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JF-17 is an unstable design from the beginning.
Unlikely due to PAF wanting a fighter to easily start aviation industry in Pakistan. If you could provide some proof it will be gratefully accepted.
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it did fly in November 2019 with an engine i suspect.


may i dare as well to say the photos and video you saw labelled as first test flight were actually....not first flight.. for one simple reason.....no body in world would dare to bring such a crowd for them to see the plane fail to fly or crash....it has been flying for couple of months at that point its safe to assume
Did the flight just indicate fixed design parameters. Engine could have been RD93. Slight delay could be both with regards to AESA being certified for use on JFT and testing plus waiting fornewer engines. The other way maybe to fly this plane with older 93 and await the arrival of MA. Depends on the need and if "other fighters" canbe intevrated in the interim.
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The induction of RD93MA is not decided overnight but it was well planned in time of first ordered as mentioned in the page no 16 of Klimov's annual report in 2013. "Order of upto 400 units for FC1 China, RD93MA in 2020".
So PAF is well aware of the timeline and RD93MA will be retrofit with Block3. View attachment 649157
Just as i thought. Thank you.
Regards
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RD-93MA Engine, to Power Pakistan JF-17 Block III Jets, Enters Thermal Chamber Tests
  • Our Bureau
  • 01:58 PM, July 8, 2020
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RD-93MA engine (for JF-17 Jet) Undergoing Tests
A new engine for the Pakistani JF-17 fighter jet, dubbed RD-93MA being developed by Russia’s United Engine Corporation (UEC)-Klimov has entered thermal chamber tests to confirm high-speed characteristics in simulated flight conditions.

The RD-93MA has been specifically developed to power single engine light fighter jets. It is an upgrade of the RD-93 engine which currently powers the Pakistani JF-17/Chinese Chengdu FC-1 single engine fighter jets.

With the successful completion of the thermal chamber test stage, it will be possible to proceed to flight design tests. A set of tests in the TsIAM large thermal pressure chamber will be held as part of the experimental design work on the RD-93MA, a UEC statement said today.

During the tests, the engine will simulate conditions as close as possible to actual flight. Here, the BARK-93MA, the automatic control system of the engine, designed and manufactured at UEC-Klimov, will also be put to test.

The thrust of the RD-93MA is expected to 9300 Kgf compared to 8300 kgf of the RD-93, a significant bump-up in power which will help the JF-17/FC-1 to carry more armaments and fly at a higher speed (this information is not from UEC but earlier published sources).

The RD-93MA engine is distinguished by improved operational characteristics, increased thermodynamic parameters, a larger fan and an upgraded automatic power plant control system. The main engine parameters are also enhanced- the assigned resource and thrust, an emergency engine start mode is provided, and the possibility of emergency fuel drain is realized.” the statement said.


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JF-17 Thunder Aircraft of Pakistan Air Force
All this is due to the specifics associated with the possible use of the power plant on a single-engine aircraft, which entails additional safety requirements,the statement added leaving no doubt as to its potential applications for an foreign customer as Russia does not possess a single-engine fighter jet.

“The start of testing was preceded by a long preparatory phase. During 2018-2019 design documentation was handed over to manufacturing plants, production was organized in a new cooperation structure, engine models of the RD-93MA were developed and a new engine "harness" was manufactured. In addition, tests of the VK-100-1MK turbo-starter in the TsIAM heat chamber according to confirmation of high-altitude launch were conducted. Prototypes of the BARK-93MA (automatic engine control system) were made and much more,” the statement said.

The JF-17 block III, a highly advanced version of the JF-17 Block II, was test flown for the first time at the start of this year. Besides the engine, the key upgrade is an AESA- Active electronically scanning array- radar which has already been selected from a Chinese manufacturer.

Earlier reports said the RD-93MA engine will be directly sold to Pakistan. However, sources told defenseworld.net that the engine upgrade work is under contract from a Chinese company for which over 100 such engines is to be manufactured.

The engine is expected to enter fight test mode towards the end of the year which means the JF-17 Block III would enter flight tests with the RD-93MA engine sometime in 2021-22 at the earliest.
JF-17 B-III is slated to use RD-93. Although RD-93MA has been on the radar of PAF for quite a while now but the Ruskies missed their Timelines again and again which were proposed by PAF for handing over a prototype to conduct trials on the bird (read 2020). During a recent visit to China a source mentioned RD-93MA was requested by the Chinese for their new Medium Weight Stealth Fighter (Presumed to be designated J-35 which is based on FC-31V2) for its initial Batch of 50 which is slated to go into production in 2022-23 timeframe.
 
JF-17 B-III is slated to use RD-93. Although RD-93MA has been on the radar of PAF for quite a while now but the Ruskies missed their Timelines again and again which were proposed by PAF for handing over a prototype to conduct trials on the bird (read 2020). During a recent visit to China a source mentioned RD-93MA was requested by the Chinese for their new Medium Weight Stealth Fighter (Presumed to be designated J-35 which is based on FC-31V2) for its initial Batch of 50 which is slated to go into production in 2022-23 timeframe.
Oh HELLL !!!!!!!!!

:yahoo:

Still disappointed on WS-19 though
 
Likewise, the RD-93MA could also an option for the FGFA/AZM/FC-31.

The RD-93MA engine has improved performance. In particular, increased thermodynamic parameters, an improved design of the fan and the hot part, an upgraded automatic power plant control system. The main indicators are also increased - the assigned resource and traction. An additional emergency engine start mode was provided in the air and the possibility of emergency fuel drain was realized. All this is due to the specifics associated with the possible use of the power plant on a single-engine aircraft, which entails additional safety requirements.
https://www.uecrus.com/rus/presscenter/odk_news/?ELEMENT_ID=3280

FGFA/AZM/FC-31 are not Single Engine Aircrafts.
Neither Russia have any Single Engine Aircraft in use.
RD-93MA is surely for JF-17 Block-3
 
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JF-17 B-III is slated to use RD-93. Although RD-93MA has been on the radar of PAF for quite a while now but the Ruskies missed their Timelines again and again which were proposed by PAF for handing over a prototype to conduct trials on the bird (read 2020). During a recent visit to China a source mentioned RD-93MA was requested by the Chinese for their new Medium Weight Stealth Fighter (Presumed to be designated J-35 which is based on FC-31V2) for its initial Batch of 50 which is slated to go into production in 2022-23 timeframe.
Aby yr wohi purana engine
 
Is there a separate thread for JF-17 avionics? A single thread for everything doesn't seem efficient.
 
So you can't have two RD-93MAs in one plane?

We Can, But the press release issued by UEC explicitly states that RD93MA specifications are developed keeping in mind usage in Single Engine Aircrafts.

"All this is due to the specifics associated with the possible use of the power plant on a single-engine aircraft"
 
We Can, But the press release issued by UEC explicitly states that RD93MA specifications are developed keeping in mind usage in Single Engine Aircrafts.

"All this is due to the specifics associated with the possible use of the power plant on a single-engine aircraft"
My bad, you're right. I wonder if it could also refer to Turkey's Hurjet.
 
We Can, But the press release issued by UEC explicitly states that RD93MA specifications are developed keeping in mind usage in Single Engine Aircrafts.

"All this is due to the specifics associated with the possible use of the power plant on a single-engine aircraft"
There are 2 engines which are being developed not 1. БАРК-93МА и ИДК-93МА (BARK-93MA and IDK-93MA).
 
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