JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 2]

[Salahadin]

Pakistan to start mass production of first modern fighter jet



Islamabad - Pakistan is expected to start producing its first locally built modern fighter jet by the end of this month, joining other countries that manufacture their own combat aircraft, the chief of the country's air force said Saturday. The JF-17 Thunder is a lightweight and multi-role combat aircraft. It was initially a collaborative project between China's Chengdu Aircraft Corporation and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.
The first two aircraft, which were entirely developed in China, were delivered to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) in March 2007.
The following year Pakistan started limited serial production, with plans for full-fledged production after completion of testing and avionics evaluation.
"We will start production of this aircraft from the 30th of this month (June) and, Inshallah (God willing), the first Made in Pakistan JF-17 aircraft will fly in Pakistan's airspace by end of this year," PAF chief Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman said.
The announcement to start mass production of fighter jet comes as Pakistan has been increasingly relying on air power to defeat the Taliban militants in its north-western region.
The air force has been increasingly used to dislodge militants from mountain tops and destroy their hideouts.
"PAF has extensively flown against the militants in Swat as well as in FATA and application of airpower has brought about tangible results," the country's air chief said, addressing a graduation ceremony.
The army and air force have killed nearly 1,600 militants in Swat and its neighbouring three districts since the start of military operations in April.
With the Swat operation nearing its end, Pakistan had announced similar operations in South Waziristan, one of seven tribal districts where militants commander Baitullah Mehsud is based.
Mehsud commands thousands of fighters and had been responsible for numerous suicide attacks, plus the killing of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto in 2007. Since last week's decision to move against Mehsud, the air force has been pounding his hideouts on daily basis.
"This is a new type of warfare, in which PAF has been participating for the first time during the last one year or so in support of the Pakistan army," Suleman said.
The JF-17 is designed to be a cost-effective fighter which can meet the tactical and strategic needs of air forces of developing countries.
Pakistan planned to produce 25 to 30 planes annually.

Pakistan to start mass production of first modern fighter jet : Technology

 

[rizhussain44]

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"Pakistan to start mass production of fighter jets

Islamabad: Pakistan is expected to start mass production of its first locally built modern fighter jet by the end of this month, joining other countries that manufacture their own combat aircraft, the Pakistani Air Force (PAF) chief said on Saturday.
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"We will start production of this aircraft from the 30th of this month (June) and, Insh Allah (God willing), the first Made in Pakistan JF-17 aircraft will fly in Pakistan's airspace by the end of this year," PAF chief Air Chief Marshal Qamar Suleman said.

The JF-17 Thunder is a lightweight and multi-role combat aircraft, a collaborative project between China's Chengdu Aircraft Corp and the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.

The first two aircraft, which were entirely made in China, were delivered to the PAF in March 2007. The following year, Pakistan started limited serial production, with plans for full-fledged production after completion of testing and avionics evaluation.

The announcement on starting mass production of the fighter jet comes as Pakistan has been increasingly relying on air power to defeat the Taliban militants in its northwestern region.

The air force has been increasingly used to dislodge militants from mountain tops and destroy their hideouts.

"PAF has extensively flown against the militants in Swat as well as in FATA and application of airpower has brought about tangible results," the air chief said, addressing a graduation ceremony.

The army and air force have killed nearly 1,600 militants in Swat and its neighbouring two districts since the start of military operations in April.

With the Swat operation nearing its end, Pakistan had announced similar operations in South Waziristan, one of seven tribal districts where Taliban commander Baitullah Mehsud is based.

Mehsud commands thousands of fighters and had been responsible for numerous suicide attacks, plus the killing of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto in 2007. Since last week's decision to move against Mehsud, the air force has been pounding his hideouts on a daily basis.

"This is a new type of warfare, in which PAF has been participating for the first time during the last one year or so in support of the Pakistan Army," Suleman said.

The JF-17 is designed to be a cost-effective fighter which can meet the tactical and strategic needs of air forces of developing countries.
Pakistan plans to produce 25-30 planes annually."


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[Neo]

Pakistan to start mass production of first modern fighter jet ​

Sat, 27 Jun 2009

Islamabad - Pakistan is expected to start producing its first locally built modern fighter jet by the end of this month, joining other countries that manufacture their own combat aircraft, the chief of the country's air force said Saturday. The JF-17 Thunder is a lightweight and multi-role combat aircraft. It was initially a collaborative project between China's Chengdu Aircraft Corporation and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.

The first two aircraft, which were entirely developed in China, were delivered to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) in March 2007.

The following year Pakistan started limited serial production, with plans for full-fledged production after completion of testing and avionics evaluation.

