JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[TaimiKhan]

Anymore Indian members trolling again will get a straight ban instead of an infraction.

 

[Bratva]

Forget it. PAF will never release any such thing. The next brochure of JF-17 (which will be released on IDEAS) will have a CGI

Najam, can you explain to us, what do you think unofficially about this PAF behavior? and you can express your thoughts from a fake account if you want to express some bold thoughts

 

[Thorough Pro]

as you know we have a lot more cash right now than you.---Thishelps us to easily purchase any counter for an advantage that you are holding

By your logic, China, Russia and US must be cash starved to keep their defence tech, wepon research, and war plans secret.

I envy the genious pool india has (sarcasm)

 

[TaimiKhan]

No more derailing the thread, keep the talk on topic.

 

[ziaulislam]

any solid info on block 2 production commencement? i think internal refueling is confirmed, KLJ-7 newer version, is also confirmed what about IRST? any structural changes? any load capcity changes?


regarding indian members trolling, i think every body knows about thunder info thread, they just do it for FUN, infraction doesnt make sense, they should get a straight ban to be honest, as most accounts are already fake

 

[Imran Khan]

 

[monitor]

some info from pshsamim :

Composites? To reduce RCS?

Very likely.But let me provide another piece of info.

Couple of months ago, probably in May this year, new static tests were carried out on the wings of Block-3 with loads at 100%, 150%, and finally 200% at the central Laboratory of AVIC. The project was headed by Yang Wei, the Deputy Chief Engineer and designer of several aircrafts including JF-17, J-10 and J-20. Trials went very well and even at 200 of load, wing had no damage.

News is great but it significantly points out to how well ahead the CAC and PACs are in their quest to make Thunder a highly advanced jet.

originally Posted by Khalid A.
P Shamim, do you mean Block 3 or Block 2? I assume it's the next significant model standard, rather than the next production block? Also, it sounds like standard structural fatigue testing of the airframe and wings, considering those loads you mentioned. It's pretty normal and consistent with most development cycles of an airframe.

it was reported to me that Tests were done on the Block-3 model already under tests. I am not sure if the lessons learned will make their way into Block-2. You are correct that is a standard structural fatigue test but fatigue test at 200% are not standard. Standard wing loading is done at 150%

These tests are at certain loading provide valuable data which will help design or to see what changes can effectively be made to the structure without causing problems to structure's integrity.

 

[nomi007]

imran bhai kindly tell the name of the base

 

[CallsignAlzaeem]

imran bhai kindly tell the name of the base

Cigli Air Base,Izmir,Turkey.

 

[Darth Vader]

Pakistan has taken delivery of the Brazilian MAR-1 anti-radiation missile and is integrating the weapon on its PAC JF-17 Thunder multirole combat aircraft as well as upgraded Dassault Mirage III and V ROSE fighters.

The MAR-1 is an air-launched defence suppression weapon developed as an independent national programme by Mectron in co-operation with the Brazilian Air Force (FAB).

In 2008 a MAR-1 order from Pakistan for 100 missiles valued at EUR85 million (USD126 million) was announced by the Brazilian government, which provided export credit support for the deal. Reports from Pakistan suggested that deliveries started in 2009.

Mectron would not comment on the MAR-1 programme except to say that "we have an export client and we have delivered missiles to that client". However, during the April 2011 Latin American Aerospace and Defence (LAAD) show in Rio de Janeiro, learnt that an active integration effort is now underway for both the ROSE Mirage and JF-17 in Pakistan Air Force (PAF) service.

This confirms statements made during the 2010 Farnborough Airshow by the PAF's JF-17 Programme Manager, Air Vice Marshall Mohammad Arif, who identified the MAR-1 as a future JF-17 weapon.

The JF-17 is a co-development project between Pakistan and China. It is now in full production at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), Kamra, where about 30 aircraft have been assembled. In April 2011 the PAF stood up its second JF-17 unit (No 26 Squadron) and a third unit (No.4 Squadron) will follow later this year.

Integration of the MAR-1 with the JF-17 shows that Pakistan has a well-structured programme to expand the capability of the aircraft beyond its Chinese roots. The MAR-1 is the second non-Chinese weapon that the JF-17 is known to be adopting after the Hafr runway penetration bomb. Pakistan has also explored the possibility of adding French avionics (including radar) and weapons (including the Mica air-to-air missile) to the aircraft, but PAF JF-17 programme officials told that those options have been shelved in favour of "less politically complicated projects".

Once operational, the MAR-1 will be the PAF's only modern anti-radiation weapon and a significant boost to its combat capabilities. The missile has several operational modes, but is typically used in a pre-programmed attack against known emitting targets in a lock-on-after-launch engagement. Mectron has developed a dedicated mission planning system for such operations.

The MAR-1 is likely to operate, at least initially, with a 'missile-as-sensor' function, meaning that the weapon's own wideband radio frequency seeker is the primary sensor for emitter location and targeting. The JF-17's Chinese developers certainly have the expertise to produce a more capable emitter location system in the future. The MAR-1 can also use supplementary targeting information from the JF-17's radar warning receivers.

Pakistan has a growing number of electronic intelligence (ELINT) systems with which it can build an electronic order of battle of hostile emitters to support MAR-1 targeting. This includes the highly capable HES-21 ELINT system carried by the PAF's recently delivered Erieye airborne early warning and control aircraft.

The MAR-1 is fully MIL-STD-1553 and -1760 databus compatible. For non databus-equipped aircraft a standalone integration using a dedicated fire-control unit and display can be fitted in the cockpit. That is the approach adopted for Brazil's non-upgraded Embraer AMX (A-1) attack aircraft. The MAR-1 has yet to enter formal FAB service, but understands that qualification flight testing in Brazil will conclude by the end of 2011.

A full-scale model of Mectron's MAR-1 anti-radiation missile, which will add a significant new capability to Pakistan's JF-17 fighters.

 

[Kompromat]

^ Did we get TOT for MAR-1 ?

 

[Safriz]

^ Did we get TOT for MAR-1 ?

Do we need Tot?
Reverse engineering ftw

 

[fatman17]

^ Did we get TOT for MAR-1 ?

i dont think so!

 

[ANG]

Hi, I am hoping that the JF-17 does get an AESA radar soon. Most modern fighter jets have this technology available and/or can be retrofitted with them.

For example, the Gripen NG now has the SELEX Raven ES-05 AESA radar.

http://www.saabgroup.com/en/About-Saab/Newsroom/Press-releases--News/2012---7/Gripen-NG-flying-with-Raven-ES-05-AESA-radar/

 

[fatman17]

Hi, I am hoping that the JF-17 does get an AESA radar soon. Most modern fighter jets have this technology available and/or can be retrofitted with them.

For example, the Gripen NG now has the SELEX Raven ES-05 AESA radar.

Gripen NG flying with Raven ES-05 AESA radar

the chinese AESA is reportedly just as good. in due time.