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I am sure this video might have been posted here before, but I don't understand how he can compare JF-17 to Typhoon (eurofighter) and grippen? I thought they were quite advanced or atleast thats what i have been reading on different sites.

Or maybe as he said, that the next 2 years would be basically spent on upgrading weapons system and testing and so probably with some advanced weapons, it might enhance the capability of the fighter?

Interview with Air Chief Marshal Tanveer on JF-17 Production
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P.S: apparently I can't post the complete url as I'm a newbie here so just add the www before. I reckon this is for users registering for spamming with ads?
 
Here is the update on the fighter. Its a long article and I have only posted updates. One of the source mentioned is defence.pk.

Updates and Key Events

Jan 1/09:
Associated Press of Pakistan quotes Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) chairman Air Marshal Khalid Chaudhry HI (M) T Bt re: the JF-17 project, and PAC’s work more generally. The report was triggered by briefings associated with a visit from Sheikh Aftab Ahmad, head of the Standing Committee of the National Assembly on Defence Production. Air Marshal Chadhry reportedly said that PAC has the capability to manufacture 75% of the JF-17’s avionics, and 58% of its air frame.

The firm is currently deepening its experience and earning revenue by overhauling about 180 aircraft engines and 60 aircraft per year, including work undertaken by PAC’s Mirage rebuild factory that helps maintain Pakistan’s aged Mirage III/V fighters, and refurbishes scrap Mirages from other countries in order to keep overall fleet numbers up. High-tech avionics machinery recently imported “from various developed countries” is extending PACs capacity, and so has a $15 million contract from Boeing for aircraft parts.

Nov 28/08:
Pakistani Ministry of Defence Production Secretary Shahid Siddiq Tirmizi claims that as many as 8 countries have shown interest in buying the JF-17 Thunder fighter. Azerbaijan, Sudan, and Zimbabwe are 3 countries that have been linked to export interest in the past. A Pakistan Defense article widens that potential field to include Algeria, Bangladesh, Egypt, Iran, Lebanon, Malaysia, Morocco, Myanmar, Nigeria, and Sri Lanka. The News International.

Nov 20/08:
Pakistani Chief of Air Staff ACM Tanvir Mahmood Ahmad says that aid the first JF-17 squadron would be inducted into the PAF fleet in the first quarter of 2009.

His accompanying announcement that another 36 high-tech combat aircraft (CF-20, probably a version of China’s J-10) would be inducted into the PAF fleet by 2010 got more attention, however. Pakistan Daily | Pak Tribune.

Stuck in Sichuan: Pakistani JF-17 Program Grounded? No.
 
INTERESTING ARTICLE at Stuck in Sichuan: Pakistani JF-17 Program Grounded? No.

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Back in January 2007, DID wrote:

“The military world has no shortage of irony. The defense industry has its moments too, as Pakistan just discovered. An aircraft whose development was driven by military sanctions from the US and Europe is now derailed by military sanctions. This leaves the Pakistani Air Force dependent on an alternative from… America. Meanwhile, the Chinese are left with no export launch customer for a plane they may now have to reluctantly buy themselves, instead of the favoured and more capable J-10. Somewhere in Delhi, champagne is pouring – but first, a bit of background.”

The arms market also features no shortage of change. The agreement India thought it had, was reversed by Russian autocrat Vladimir Putin. Now Pakistan has begun to take delivery of the new fighters, and is reportedly seeking additional agreements with Western firms for avionics and weapons upgrades. While India’s competing Tejas fighter flounders in search of a long term engine solution, Pakistan has set up a joint JF-17 marketing agency with China to promote export sales, and full production appears to be drawing near…

* The JF-17 Thunder, aka. FC-1 Fierce Dragon
* Stuck in Sichuan: The Saga
* Updates and Key Events [updated]

The JF-17 Thunder, aka. FC-1 Fierce Dragon
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Chinese J-7E
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The JF-17/FC-1 is a sub-$20 million fighter designed as a co-operative venture between Pakistan and China to replace F-7P (MiG-21+) and Mirage 3/5 aircraft in Pakistan’s fleet. China also has options to produce them, but has made no firm decisions and seems unenthusiastic. It’s a comparable peer for India’s still-under-development LCA Tejas, Taiwan’s ****-1 Ching Kuo fighters, and South Korea’s T/A-50 Golden Eagle supersonic trainer & light fighter.

Sino Defense reminds us that the JF-17/FC-1 ‘Xiaolong’ has a long history. The site recalls that China signed a $550 million agreement with Grumman in 1986 to modernise its J-7 fighter (MiG-21 copy) under the “Super-7” upgrade project, with US and British firms competing to provide the engine and avionics. The project was canceled after the Tienanmen Square massacre, but Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation managed to continue the program with its own resources, and the project was re-branded as FC-1 (Fighter China-1).

