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Featured JF-17 Emerged As The Star of Swift Retort

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  1. Windjammer

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    Some new revelations have emerged regarding PAF operation Swift Retort.
    Albeit, both the kills on 27th February 2019 were achieved by the F-16s engaged in fighter sweep mission but the real star of the whole operation turned out to be the JF-17 Thunder in both the ground strikes and fighter sweep activities.
    Initially the Thunders strike package went in with it's own escort and delivered it's cargo by engaging Indian ground targets. The F-16s remained in Pakistani air space and zapped the SU-30 that was vectored towards the strike package. However what transpired after that was the highlight of the battle when another formation of SU-30s and Mirage-2000s tried to engage the JF-17 formation which was part of the escort, it was a classic engagement as the Thunders repeatedly broke the lock and the IAF formation found itself cornered by being locked by Thunders that were on fighter sweep mission. This was a classic ambush engagement that despite several attempts the IAF pilots were unable to break the lock and instead asked Indian ground defences to engage the PAF jets who in process shot down their own helicopter which in fact was sent out on SAR mission for downed SU-30 pilots.
     
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    From what i have heard, the main issue with MKI's electronics are the compatibility issues, western hardware is installed on russian machine, but it is unable to perform to its full capability. On one hand it does boast machines capability on paper but when tested in actual performance, it fails to meet the mark.
     
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    Pardon me sir, I have one question? It would have been better if they have allowed one shot for the jf-17 as if it has a lock on su-30s? that would have been the best promotion for the JF-17 platform? Why they didn't go for it? any reason?
     
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    Israelis did a bad job of patching up electronics onto MKI?
     
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    It was war, not a beauty contest. Decisions have to be made very quickly.

    Pakistan was attacked a day earlier and Pakistan swiftly retaliated, punishing the enemy into submission, unable to engage with the PAF thereafter until Rafales arrival.
     
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    French made it even worse...............
     
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    or Maybe the locked one aircraft was in Indian territory so they didn't go for it? just my speculation
     
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    Israelis are more connected to MKI, they were present there on the fateful day.
     
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    There was much heated debate within PAF after this as there were seven IAF aircraft that were sitting ducks....but the higher ups didn't give clearance.....shooting them all would have had same effect as that by Rafiqui and Bhati did on the opening engagement of 1965 war.....at least some of IAF fleet would have been grounded.
     
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    @Israelis did a bad job of patching up electronics onto MKI?
    they did their best for them for Indians and as well as for Pakistan. They sold their products and did patch up work to integrate these with Russian planes. It were Indians who could not verify these and take advantage of. For Pakistan and China, they offered an opportunity to break the Myth of mighty MKI into a mole for the world to watch.
     
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    Sir, Atleast one killed should have been allowed to JF-17 that would be a real treat for us. :(
     
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    They were IDF. I am talking of Sextant Avionique (now Thales Avionics).
     
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    Some stories are meant to be written at their time. Allah willing, Rafiqui and Bhatis will surface again when they will annihilate IAF during the war when India cannot fix its gap anymore.
     
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    Bhai! That wasn't a window shopping day neither it was supposed to bag kills. Active battle scenario with total application or ROEs that falls with all the points for PAF. Don't you see that IAF lost on every level, from ROEs to Engagement.

    Why the clearance was not given, I am sure that wasn't a mere choice of personal likes or dislikes. When such decisions are made in split seconds, they comes after the best of considerations & evaluation of lot of factors. Indeed, 7 to 9 kills could have been made or may be less but what has to happen then-after? May be the plan was to teach a lesson without much killings on that side. At- least, we have seen the affects. You just let few of them to live and you know what will they tell at home base? What will be their psychological affect since then? and how all of them will feel on next engagement? I am just counting few while there could be lot of achievements for psychological warfare. Indian side claimed their violation as a targeted operation against so-called specific camps or whatever and PAF did the same thing within the same rule being set by India that to target specific locations with a message to not to violate Airspace and also, shooting down 2 of them to make them fear PAF that it could be done as well. Indians set the rule and PAF did lot better but in even manners.
     
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