JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

[denel]

FYI @denel this is what I had been saying all along:


https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jf-17-emerged-as-the-star-of-swift-retort.677399/

From my knowledge jf-17s are not equiped for jamming; that is where falcons are for.

 

[Armchair]

From my knowledge jf-17s are not equiped for jamming; that is where falcons are for.

Yes, they have built in EW capability. They broke locks and locked on to the Mirages. Please see link. I believe part of the equipment is from Portugal or Spain but trying to remember from memory here.

 

[denel]

Yes, they have built in EW capability. They broke locks and locked on to the Mirages. Please see link. I believe part of the equipment is from Portugal or Spain but trying to remember from memory here.

Are you refering to Indra? I do not recall it being noted as operational.

 

[Armchair]

Are you refering to Indra? I do not recall it being noted as operational.

I don't think PAF declares operational status of subsystems, unless its something really strategic and has a political message to send.

 

[denel]

I don't think PAF declares operational status of subsystems, unless its something really strategic and has a political message to send.

noted but Indra is ECM not EW.

 

[Armchair]

noted but Indra is ECM not EW.

ECM - Electronic Counter Measures is by definition a form of EW (Electronic Warfare). To what extent the EW suite of the JF-17 is able to cancel locks depends on the effectiveness of the overall techincal capabilities of the subsystems involved - including Indra.

 

[denel]

ECM - Electronic Counter Measures is by definition a form of EW (Electronic Warfare). To what extent the EW suite of the JF-17 is able to cancel locks depends on the effectiveness of the overall techincal capabilities of the subsystems involved - including Indra.

For those of us in this field of work, they are two seperate areas.

 

[Deino]

B3 are coming.... View attachment 655249

Actually I don't think this has necessarily to be a Block 3. It could well be just a regular Block 2 ... and given that Eva Zheng/SCMP is not the most reliable source I would wait.

 

[Ali_Baba]

B3 are coming.... View attachment 655249

That is an old picture, seen many times before... ..

 

[UniverseWatcher]

RD-93MA Engine, to Power Pakistan JF-17 Block III Jets, Enters Thermal Chamber Tests

RD-93MA engine (for JF-17 Jet) Undergoing Tests
A new engine for the Pakistani JF-17 fighter jet, dubbed RD-93MA being developed by Russia’s United Engine Corporation (UEC)-Klimov has entered thermal chamber tests to confirm high-speed characteristics in simulated flight conditions.

The RD-93MA has been specifically developed to power single engine light fighter jets. It is an upgrade of the RD-93 engine which currently powers the Pakistani JF-17/Chinese Chengdu FC-1 single engine fighter jets.

With the successful completion of the thermal chamber test stage, it will be possible to proceed to flight design tests. A set of tests in the TsIAM large thermal pressure chamber will be held as part of the experimental design work on the RD-93MA, a UEC statement said today.

During the tests, the engine will simulate conditions as close as possible to actual flight. Here, the BARK-93MA, the automatic control system of the engine, designed and manufactured at UEC-Klimov, will also be put to test.

The thrust of the RD-93MA is expected to 9300 Kgf compared to 8300 kgf of the RD-93, a significant bump-up in power which will help the JF-17/FC-1 to carry more armaments and fly at a higher speed (this information is not from UEC but earlier published sources).

“The RD-93MA engine is distinguished by improved operational characteristics, increased thermodynamic parameters, a larger fan and an upgraded automatic power plant control system. The main engine parameters are also enhanced- the assigned resource and thrust, an emergency engine start mode is provided, and the possibility of emergency fuel drain is realized.” the statement said.

JF-17 Thunder Aircraft of Pakistan Air Force
“All this is due to the specifics associated with the possible use of the power plant on a single-engine aircraft, which entails additional safety requirements,” the statement added leaving no doubt as to its potential applications for an foreign customer as Russia does not possess a single-engine fighter jet.

“The start of testing was preceded by a long preparatory phase. During 2018-2019 design documentation was handed over to manufacturing plants, production was organized in a new cooperation structure, engine models of the RD-93MA were developed and a new engine "harness" was manufactured. In addition, tests of the VK-100-1MK turbo-starter in the TsIAM heat chamber according to confirmation of high-altitude launch were conducted. Prototypes of the BARK-93MA (automatic engine control system) were made and much more,” the statement said.

The JF-17 block III, a highly advanced version of the JF-17 Block II, was test flown for the first time at the start of this year. Besides the engine, the key upgrade is an AESA- Active electronically scanning array- radar which has already been selected from a Chinese manufacturer.

Earlier reports said the RD-93MA engine will be directly sold to Pakistan. However, sources told defenseworld.net that the engine upgrade work is under contract from a Chinese company for which over 100 such engines is to be manufactured.

