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Nops, they don't. Israelis don't want them to have such BVR missiles.
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The Americans were even willing to sell the Egyptians F-15s ... but relented on Israeli pressure
As part of the modernization plan, in 2002 Egypt requested 12 F-15E Strike Eagle strike fighter from the US. Israel quickly moved to block the sale, citing that in all Egypt's recent military exercises Israel was the target. The Americans refused to ban the sale of F-15 to Egypt at first but later succumbed to the Israeli pressure when Israel presented evidence that Israel was in fact the "enemy" in all of Egypt's military exercises
Hi, even having AMRAAMs doesn't mean much, as the US has probably loaded them with trojan horses to disable them if necessary. I opened up a thread a few months ago about this, based on an article in the "The Economist" magazine titled, "Something wrong with our chips today".
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/105180-something-wrong-our-chips-today.html
Also getting back to the PAF, the last paragraph in the article below pretty much sums it up. The PAF or any other air force would be dependent on US spares in any future conflict and also probably have kill switch filled equipment.
Looking towards East: Spy chief on a mission to Beijing – The Express Tribune
However, another official said enhanced strategic partnership with China does not necessarily mean that “we want any confrontation with the US.”
“At present we heavily rely on the US military hardware … the Americans are the main suppliers of artillery, gunships and our air defence system,” he said. “The Chinese contribution is also increasing but we cannot afford a complete breakdown of our relationship with the US.”
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/105180-something-wrong-our-chips-today.html
Also getting back to the PAF, the last paragraph in the article below pretty much sums it up. The PAF or any other air force would be dependent on US spares in any future conflict and also probably have kill switch filled equipment.
Looking towards East: Spy chief on a mission to Beijing – The Express Tribune
However, another official said enhanced strategic partnership with China does not necessarily mean that “we want any confrontation with the US.”
“At present we heavily rely on the US military hardware … the Americans are the main suppliers of artillery, gunships and our air defence system,” he said. “The Chinese contribution is also increasing but we cannot afford a complete breakdown of our relationship with the US.”
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nope it does..Israel wont allow it
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i mean it don't have BVRs for f-16..
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i think more then Israeli fact they failed to bargain with uncle sam .egyption f-16 fleet is really interesting at this time 188 f-16s are in action but sitting ducks if israel use there BVR capable against them .hosni make it worse .
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JFT II with AESA and diamond shape nose/IRST plus SD-10B will be a good package for egyptians.
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FC-1/JF-17 Thunder Dragon/Thunder update
Revealed in 1995 as the successor of the cancelled Sino-US Super-7 project, FC-1 (Fighter China-1, max TO weight 12,700kg, max speed 1.8M, service ceiling 16,920m, max weapon load 3,900kg, ferry range 3,480km, combat radius 1,352km, max g load +8.5) is being developed by CAC/611 Institute (with some technical assistance from Russian Mikoyan OKB) as a "medium tech", light weight fighter/ground attack aircraft carrying a relatively cheap price tag (~$20m). As a fighter designed for export, its main customer is expected to be Pakistan who also shares 50% of the total cost (around $150m).
It may also compete with second-hand F-16s to seize the market created by the retirement of Mig-21s, Mirage III and F-5s. Currently powered by a Russian RD-93 turbofan (upgraded RD-33, rated 8,795kg with a/b), it may also be powered by a locally produced WS-13 Taishan if it ever enters the service with PLAAF. An IFR probe may be installed in the future. The A-6 style "V" shaped air-intakes are believed to provide smooth air flow to the engine at high AoA. The fire control radar is thought to be a Chinese KLJ-7 X-band multi-functional PD radar in the initial batches of 8, then subsequently switched to KLJ-10 with a better performance (track 10 engage 2, look-up range 75km, look-down range 45km for RCS=3m2). A European high performance radar (e.g. Italian Vixen 1000ES AESA) has been planned in later batches. Other electronics include an NVG compatible glass cockpit with 3 8"x6" color MFDs, HOTAS, AIFF, 1553B databus and INS/GPS. Weapon load includes both short (PL-5E/PL-9C/AIM-9M) and medium-range AAMs (PL-12/SD-10). LGBs (LT-2/GBU-16), GPS/INS guided bombs (LS-6), anti-radiation missiles (Brazilian MAR-1) and laser designating pod (WMD-7) can also be carried for ground attack missions, C-802A AShM for anti-ship missions. For self-protection purpose a KG300G ECM pod can be carried. The development schedule of FC-1 was repeatedly delayed caused by various problems, such as lack of funding, the reluctance of western countries to supply advanced avionics, as well as the revised specifications set by PAF to counter the threat from India's LCAs. These specifications included a true BVR attack capability with active radar guided medium-range AAMs (SD-10). However, FC-1's prospect in the domestic market was not very promising, as PLAAF had largely committed to the more advanced J-10 as its new generation fighter along with J-11 and was reluctant to take a large number of FC-1s due to its less advanced design and a Russian engine. After lengthy negotiations, Pakistani government finally signed the contract with CATIC and CAC/611 in 1999 and gave the "go ahead" order to the much delayed project.