The next big step forward for FC-1 was when US military export sanctions related to Pakistan’s nuclear program, and to Chinese-Pakistani use of ballistic missile components, led Pakistan to seek help from its Chinese ally. A joint development and production agreement was signed in June 1999, with China Aviation Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) and Pakistan each contributing 50% of the estimated $150 million development costs.

Stuck in Sichuan: The Saga
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PAF F-16A drops Mk.82s
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The Pakistan Government had hoped to sign a deal to acquire 150 JF-17/FC-1 fighters in 2007, with 8 aircraft in service by year’s end. China had reportedly even bought 100 Klimov RD-93 engines from Russia for installing on JF-17s, with an option to contract for another 400 engines.

In January 2007, however, Forecast International reported that Russia had just refused permission for the transfer of its RD-93 engines, derived from the RD-33 that equips the MiG-29. According to FI the decision came only a few days after a visit to India by Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov, during which a number of joint defense projects were discussed and agreements were signed. These include the MRTA transport aircraft, and reportedly a “5th generation fighter” project, even as the MiG-29OVT/MiG-35 is touted as the likely winner of the multi-billion MRCA fighter contract.

Coincidence? Didn’t look like it. Replacement with another engine? Unless it’s a very close copy, that requires re-work of the entire fighter design and takes years. Just ask the Chinese J-10 project team.

As it turned out, however, that wasn’t necessary. Russia authorized re-export of the RD-93 engines, in an announcement that caught even India’s diplomats by surprise.

Updates and Key Events
AIR FC-1 JF-17 Below
Lift-off?
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Jan 1/09: Associated Press of Pakistan quotes Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) chairman Air Marshal Khalid Chaudhry HI (M) T Bt re: the JF-17 project, and PAC’s work more generally. The report was triggered by briefings associated with a visit from Sheikh Aftab Ahmad, head of the Standing Committee of the National Assembly on Defence Production. Air Marshal Chadhry reportedly said that PAC has the capability to manufacture 75% of the JF-17’s avionics, and 58% of its air frame.

The firm is currently deepening its experience and earning revenue by overhauling about 180 aircraft engines and 60 aircraft per year, including work undertaken by PAC’s Mirage rebuild factory that helps maintain Pakistan’s aged Mirage III/V fighters, and refurbishes scrap Mirages from other countries in order to keep overall fleet numbers up. High-tech avionics machinery recently imported “from various developed countries” is extending PACs capacity, and so has a $15 million contract from Boeing for aircraft parts.

Nov 28/08: Pakistani Ministry of Defence Production Secretary Shahid Siddiq Tirmizi claims that as many as 8 countries have shown interest in buying the JF-17 Thunder fighter. Azerbaijan, Sudan, and Zimbabwe are 3 countries that have been linked to export interest in the past. A Pakistan Defense article widens that potential field to include Algeria, Bangladesh, Egypt, Iran, Lebanon, Malaysia, Morocco, Myanmar, Nigeria, and Sri Lanka. The News International.

Nov 20/08: Pakistani Chief of Air Staff ACM Tanvir Mahmood Ahmad says that aid the first JF-17 squadron would be inducted into the PAF fleet in the first quarter of 2009.

His accompanying announcement that another 36 high-tech combat aircraft (CF-20, probably a version of China’s J-10) would be inducted into the PAF fleet by 2010 got more attention, however. Pakistan Daily | Pak Tribune.

April 11/08: Jane’s Defence Weekly reports that:

“Pakistan and China have established a joint marketing organisation to promote international sales of their JF-17 ‘Thunder’ fighter aircraft, the head of the main Pakistani arms export agency has told Jane’s. Major General Muhammad Farooq, director general of Pakistan’s Defence Export Promotion Organisation (DEPO), described the JF-17 in early April as an ideal “choice for countries which are mindful of their finances.”

March 19/08: An article in Pakistan Defence claims that the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) now has 8 JF-17 Thunder aircraft, after 6 more planes were recieved this March. All 8 will be used for testing testing and evaluation; the aircraft hasn’t been formally inducted into service yet.

Serial production has begun, and Pakistan’s Air Cheif Marshal reportedly said that about 60% of the airframe and 80% of the avionics would be manufactured in Pakistan by 2010, with production capacity rising to 25 aircraft per year by 2011. If true, it seems likely that deals with significant industrial offsets may be in the cards, as the article also claims that negotiations have begun with British, Italian, and French defence firms over potential avionics and other systems; France has reportedly offered its RC-400 radar and MBDA MICA missile.

