF-17 Radar:

A Chinese radar KLJ-7 has been selected for the initial batch of JF-17s.


KLJ-7 is a multi–function X-band Pulse-Doppler fire control radar. It was developed by Nanjing Research Institute of Electronic Technology (NRIET), also known as the China Electronics Technology Company's (CETC's) No. 14 Research Institute.

Specifications:

Frequency: X band
Operation range (RCS of 5 m2) :
Up-looking detection range >105KM
Down-looking detection range >85km
Management of up to 40 targets
Numbers of simultaneously tracked targets: 10
Simultaneously fire on 2 BVR targets
Weight: <120 kg
Meantime between failure: 220 hours
Meantime to recovery: 0.5 hours
Features:

Guidance for medium/long range missiles.
All waveform design.
Air/air, Air/ground, air/sea and navigation functions.
Compact structure.
Parasitic IFF antena on radar anetnna array.
Low sidelobe slotted plane array antenna technique.
High-speed parallel digitial signal processing.
14 Operational Modes:

Range While Search (RWS)
Velocity Search (VS)
Single Target Track (STT)
Track While Scan (TWS)
Dual Target Track (DTT)
Situational Awareness Mode (SAM)
Air Combat Mode (ACM)(with five sub-modes)
Real Beam Map (RBM)
Doppler Beam Sharpening (DBS)
Ground Moving Target Indication/Ground Moving Target Track (GMTI/GMTT)
Air to Ground Ranging (AGR)
Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR)
Sea Single Target Track (SSTT)
Beacon (BCN)

 

[hatf IX]

FC-1 / JF-17 Multirole Fighter Aircraft

Official designation: Fighter China-1 (FC-1) Xiaolong
PAF designation: Joint Fighter-17 (JF-17) Thunder
Function: Air-superiority; Ground attack
Designer: Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute (611 Institute)
Manufacturer: Chengdu Aircraft Industry (Group) Corporation Ltd. (CAC)
Maiden flight: 25 August 2003
Operator: Pakistani Air Force
Estimated cost: US$15~20 million

The FC-1 (Fighter China-1) Xiaolong is the result of a joint Sino-Pakistani development programme that started in 1999, with each side contributing 50% of the total development cost. Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) of China is the prime contractor for aircraft development and manufacture, while Pakistani Aeronautical Complex (PAC) is the main partner responsible for post-sale service and maintenance, as well as the production of some parts for the aircraft in Pakistan. The aircraft was designed by Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute (611 Institute). Russia supplied its Klimov RD-93 turbofan jet engine for the aircraft.

The initial order was from the Pakistani Air Force (PAF) for eight aircraft, which were delivered in 2007~08. A further order for 42 aircraft worth about US$800 million was signed in March 2009. The aircraft is currently being built by CAC at a rate of 15 aircraft per annum, and this will increase to 30 aircraft per annum later. The total number required by the PAF could be as many as 250, worth US$3~5 billion.

Several other countries also showed interest in the aircraft. Despite previous reports suggesting that the FC-1 would also be equipped by the PLAAF, no order has been reported so far.

Programme

The FC-1 traces its origin to the Super-7 fighter programme, a joint Chengdu-Grumman development project worth US$500 million to upgrade the Chinese J-7 (MiG-21) fighter. Proposed upgrades included removing the fighter's nose air intake and replacing it with a &#8216;solid&#8217; nose with two lateral air intakes, as well as upgrading the fighter with Western-made avionics and engine. The development agreement was signed in 1986, but the programme was cancelled in 1990, in the wake of the cooling political relations between China and the West, as well as in response to a 40% increase in the cost of the project.

Chengdu continued the Super-7 project independently and re-branded the design as FC-1. In 1999, China and Pakistan concluded a joint development and production agreement to co-develop the FC-1 fighter. Under the agreement, the programme was to be jointly funded by the China Aviation Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) and Pakistan, each with 50% stake of the joint venture. The total cost of the development programme was estimated to be US$150 million. Russian Mikoyan Aero-Science Production Group (MASPG) reportedly provided some assistance in the development of the aircraft

The first prototype of the FC-1 rolled out on 31 May 2003, and the aircraft made its maiden flight successfully on 25 August. A total of three flying prototypes were developed, along with a static prototype. Flight trial of the aircraft completed in 2005 and the aircraft entered production in June 2006.



