JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

[BHarwana]

Thanks and sorry if my question was misleading: I meant what's the difference between RD-93MA and BARK-93MA. Or at least as I read this text, BARK-93MA is not a different engine but a new "automatic control system".

The text is in Russian. So translation might differ but what I can understand from it is that certain features of RD93MA are being upgraded to develop 2 new models of the engine. One thing it mentions clearly is that harness of the engines will be upgraded which means that engines are being upgraded to fit into a certain air frame. This is what I can understand from it. I gave you the link cause it is foreign language & we all will have to take shots at translation & get a picture out of it. So this is what I understand from this news.

https://www.uecrus.com/rus/presscenter/odk_news/?ELEMENT_ID=3280&sphrase_id=3317

@vostok friend if you have time can you please translate the news in the above link.

 

[Safriz]

please share link

https://t.co/gPE5OxfHyV?amp=1

@vostok please translate

Also this.

 

[Tameem]

There are 2 engines which are being developed not 1. БАРК-93МА и ИДК-93МА (BARK-93MA and IDK-93MA).

What is this БАРК-93МА (BARK-93MA)??

"New engines of the RD-33 family include BARK digital monitoring and control systems.
Repair and maintenance of RD-33 engines take advantage of an information and diagnostics system (IDS)."

http://www.klimov.ru/en/production/aircraft/RD-33-family/

 

[خره مينه لګته وي]

07/08/2020
The new engine for the development of the UEC will be tested in a thermal chamber TsIAM

The RD-93MA engine was shipped from St. Petersburg to Moscow. The power plant of the UEC-Klimov development (part of the United Engine Corporation of Rostec State Corporation) will have to confirm the high-speed characteristics in the conditions of flight simulation at the stand of the P.I. Baranova (TsIAM).

A set of tests in the TsIAM large thermal pressure chamber will be held as part of the experimental design work on the RD-93MA. During tests for the engine conditions will be simulated as close as possible to flight. The operation of the automatic control system of the BARK-93MA engine, also designed and manufactured at JSC UEC-Klimov, will be tested.

Upon successful completion of this stage, permission will be obtained for flight design tests.

The beginning of the tests was preceded by a long preparatory phase. During 2018-2019 design documentation was issued and handed over to manufacturing plants, production was organized in a new cooperation structure, engine models of the RD-93MA and KSA-54M were made, a new engine "harness" was designed and manufactured, tests of the VK-100-1MK turbostarter in the TsIAM thermo-chamber according to confirmation of high-altitude launch, prototypes BARK-93MA and IDK-93MA were made and much more. Immediately before sending the engine for testing, the UEC specialists prepared and tested all the necessary equipment for connecting the engine to the test bench.

RD-93MA is a new aircraft engine developed by JSC "UEC-Klimov". The power plant in addition to the engine includes an automatic control system BARK-93MA and a box of aircraft units KSA-54M.

The RD-93MA engine has improved performance. In particular, increased thermodynamic parameters, an improved design of the fan and the hot part, an upgraded automatic power plant control system. The main indicators are also increased - the assigned resource and traction. An additional emergency engine start mode was provided in the air and the possibility of emergency fuel drain was realized. All this is due to the specifics associated with the possible use of the power plant on a single-engine aircraft, which entails additional safety requirements.

Preparation of the RD-93MA engine for transportation

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JSC UEC-Klimov is an enterprise of the Russian engine-building industry, engaged in the development and production of gas turbine engines and control systems for airplanes and helicopters. It includes a design bureau, a modern production and experimental base. The company developed helicopter engines of the TV3-117 / VK-2500, VK-2500PS-03, TV7-117V family, RD-33, RD-33MK, RD-93 and TV7-117S / SM / ST aircraft engines and their control systems. The quality management system of UEC-Klimov is certified according to the international standard AS 9100: 2016.
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Google translation -___-

https://www.uecrus.com/rus

 

[khanasifm]

07/08/2020
The new engine for the development of the UEC will be tested in a thermal chamber TsIAM

The RD-93MA engine was shipped from St. Petersburg to Moscow. The power plant of the UEC-Klimov development (part of the United Engine Corporation of Rostec State Corporation) will have to confirm the high-speed characteristics in the conditions of flight simulation at the stand of the P.I. Baranova (TsIAM).

A set of tests in the TsIAM large thermal pressure chamber will be held as part of the experimental design work on the RD-93MA. During tests for the engine conditions will be simulated as close as possible to flight. The operation of the automatic control system of the BARK-93MA engine, also designed and manufactured at JSC UEC-Klimov, will be tested.

Upon successful completion of this stage, permission will be obtained for flight design tests.