Finally, the article claims that that:

“Thirteen countries have so far expressed interest in purchasing the JF-17 aircraft are Azerbaijan, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Egypt, Iran, Lebanon, Malaysia, Morocco, Nigeria, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Sudan.”

Jan 22/08: According to India Defence, Pakistan’s national TV reports that it has begun in-country manufacturing of the JF-17 fighter. About half of the on-board equipment and avionics will be manufactured in Kamra, Pakistan, with the rest coming from China.

PakAF Chief of Air Staff Ahmed reportedly committed to 15 aircraft built in 2008 and 20 in 2009, with the goal of building 25-30 per year.
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FC-1/ JF-17
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Nov 13/07: Jane’s Defense Weekly quotes Pakistani Chief of Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mahmood Ahmed as saying that the Pakistan Air Force will have an operational capability with JF-17 Thunder light fighter aircraft by the end of 2008, and expects to have its first 8 aircraft under a “small batch order” within the next few months.

“Speaking to Jane’s at the Dubai Air Show on 12 November, ACM Ahmed dismissed concerns over the Russian RD-93 engine that powers the joint Sino-Pakistan aircraft as “an issue created from here and there.”

April 26/07: India may need to hold that champagne, in the wake of recent reports. India Defence relays a report from the Russian newspaper Kommersant, which said that Vladimir Putin himself had personally supervised and signed a “Sino-Russian Fighter Assembly Agreement” which included joint assembly of JF-17 fighter aircraft with RD-93 engines, and their supply to third countries. Kommersant added that:

“This permission will enable the supply of 150 Chinese JF-17 fighter aircrafts to Pakistan, and help implement the contract for the supply of Russian engines worth USD 238 million.”

Kommersant added that “the permission does not imply Pakistan’s inclusion in the list of countries with which Russia has direct military-technical cooperation.” The question is whether Russian military-technical cooperation would be required under the Sino-Russian agreement. Meanwhile, the Indians appear to have been blindsided. The Press Counsellor of the Indian Embassy in Moscow Ramesh Chandra told Kommersant that “the Embassy was not aware” of the permission for re-export.
See India Defence article.

March 2007: China delivers a pair of JF-17 fighters equipped with Russian-made RD-93 engines to Pakistan, prompting Indian protests that claim a violation of the end-user agreement between Russia and China.
 
JF-17 is a fourth generation fighter

whereas Eurofighter Typhon, Saab Gripen, Dassault Rafale, F-16 Block 52 etc. are the 4.5 Generation fighters
 
Examples of fourth generation aircraft

Aircraft that entered service

•France
oDassault Mirage 2000

• Japan /United States
oMitsubishi F-2

•People's Republic of China:
oShenyang J-8H/F
oXian JH-7A

•People's Republic of China /Pakistan
oJF-17 Thunder

•Republic of China
oAIDC ****-1 Ching-kuo

•Russia /People's Republic of China
oShenyang J-11A

•Soviet Union
oMikoyan MiG-29
oMikoyan MiG-31
oSukhoi Su-27

• United Kingdom
oPanavia Tornado ADV

•United States:
oGrumman F-14 Tomcat
oMcDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle
oGeneral Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon
oMcDonnell Douglas F/A-18 Hornet

Cancelled aircraft

•Argentina: FMA SAIA 90
•Brazil: Embraer MFT-LF
•France: Dassault Mirage 4000
•Israel: IAI Lavi

•People's Republic of China:
oChengdu J-9
oShenyang J-13

•Poland: PZL-230 Skorpion
•Romania: IAR 95
•South Africa: Atlas CAVA
•Soviet Union: Yakovlev Yak-141
•Switzerland: ALR Piranha

•United States:
oF-20 Tigershark
oYF-17 Cobra
•Yugoslavia: Novi Avion

"Fourth and half" generation

Aircraft that entered service

•France:
oDassault Rafale

•People's Republic of China
oChengdu J-10
oShenyang J-11B

•Russia
oSukhoi Su-34
oMiG-29ME
oMikoyan MiG-35
oSukhoi Su-30/33/35/37 (Su-27 Derivatives)

•Russia /India
oSukhoi Su-30MKI

•Russia /People's Republic of China
oSukhoi Su-30MKK/MK2/MK3

•Sweden
oSaab JAS 39 Gripen

•United Kingdom /Germany /Italy /Spain
oEurofighter Typhoon

•United States
oF-15E Strike Eagle/F-15K/F-15SG
oF/A-18E/F Super Hornet
oF-16 Block 50/52 and later models