JF-17 of the Pakistani Air Force (Chinese Military Aviation)

In March 2007, CAC delivered two JF-17 fighters (#101, #102) to the PAF on 12 March 2007. They made their debut on 23 March during a fly-past as part of the Pakistan Day military parade in Islamabad. A further six aircraft were delivered to the PAF in 2008. Under the joint development agreement, the PAF will acquire up to 250 examples of the fighter in several batches, with the avionics systems gradually upgraded in later batches. Some production will also be carried out by PAC in Pakistan, including the manufacture of the aircraft&#8217;s wings and fin.

CAC and CATIC are also actively marketing the FC-1 to other developing countries as a low-cost replacement for the Northrop F-5 Tiger, Dassault Mirage III/5, Shenyang J-6, MiG-21/F-7 Fishbed, and Nanchang Q-5. Potential customers could include Bangladesh, Iran, Egypt and Nigeria.

Design

The FC-1 adopts a rather conventional aerodynamic layout, with mid-mounted wings, lateral air intakes, single-frame bubble cockpit canopy, and two under-belly stabilising fins. The drag chute bay is located at the root of the rudder. An electronic equipment pod is mounted on the tip of the rudder. The formal production variant of the FC-1 features a diffuser supersonic inlet (DSI) similar to those of the U.S. F-35 fighter for better air-intake efficiency.

Radar

The JF-17s in service with the PAF are fitted with an Italian Grifo S-7 multi-track, multi-mode, pulse Doppler radar radar. The radar has 25 working modes and a non-break-down time of 200 hours, and is capable of &#8220;look-down, shoot-down&#8221;, as well as for ground strike abilities. Alternatively, the aircraft can be fitted with the Thales RC400, GEC Marconi Blue Hawk, Russian Phazotron Zemchug/Kopyo, and Chinese indigenous KLJ-7 developed by Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology (NRIET).

Cockpit and Avionics Systems

The FC-1 / JF-17 features a &#8216;glass cockpit&#8217; with three large multifunctional displays (Chinese Internet)
The FC-1&#8217;s avionics architecture is supported by two mission computers based on Multi-Bus System (MIL-STD-1553B). The heart of the system is a 32-bit Weapon and Mission management Computer (WMMC) which performs mission computations, flight management, reconfiguration / redundancy management and in-flight system self-test.

Navigation -- Hybrid inertial navigation system (INS) and global positioning system (GPS);
Communications -- Independent data link with two Independent wide-band radios with anti-jamming capabilities;
Electronic warfare (EW) -- Self production jammer, missile approach warning system, radar warning receiver (RWR), chaff & flare dispenser;
Identification of Friend and foe (IFF) -- IFF interrogator for target verification at the BVR range;
&#8216;Glass&#8217; cockpit -- Three large Multifunction Colour Displays (MFD) and smart Heads-Up Display (HUD) with built-in symbol generation capability; HOTAS;
Targeting -- Laser Designator and Targeting Pod (LDTP) for target illumination and detection with day/ night capabilities;

Weapons

Fixed weapon includes a GSh-23 dual-barrel 23mm cannon. Alternatively the aircraft can be fitted with a GSh-30 dual-30mm cannon. There are 7 stores stations, including one under the fuselage, 4 under the wings, and 2 wingtip mounted, with up to 3,700kg weapon payload.

The aircraft is callable of &#8216;beyond-visual-range&#8217; (BVR) attack capability with the PL-12/SD-10 active radar-homing medium-range air-to-air missile (MRAAM) developed by China Leihua Electronic Technology Research Institute (LETRI, also known as 607 Institute). The aircraft also carries two short-range AAMs on its wingtip-mounted launch rails. The options include U.S. AIM-9P and Chinese PL-7, PL-8, and PL-9.

The aircraft can carry a special pod allowing day/night delivery of laser-guided weapons. In addition, it can also carry unguided weapons such as low-drag general-purpose (LDGP) bombs and unguided rocket launchers.