The development was further accelerated after PAF recommitted the project and confirmed FC-1's technical specifications in detail in February 2001. A full-scale mock-up was quickly constructed. A total of 6 prototypes (01-06) would have been built at CAC. The 01 prototype rolled down the assembly line on May 31, 2003 with two small wing fences. Its maiden flight took place on August 25, 2003. The 03 prototype first flew on April 9, 2004 without the two small wing fences. The 04 prototype was expected to fly by the end of 2005 with full suite of avionics but this was delayed until April 2006 due to several structural modifications. They include new diverterless supersonic inlets (DSI/Bump) similar to those of American F-35 to reduce weight and achieve better performance. A large rectangular-shaped fairing is installed on top of the vertical tailfin which may house ECM equipment. Its flight control includes a Type 634 quadruplex digital FBW in pitch axis and a duplex analog FBW in roll axis. A UV band MAWS has been installed at the root of the vertical tailfin to provide rear hemisphere coverage. Two enlarged F/A-18 style LERX are thought to offer higher AOA as well. The first flight of 04 prototype took place on April 28, 2006, and 06 prototype on September 10, 2006. The first two preproduction JF-17s (Joint Fighter-17, 00 batch/07-101 & 102) were delivered to Pakistan on March 2, 2007, with the nose-tip pitot tube removed. The 01 batch of 6 JF-17s (08-103 -- 08-108) were delivered between March and April 2008. The contract for PAF to acquire 42 JF-17s (mostly assembled by PAC) was singed on March 7, 2009. The first two (09-109 & 110) have been built by CAC. The first JF-17 (09-111) in the batch of 4 assembled by PAC rolled out on November 23, 2009. It was reported in May 2011 that PAF plans to acquire another 50 JF-17s on an "expedited" basis and the negotiation is still ongoing.
Besides Pakistan, several Asian and African countries also expressed interest in FC-1, including Egypt, Bangladesh, Iran, Sri Lanka and Azerbaijan. A two-seat trainer version (JF-17B?) is thought to be under developement and a single-seat ground attack version has been proposed as well. In October 2008 it was rumored that PLAAF might acquire some FC-1s as a low-cost light fighter/attack aircraft to replace its obsolete J-7s and Q-5s but this has not been confirmed. The aircraft passed design appraisal in December 2009. It was reported that Egypt was negotiating with Pakistan in order to locally assemble 48 FC-1s. The first taxi test of FC-1 powered by an indigenous WS-13 took place on March 18, 2010. A recent rumor (March 2011) suggested that an improved version with a stealth optimized forward fuselage (diamond-shaped nose cross section?) is being developed. A prototype may have been flying.
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Revealed in 1995 as the successor of the cancelled Sino-US Super-7 project, FC-1 (Fighter China-1, max TO weight 12,700kg, max speed 1.8M, service ceiling 16,920m, max weapon load 3,900kg, ferry range 3,480km, combat radius 1,352km, max g load +8.5) is being developed by CAC/611 Institute (with some technical assistance from Russian Mikoyan OKB) as a "medium tech", light weight fighter/ground attack aircraft carrying a relatively cheap price tag (~$20m). As a fighter designed for export, its main customer is expected to be Pakistan who also shares 50% of the total cost (around $150m).
It may also compete with second-hand F-16s to seize the market created by the retirement of Mig-21s, Mirage III and F-5s. Currently powered by a Russian RD-93 turbofan (upgraded RD-33, rated 8,795kg with a/b), it may also be powered by a locally produced WS-13 Taishan if it ever enters the service with PLAAF. An IFR probe may be installed in the future. The A-6 style "V" shaped air-intakes are believed to provide smooth air flow to the engine at high AoA. The fire control radar is thought to be a Chinese KLJ-7 X-band multi-functional PD radar in the initial batches of 8, then subsequently switched to KLJ-10 with a better performance (track 10 engage 2, look-up range 75km, look-down range 45km for RCS=3m2). A European high performance radar (e.g. Italian Vixen 1000ES AESA) has been planned in later batches. Other electronics include an NVG compatible glass cockpit with 3 8"x6" color MFDs, HOTAS, AIFF, 1553B databus and INS/GPS. Weapon load includes both short (PL-5E/PL-9C/AIM-9M) and medium-range AAMs (PL-12/SD-10). LGBs (LT-2/GBU-16), GPS/INS guided bombs (LS-6), anti-radiation missiles (Brazilian MAR-1) and laser designating pod (WMD-7) can also be carried for ground attack missions, C-802A AShM for anti-ship missions. For self-protection purpose a KG300G ECM pod can be carried. The development schedule of FC-1 was repeatedly delayed caused by various problems, such as lack of funding, the reluctance of western countries to supply advanced avionics, as well as the revised specifications set by PAF to counter the threat from India's LCAs. These specifications included a true BVR attack capability with active radar guided medium-range AAMs (SD-10). However, FC-1's prospect in the domestic market was not very promising, as PLAAF had largely committed to the more advanced J-10 as its new generation fighter along with J-11 and was reluctant to take a large number of FC-1s due to its less advanced design and a Russian engine. After lengthy negotiations, Pakistani government finally signed the contract with CATIC and CAC/611 in 1999 and gave the "go ahead" order to the much delayed project.