"We will start production of this aircraft from the 30th of this month (June) and, Inshallah (God willing), the first Made in Pakistan JF-17 aircraft will fly in Pakistan's airspace by end of this year," PAF chief Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman said.

The announcement to start mass production of fighter jet comes as Pakistan has been increasingly relying on air power to defeat the Taliban militants in its north-western region.

The air force has been increasingly used to dislodge militants from mountain tops and destroy their hideouts.

"PAF has extensively flown against the militants in Swat as well as in FATA and application of airpower has brought about tangible results," the country's air chief said, addressing a graduation ceremony.

The army and air force have killed nearly 1,600 militants in Swat and its neighbouring three districts since the start of military operations in April.

With the Swat operation nearing its end, Pakistan had announced similar operations in South Waziristan, one of seven tribal districts where militants commander Baitullah Mehsud is based.

Mehsud commands thousands of fighters and had been responsible for numerous suicide attacks, plus the killing of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto in 2007. Since last week's decision to move against Mehsud, the air force has been pounding his hideouts on daily basis.

"This is a new type of warfare, in which PAF has been participating for the first time during the last one year or so in support of the Pakistan army," Suleman said.

The JF-17 is designed to be a cost-effective fighter which can meet the tactical and strategic needs of air forces of developing countries.

Pakistan planned to produce 25 to 30 planes annually.

 

[Imran Khan]

who tests are finish we never see a single air refueling pod fixed on jf-17.first batch is without air refueling capability.?

 

[mean_bird]

who tests are finish we never see a single air refueling pod fixed on jf-17.first batch is without air refueling capability.?

The IFR was supposed to happen from the serial production models -- in other words the plane that is supposed to start manufacturing from next month and not on the SBP models.

Btw, if the Mirages can be fitted with IFR then all JF-17s can be fitted with an IFR at a later stage even if it will be missing for the time being.

 

[anathema]

Pakistan to start mass production of first modern fighter jet ​

Sat, 27 Jun 2009

Islamabad - Pakistan is expected to start producing its first locally built modern fighter jet by the end of this month, joining other countries that manufacture their own combat aircraft, the chief of the country's air force said Saturday. The JF-17 Thunder is a lightweight and multi-role combat aircraft. It was initially a collaborative project between China's Chengdu Aircraft Corporation and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.

The first two aircraft, which were entirely developed in China, were delivered to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) in March 2007.

The following year Pakistan started limited serial production, with plans for full-fledged production after completion of testing and avionics evaluation.

"We will start production of this aircraft from the 30th of this month (June) and, Inshallah (God willing), the first Made in Pakistan JF-17 aircraft will fly in Pakistan's airspace by end of this year," PAF chief Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman said.

The announcement to start mass production of fighter jet comes as Pakistan has been increasingly relying on air power to defeat the Taliban militants in its north-western region.

The air force has been increasingly used to dislodge militants from mountain tops and destroy their hideouts.

"PAF has extensively flown against the militants in Swat as well as in FATA and application of airpower has brought about tangible results," the country's air chief said, addressing a graduation ceremony.

The army and air force have killed nearly 1,600 militants in Swat and its neighbouring three districts since the start of military operations in April.

With the Swat operation nearing its end, Pakistan had announced similar operations in South Waziristan, one of seven tribal districts where militants commander Baitullah Mehsud is based.

Mehsud commands thousands of fighters and had been responsible for numerous suicide attacks, plus the killing of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto in 2007. Since last week's decision to move against Mehsud, the air force has been pounding his hideouts on daily basis.

"This is a new type of warfare, in which PAF has been participating for the first time during the last one year or so in support of the Pakistan army," Suleman said.

The JF-17 is designed to be a cost-effective fighter which can meet the tactical and strategic needs of air forces of developing countries.

Pakistan planned to produce 25 to 30 planes annually.

25 - 30 planes , that's a very good number. In betn which Radar has pakistan decided on JF 17 , there were talks earlier that Pakistan wanted to go with western radars, have they integrated this radar ?

And also is there any website which actually gives the no of tests done of JF 17 like weapons test , etc ... or all the tests happen in china ?

 

[SQ8]

Just spoke to somebody who was on the JF-17 original design team(the first one that went) and he stated that when the team arrived in China they had not even drawn up a basic blue print. 30 Pakistani engineers worked with 300 Chinese to the roll out which is when this team returned and the next replaced them.

 

[Ababeel]

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[PAFAce]

Just spoke to somebody who was on the JF-17 original design team(the first one that went) and he stated that when the team arrived in China they had not even drawn up a basic blue print. 30 Pakistani engineers worked with 300 Chinese to the roll out which is when this team returned and the next replaced them.