The engine is expected to enter fight test mode towards the end of the year which means the JF-17 Block III would enter flight tests with the RD-93MA engine sometime in 2021-22 at the earliest.

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/2...ts__Enters_Thermal_Chamber_Tests#.Xxybm55KhjU

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

From my knowledge jf-17s are not equiped for jamming; that is where falcons are for.

PAF can integrate ASELSAN MEHPOD for EW purposes like the way they did with ASELPOD for ground attacks...

 

[nadeemkhan110]

RD-93MA Engine, to Power Pakistan JF-17 Block III Jets, Enters Thermal Chamber Tests

RD-93MA engine (for JF-17 Jet) Undergoing Tests
A new engine for the Pakistani JF-17 fighter jet, dubbed RD-93MA being developed by Russia’s United Engine Corporation (UEC)-Klimov has entered thermal chamber tests to confirm high-speed characteristics in simulated flight conditions.

The RD-93MA has been specifically developed to power single engine light fighter jets. It is an upgrade of the RD-93 engine which currently powers the Pakistani JF-17/Chinese Chengdu FC-1 single engine fighter jets.

With the successful completion of the thermal chamber test stage, it will be possible to proceed to flight design tests. A set of tests in the TsIAM large thermal pressure chamber will be held as part of the experimental design work on the RD-93MA, a UEC statement said today.

During the tests, the engine will simulate conditions as close as possible to actual flight. Here, the BARK-93MA, the automatic control system of the engine, designed and manufactured at UEC-Klimov, will also be put to test.

The thrust of the RD-93MA is expected to 9300 Kgf compared to 8300 kgf of the RD-93, a significant bump-up in power which will help the JF-17/FC-1 to carry more armaments and fly at a higher speed (this information is not from UEC but earlier published sources).

“The RD-93MA engine is distinguished by improved operational characteristics, increased thermodynamic parameters, a larger fan and an upgraded automatic power plant control system. The main engine parameters are also enhanced- the assigned resource and thrust, an emergency engine start mode is provided, and the possibility of emergency fuel drain is realized.” the statement said.

JF-17 Thunder Aircraft of Pakistan Air Force
“All this is due to the specifics associated with the possible use of the power plant on a single-engine aircraft, which entails additional safety requirements,” the statement added leaving no doubt as to its potential applications for an foreign customer as Russia does not possess a single-engine fighter jet.

“The start of testing was preceded by a long preparatory phase. During 2018-2019 design documentation was handed over to manufacturing plants, production was organized in a new cooperation structure, engine models of the RD-93MA were developed and a new engine "harness" was manufactured. In addition, tests of the VK-100-1MK turbo-starter in the TsIAM heat chamber according to confirmation of high-altitude launch were conducted. Prototypes of the BARK-93MA (automatic engine control system) were made and much more,” the statement said.

The JF-17 block III, a highly advanced version of the JF-17 Block II, was test flown for the first time at the start of this year. Besides the engine, the key upgrade is an AESA- Active electronically scanning array- radar which has already been selected from a Chinese manufacturer.

Earlier reports said the RD-93MA engine will be directly sold to Pakistan. However, sources told defenseworld.net that the engine upgrade work is under contract from a Chinese company for which over 100 such engines is to be manufactured.

The engine is expected to enter fight test mode towards the end of the year which means the JF-17 Block III would enter flight tests with the RD-93MA engine sometime in 2021-22 at the earliest.

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/2...ts__Enters_Thermal_Chamber_Tests#.Xxybm55KhjU

So with this heavy duty engine can we install a radar with rage of +200 km so will be able to use pl-15 (200 to 300km range missiles) with jf-17 without using AWACS.

 

[raahaat7]

While it is good, I think PAC must start putting gentle pressure for local assembly and repair with some offsets. This would give us the satart of industry for =engines in pakistan and we can then look at how to improve things further.
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The RD-93MA engine will be sold directly to Pakistan. However, according to sources, the upgrade of the engine was carried out in accordance with a contract of a Chinese company. According to the contract, the Russian side will manufacture more than 100 RD-93MA engines.

The engine is expected to enter combat test mode at the end of the year, which means that the JF-17 "Fierce Dragon" Block III will enter the flight test of the RD-93MA engine as early as 2021-2022.

CHINESE NEWS
https://mil.news.sina.com.cn/zhengming/2020-07-10/doc-iirczymm1627992.shtml

Which means a delayed b3!! But can it be afforded with a war looming on the head?

 

[Thorough Pro]

Even guessing requires some critical thinking, people are just winging it

Nothing is puzzling.
People are just guessing no reason and creating confusion

 

[nomi007]

I hope PAF is also monitoring Hornet Block 3 development. and our block 3 will also have the same features.