Cancelled aircraft

• United States
oF-16XL (cancelled)

Fifth generation aircraft

In service

•United States
oLockheed Martin / Boeing F-22 Raptor (maiden flight achieved 1997)

In production

•United States / United Kingdom
oLockheed Martin / Northrop Grumman / BAE F-35 Lightning II / JCA (low rate production 2008)

In development

• India
oMedium Combat Aircraft (maiden flight expected 2012)

• South Korea
oKFX

• People's Republic of China
oShenyang J-XX

•Russia and India
oSukhoi PAK FA and Sukhoi/HAL FGFA (maiden flight expected in 2009)

Technology demonstrators

•Japan
oMitsubishi ATD-X (maiden flight expected 2014)

•Russia

oSukhoi Su-47 Berkut (maiden flight achieved 1997)
oMikoyan Project 1.44 'Flatpack' (maiden flight achieved 2000)

•United States

oLockheed Martin YF-22 Lightning II (maiden flight achieved 1990)
oNorthrop YF-23 Black Widow II (maiden flight achieved 1990)
oBoeing Bird of Prey (maiden flight achieved 1996)
oMcDonnell Douglas X-36 (maiden flight achieved 1997)
oLockheed Martin X-35 (maiden flight achieved 2000)
oBoeing X-32 JSF (maiden flight for X-32A was achieved 2000, X-32B STOVL version maiden flight 2001)
 
sir mer sawal is jf17

jf17 complete tu pakistan ne nahi banye or agra jiont he tu kon se parts o which parts we make

in vedeo s ay wing talis orziontal veicl so means others part chine make s us ???????????

:hitwall:
 
JF-17 is a joint project of pakistan and china and the good thing about this plane is that it is a made to order plane. which means it is designed to accomodate most of the latest engines and accessories available in the market. The JF-17/FC-1 is designed to be a cost-effective plane which can meet the tactical and strategic needs of air forces of developing countries.

The first 50 JF-17s entering Pakistan Air Force (PAF) service will only incorporate Chinese avionics and weapon systems. Subsequent upgrades will be made on PAF JF-17s every five years, planned additions include Infra-Red Search & Track (IRST), In-Flight Refueling (IFR) and possibly engine change from the Russian RD-93 to Chinese WS-13 and maybe some minor stealth features.
Beyond the initial 50 PAF JF-17s, the remaining may be equipped with European avionics and radars. Pakistan had begun negotiations with British and Italian defence firms over potential avionics and ECM/EW systems for JF-17. In fact, one of the radar options for JF-17 is the Italian Grifo S7.

The JF-17 is primarily an export-oriented fighter, thus it can be built according a customer's specifications and use a variety of Chinese and Western weapon systems.
These include air-to-air Beyond Visual Range missiles (BVRs) and air to ground weaponry. In addition to unguided bombs and rockets, the aircraft can deploy a wide range of precision guided munitions. The Russian BAK series of laser guided bombs need an special adapter rails for use on the JF-17

All weapon systems are designed to be compatible with both Western systems (ie. supporting MIL-STD-1760 data bus), Chinese systems and Pakistani systems as well. A total of 3,629 kg (8,000 lb) of ordnance can be loaded on the JF-17 Thunder.

During the prototype stage a number of radar systems were tested for both production and possible export versions, a number of other radars have also being considered for export versions of the aircraft.
It has been disclosed by PAF Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mahmood Ahmed that the supplied JF-17s to Pakistan have KLJ-7 radars.

The software of JF-17 totaled more than one million lines of instructions, incorporating the concept of open architecture. Instead of using the common Ada, the JF-17 software is written in C++ instead. The reason for using C++ instead of Ada was due to practice of the commercial off-the-shelf to better utilize the large number of civilian software programmers available. The avionics of JF-17 prototypes was based on Motorola 88000 microprocessor originally, but can be changed to other types of the same class. The 4th prototype includes advanced avionics features.

Azerbaijan and Zimbabwe have each placed orders as well. 9 other countries which have expressed interest in purchasing the JF-17 are Bangladesh, Burma (Myanmar), Egypt, Iran, Lebanon, Malaysia, Morocco, Nigeria and Sri Lanka, plus Algeria, which has reversed the decision of opting the latest MiG-29UBS.
 