Santro, did your source say what kind of projects the 30 Pakistani engineers were involved with? Many like to claim that Pakistan simply funded the JF-17 project, but I know for a fact that there were teams of Pakistani engineers stationed in China helping with the design effort. They were integrated within teams of Chinese engineers, but what I don't know is what exactly they did. For example, was there a Pakistani engineer involved in the systems engineering team or the cockpit design team or the avionics team or verification & validation team etc.? This type of information would be beneficial. The only thing I know for sure is that Pakistan pilots were involved in the prototype demonstration and validation phase. It would be beneficial if you could get more concrete information from your source.

 

[Arsalan]

Santro, did your source say what kind of projects the 30 Pakistani engineers were involved with? Many like to claim that Pakistan simply funded the JF-17 project, but I know for a fact that there were teams of Pakistani engineers stationed in China helping with the design effort. They were integrated within teams of Chinese engineers, but what I don't know is what exactly they did. For example, was there a Pakistani engineer involved in the systems engineering team or the cockpit design team or the avionics team or verification & validation team etc.? This type of information would be beneficial. The only thing I know for sure is that Pakistan pilots were involved in the prototype demonstration and validation phase. It would be beneficial if you could get more concrete information from your source.

tha is what have been stated by now. pakistan surely have played its key role in designing and production of the plane, it was not only the funding but also technical collaboration. On thing is very clear that Pkaistan surely have a much netter insight into the US and european technology and have surely assisted the chines to in corporate some of there features. the DSI intakes may be a possible example!

those who think that Pakistan have noting to do with the development of the plane are completely wrong, even pakistani engineers have assisted the chines in J10 project to make i according to our requirment and that includes lot of modifications!

regards!

 

[Tempest II]

Just spoke to somebody who was on the JF-17 original design team(the first one that went) and he stated that when the team arrived in China they had not even drawn up a basic blue print. 30 Pakistani engineers worked with 300 Chinese to the roll out which is when this team returned and the next replaced them.

I think it is very unusual to replace/swap project engineers in the middle of a project. It would be counter productive. There is a lot of learning that happening during the whole development phase and swapping the team for another one is not efficient. It would be interesting to know why PAF was swapping project teams.

 

[ajpirzada]

Zardari need money for his new palace. Right after the completion of his palace, PAF will start working on this project.

hhaha....... so it only took 10% 6 months to build a palace or was it just for furnishing.

 

[PAFAce]

tha is what have been stated by now. pakistan surely have played its key role in designing and production of the plane, it was not only the funding but also technical collaboration. On thing is very clear that Pkaistan surely have a much netter insight into the US and european technology and have surely assisted the chines to in corporate some of there features. the DSI intakes may be a possible example!

those who think that Pakistan have noting to do with the development of the plane are completely wrong, even pakistani engineers have assisted the chines in J10 project to make i according to our requirment and that includes lot of modifications!

You're right about the fact that Pakistani engineers worked on the aircraft. However, the DSI design on the JF-17 is purely Chinese. They had been conducting research studies regarding DSI technology since the early 1990s, and the Americans knew about it. The first ever plane to fly with DSIs was a modified American F-16, but the JF-17 is the first ever fully operational fighter aircraft to incorporate this technology (since it has beaten the F-35 by at least a-year-and-a-half into operation).

I think it is very unusual to replace/swap project engineers in the middle of a project. It would be counter productive. There is a lot of learning that happening during the whole development phase and swapping the team for another one is not efficient. It would be interesting to know why PAF was swapping project teams.

You're right, changing engineers during design phase can bring in extra problems, but it is not by any means unusual. In fact, most aerospace programs last so long, it is generally broken up into phases. Also, Santro said the engineers were "swapped" at the end of the design phase, before the flight-test phase. I doubt they were "swapped" or "replaced", most likely the new batch of engineers had newer jobs to do, depending on the particular phase they are involved in.

 

[pshamim]

Sorry to deviate from the topic in discussion.

PAF has 4 Test engineers-two British certified and 2 Certified in China. These poor chaps are overwhelmed with the load. Every one of them is a F-16 pilot. This helps in not only testing the new aircraft but also points to any deficiency when compared to F-16 as well.

PAF has been following a smart approach when it comes to which Radar it wants. While we have heard about the KLJ series, there have been some other Chinese redar. PAF wants them to be reduced to one and then put it in a direct competition with other Western candidates. Galileo is putting up a lot of competition among the Western Group.

 

[blain2]

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And someone earlier had said that Pakistani armed forces discriminate against those who wear beards!!!

Sqn Ldr Haider Shahbaz Ali will probably go on to command one of the elite PAF MR sqns as his career progresses. Without a doubt, when one is professionally and technically competent, religious bearing matters little (obviously uprightness matters a lot) in one's progress.

Only 7 pilots and 11 controllers graduated!...CCS really is an elite within an elite!