The development was further accelerated after PAF recommitted the project and confirmed FC-1's technical specifications in detail in February 2001. A full-scale mock-up was quickly constructed. A total of 6 prototypes (01-06) would have been built at CAC. The 01 prototype rolled down the assembly line on May 31, 2003 with two small wing fences. Its maiden flight took place on August 25, 2003. The 03 prototype first flew on April 9, 2004 without the two small wing fences. The 04 prototype was expected to fly by the end of 2005 with full suite of avionics but this was delayed until April 2006 due to several structural modifications. They include new diverterless supersonic inlets (DSI/Bump) similar to those of American F-35 to reduce weight and achieve better performance. A large rectangular-shaped fairing is installed on top of the vertical tailfin which may house ECM equipment. Its flight control includes a Type 634 quadruplex digital FBW in pitch axis and a duplex analog FBW in roll axis. A UV band MAWS has been installed at the root of the vertical tailfin to provide rear hemisphere coverage. Two enlarged F/A-18 style LERX are thought to offer higher AOA as well. The first flight of 04 prototype took place on April 28, 2006, and 06 prototype on September 10, 2006. The first two preproduction JF-17s (Joint Fighter-17, 00 batch/07-101 & 102) were delivered to Pakistan on March 2, 2007, with the nose-tip pitot tube removed. The 01 batch of 6 JF-17s (08-103 -- 08-108) were delivered between March and April 2008. The contract for PAF to acquire 42 JF-17s (mostly assembled by PAC) was singed on March 7, 2009. The first two (09-109 & 110) have been built by CAC. The first JF-17 (09-111) in the batch of 4 assembled by PAC rolled out on November 23, 2009. It was reported in May 2011 that PAF plans to acquire another 50 JF-17s on an "expedited" basis and the negotiation is still ongoing.
Besides Pakistan, several Asian and African countries also expressed interest in FC-1, including Egypt, Bangladesh, Iran, Sri Lanka and Azerbaijan. A two-seat trainer version (JF-17B?) is thought to be under developement and a single-seat ground attack version has been proposed as well. In October 2008 it was rumored that PLAAF might acquire some FC-1s as a low-cost light fighter/attack aircraft to replace its obsolete J-7s and Q-5s but this has not been confirmed. The aircraft passed design appraisal in December 2009. It was reported that Egypt was negotiating with Pakistan in order to locally assemble 48 FC-1s. The first taxi test of FC-1 powered by an indigenous WS-13 took place on March 18, 2010. A recent rumor (March 2011) suggested that an improved version with a stealth optimized forward fuselage (diamond-shaped nose cross section?) is being developed. A prototype may have been flying.
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we discuss it many times with them on there forums .jf-17 is trainer and garbage for them they have secret program of mig-1.4 and Cairo-2000 which will be equal to su-35 or f-35 . jft is second gen fighter as per Egyptians .as per them they get mig-1.4 project secretly from russia and now with touch of egyption tech it will be 4.5++++ gen fighter made in egypt .so made in china not fit for there needs .
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a nice video showing the Chinese J-20, J-10 and JF-17 taking off:
these are probably all going flight testing and system integration. this means it most probably will be the new JFT, the Blk-II.
good to see all these beauties together! the J-10 take off time is awesome. .
regards!
these are probably all going flight testing and system integration. this means it most probably will be the new JFT, the Blk-II.
good to see all these beauties together! the J-10 take off time is awesome. .
regards!
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posted before sir you are too late in party
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well i am sorry, just saw a separate thread for it as well as a link in this thread.
for a moment i thought that some of our senior members have missed out on something!
but sir je, TOO Late!! it was only yesterday!
anyways it is a good video and really nice to have a look at these all together. may be, i say just may be PLAAF is also evaluating the latest model of JFT as they might plan to induct.
one thing is for sure! we all will love to see the same combination with a PAF base in background and the beasts to in PAF colors!
this will happen, Inshallah! !
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well i am sorry, just saw a separate thread for it as well as a link in this thread.
for a moment i thought that some of our senior members have missed out on something!
but sir je, TOO Late!! it was only yesterday!
anyways it is a good video and really nice to have a look at these all together. may be, i say just may be PLAAF is also evaluating the latest model of JFT as they might plan to induct.
its ok you can post it dear as we are your students now lolz
china evaluating fc-1 for customers future systems and weapons they are doing it since 2003 sir whats new ?
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