Examples of fourth generation aircraft

Aircraft that entered service

•France
oDassault Mirage 2000

• Japan /United States
oMitsubishi F-2

•People's Republic of China:
oShenyang J-8H/F
oXian JH-7A

•People's Republic of China /Pakistan
oJF-17 Thunder

•Republic of China
oAIDC ****-1 Ching-kuo

•Russia /People's Republic of China
oShenyang J-11A

•Soviet Union
oMikoyan MiG-29
oMikoyan MiG-31
oSukhoi Su-27

• United Kingdom
oPanavia Tornado ADV

•United States:
oGrumman F-14 Tomcat
oMcDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle
oGeneral Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon
oMcDonnell Douglas F/A-18 Hornet

Cancelled aircraft

•Argentina: FMA SAIA 90
•Brazil: Embraer MFT-LF
•France: Dassault Mirage 4000
•Israel: IAI Lavi

•People's Republic of China:
oChengdu J-9
oShenyang J-13

•Poland: PZL-230 Skorpion
•Romania: IAR 95
•South Africa: Atlas CAVA
•Soviet Union: Yakovlev Yak-141
•Switzerland: ALR Piranha

•United States:
oF-20 Tigershark
oYF-17 Cobra
•Yugoslavia: Novi Avion

"Fourth and half" generation

Aircraft that entered service

•France:
oDassault Rafale

•People's Republic of China
oChengdu J-10
oShenyang J-11B

•Russia
oSukhoi Su-34
oMiG-29ME
oMikoyan MiG-35
oSukhoi Su-30/33/35/37 (Su-27 Derivatives)

•Russia /India
oSukhoi Su-30MKI

•Russia /People's Republic of China
oSukhoi Su-30MKK/MK2/MK3

•Sweden
oSaab JAS 39 Gripen

•United Kingdom /Germany /Italy /Spain
oEurofighter Typhoon

•United States
oF-15E Strike Eagle/F-15K/F-15SG
oF/A-18E/F Super Hornet
oF-16 Block 50/52 and later models

Cancelled aircraft

• United States
oF-16XL (cancelled)

Fifth generation aircraft

In service

•United States
oLockheed Martin / Boeing F-22 Raptor (maiden flight achieved 1997)

In production

•United States / United Kingdom
oLockheed Martin / Northrop Grumman / BAE F-35 Lightning II / JCA (low rate production 2008)

In development

• India
oMedium Combat Aircraft (maiden flight expected 2012)

• South Korea
oKFX

• People's Republic of China
oShenyang J-XX

•Russia and India
oSukhoi PAK FA and Sukhoi/HAL FGFA (maiden flight expected in 2009)

Technology demonstrators

•Japan
oMitsubishi ATD-X (maiden flight expected 2014)

•Russia

oSukhoi Su-47 Berkut (maiden flight achieved 1997)
oMikoyan Project 1.44 'Flatpack' (maiden flight achieved 2000)

•United States

oLockheed Martin YF-22 Lightning II (maiden flight achieved 1990)
oNorthrop YF-23 Black Widow II (maiden flight achieved 1990)
oBoeing Bird of Prey (maiden flight achieved 1996)
oMcDonnell Douglas X-36 (maiden flight achieved 1997)
oLockheed Martin X-35 (maiden flight achieved 2000)
oBoeing X-32 JSF (maiden flight for X-32A was achieved 2000, X-32B STOVL version maiden flight 2001)

can you please verify the source of htis information

from where have you collected this data?
 
sir mer sawal is jf17

jf17 complete tu pakistan ne nahi banye or agra jiont he tu kon se parts o which parts we make

in vedeo s ay wing talis orziontal veicl so means others part chine make s us ???????????

:hitwall:

why not you simply serch on net or jf-17 official site.its confidential whats we make we can't tall more on its from sir murad.:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:
 
why not you simply serch on net or jf-17 official site.its confidential whats we make we can't tall more on its from sir murad.:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

imran khan whats up with your attitude? you dont have to answer with same tone over and over again. what HASANITALIA has asked is a vaild question which even pakdef think tank have not been able to answer aswell.
 
Don't try to act like a mod!
Consider this a warning!

thankyou, its nice to know that the seniors do care about the attutude and enviorment of the forum,

thankyou sir!
 
One of the reason the F-16 became such a huge success, in my opinion, is because it had a lot of potential for upgrades. It kept getting better and deadlier as time went on, particularly because of advancements in Electrical Engineering. As an engineering student, I understand that this outstanding achievement is not a fluke, rather, this characteristic of the F-16 of 'getting better with time' must have been one of General Dynamics primary objectives while designing the plane.

From all that I have read and understood about the JF-17, it, too, seems to have been designed along the same lines. Does this mean, then, that the JF-17 is poised to have as illustrious a career as the F-16 is having? Or, is it too late for a new 4th Gen aircraft to be as successful as the F-16 due to the dawn of the new, stealth generation?
 
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