Engine

The FC-1/JF-17 is powered by a Russian-made Klimov RD-93 turbofan jet engine rated 49.4kN dry or 84.4kN with afterburning. The RD-93 is a derivation of the RD-33 used by the MiG-29 fighter. In 2007, China signed a contract with Russia to supply 150 RD-93 engines for the JF-17 production.

Liyang Aero Engine Corporation in Guizhou is reportedly developing an indigenous turbofan engine designated WS-13 (or Tianshan-21) as an alterative powerplant option for the FC-1. The engine was said to have been based on the RD-93 design with some modifications.

Specifications

Crew: One
Length: 14m
Wingspan: 8.5m (without wingtip missiles)
Wing area: 24.4m2
Height: 5.10m
Empty weight: 6,411kg
Loaded weight: 9,100kg (without two wingtip missiles)
Take-off weight: (normal) 9,100kg; (maximum) 12,700kg
Fuel capacity: 2,300kg
In-flight refuelling: No
Weapon payload: 3,700kg
Powerplant: 1X Russian RD-93 turbofan, rated at 49.4kN dry or 84.4kN with afterburning
Max level speed: Mach 1.6~1.8 (high altitude)
Max climb rate: N/A
Service ceiling: 16,700m
Ferry range: 3,000km
Combat radius: 1,350km
G limit: -3 ~ +8.5
Fixed weapon: 23mm or 30mm single-barrel cannon
External hardpoints: Seven (1 under the fuselage centerline; 4 under the wings; 2 on the wingtips).

JF-17 Radar:

A Chinese radar KLJ-7 has been selected for the initial batch of JF-17s.


KLJ-7 is a multi&#8211;function X-band Pulse-Doppler fire control radar. It was developed by Nanjing Research Institute of Electronic Technology (NRIET), also known as the China Electronics Technology Company's (CETC's) No. 14 Research Institute.

Specifications:

Frequency: X band
Operation range (RCS of 5 m2) :
Up-looking detection range >105KM
Down-looking detection range >85km
Management of up to 40 targets
Numbers of simultaneously tracked targets: 10
Simultaneously fire on 2 BVR targets
Weight: <120 kg
Meantime between failure: 220 hours
Meantime to recovery: 0.5 hours
Features:

Guidance for medium/long range missiles.
All waveform design.
Air/air, Air/ground, air/sea and navigation functions.
Compact structure.
Parasitic IFF antena on radar anetnna array.
Low sidelobe slotted plane array antenna technique.
High-speed parallel digitial signal processing.
14 Operational Modes:

Range While Search (RWS)
Velocity Search (VS)
Single Target Track (STT)
Track While Scan (TWS)
Dual Target Track (DTT)
Situational Awareness Mode (SAM)
Air Combat Mode (ACM)(with five sub-modes)
Real Beam Map (RBM)
Doppler Beam Sharpening (DBS)
Ground Moving Target Indication/Ground Moving Target Track (GMTI/GMTT)
Air to Ground Ranging (AGR)
Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR)
Sea Single Target Track (SSTT)
Beacon (BCN)

Why r u putting 5 year old info here . . .. . please first read some post from past and than start to post "ITS NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO INCREASE YOUR POSTS"

MODERATORS > > > PLEASE DELETE THESE POSTS

 

[Faysii]

Why r u putting 5 year old info here . . .. . please first read some post from past and than start to post "ITS NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO INCREASE YOUR POSTS"

MODERATORS > > > PLEASE DELETE THESE POSTS

Oh Sorry Bro.

 

[mylovepakistan]

can any body tell me here with full responsibility that whether JF 17 has a RAM paint or not?

sorry if it has been answered earlier....!

 

[A.Muqeet khan]

can any body tell me here with full responsibility that whether JF 17 has a RAM paint or not?

sorry if it has been answered earlier....!

i dont think so it

 

[Bratva]

can any body tell me here with full responsibility that whether JF 17 has a RAM paint or not?

sorry if it has been answered earlier....!

No there is no RAM PAINT. First step toward reduce RCS is using composites than they go for RAM paint and shaping the plane. JF-17 is still in the process of introducing composites on it self.