The beginning of the tests was preceded by a long preparatory phase. During 2018-2019 design documentation was issued and handed over to manufacturing plants, production was organized in a new cooperation structure, engine models of the RD-93MA and KSA-54M were made, a new engine "harness" was designed and manufactured, tests of the VK-100-1MK turbostarter in the TsIAM thermo-chamber according to confirmation of high-altitude launch, prototypes BARK-93MA and IDK-93MA were made and much more. Immediately before sending the engine for testing, the UEC specialists prepared and tested all the necessary equipment for connecting the engine to the test bench.

RD-93MA is a new aircraft engine developed by JSC "UEC-Klimov". The power plant in addition to the engine includes an automatic control system BARK-93MA and a box of aircraft units KSA-54M.

The RD-93MA engine has improved performance. In particular, increased thermodynamic parameters, an improved design of the fan and the hot part, an upgraded automatic power plant control system. The main indicators are also increased - the assigned resource and traction. An additional emergency engine start mode was provided in the air and the possibility of emergency fuel drain was realized. All this is due to the specifics associated with the possible use of the power plant on a single-engine aircraft, which entails additional safety requirements.

Preparation of the RD-93MA engine for transportation

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JSC UEC-Klimov is an enterprise of the Russian engine-building industry, engaged in the development and production of gas turbine engines and control systems for airplanes and helicopters. It includes a design bureau, a modern production and experimental base. The company developed helicopter engines of the TV3-117 / VK-2500, VK-2500PS-03, TV7-117V family, RD-33, RD-33MK, RD-93 and TV7-117S / SM / ST aircraft engines and their control systems. The quality management system of UEC-Klimov is certified according to the international standard AS 9100: 2016.
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Google translation -___-

https://www.uecrus.com/rus

So 9300 kgf eq 20500 lbs thrust but more important is dry thrust Did it go up substantially 11500 to say 13/14000 like western engines most flight profile is for dry thrust while burner last for few seconds and GE counterpart of Rd-93 had more dry thrust than wet

also life mtbo of at least 1000/1200 hours with total ~4000 hours range
Anyway I think this engine will give boost to block 3 super cruise ?? Time will tell

 

[Tomcats]

https://t.co/gPE5OxfHyV?amp=1

@vostok please translate

Also this.

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A friend of mine translated it and it turns out as this,

Experimental - Design works on creation of a power plant
consisting of RD-93MA engine, KSA-54M, BARK-99MA.
Completion date - 2020. Project outcome - RKD set with
with O1, for a power plant consisting of an RD-33MA engine with a thrust of
R=9300kgs, KSA-54M. BARK-93MA and set resource 600/1200 hours.
Cost of the project - 2.413 billion rubles. Forecast sales volume of serial
products - 400 pieces. Object of application - aircraft type FC-1 for China

 

[Safriz]

A friend of mine translated it and it turns out as this,

Experimental - Design works on creation of a power plant
consisting of RD-93MA engine, KSA-54M, BARK-99MA.
Completion date - 2020. Project outcome - RKD set with
with O1, for a power plant consisting of an RD-33MA engine with a thrust of
R=9300kgs, KSA-54M. BARK-93MA and set resource 600/1200 hours.
Cost of the project - 2.413 billion rubles. Forecast sales volume of serial
products - 400 pieces. Object of application - aircraft type FC-1 for China

So there's an order of 400 new and improved engines for JF-17?
That's interesting.

 

[Ali_Baba]

400-500 sounds about right if you consider the lifespan of the engines and the size of the remaining JF17 procurement by PAF ( about 200 units of Block III ) and engine refresh of Block I and Block II planes, before Azm and other platforms come on line.

Can PAF ask for license manufacturing or assembley or the engine, to help build the local infrastructure to design and develop its own engines in the future using the same infrastructure?

 

[Thorough Pro]

not all for JF-17. probably 100 for JF-17 and another 300 for 150 twin engine J31/J35

People are totally relying on what a certain defense news websites says.
The Russian defence contract website says otherwise.
Biggest news is that the Russian manufacturer Kilmanov is contracted to produce 400 units of RD-93MA and all are for JF-17.
Make sense of that.

 

[Safriz]

not all for JF-17. probably 100 for JF-17 and another 300 for 150 twin engine J31/J35

It doesn't say so over here on the Russian government tender notice.

 

[volatile]

https://t.co/gPE5OxfHyV?amp=1

@vostok please translate

Also this.

Yea tu na kerne walle baat hoey ,any ways In English will help

 

[Aryeih Leib]

Maybe [emoji108]

My bad, you're right. I wonder if it could also refer to Turkey's Hurjet.

 

[Aryeih Leib]

For KHP ?

It doesn't say so over here on the Russian government tender notice.

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[Kingslayerr]

So probably Pakistan will be replacig the old RD93 in block 1 and 2 and replacing them with MA. Which would give the required power to equip them with aesa radar and otger goodies?

 

[Tameem]

https://t.co/gPE5OxfHyV?amp=1

@vostok please translate

Also this.
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@vostok or any Russian whatsoever will not join discussion with us on security and defense matters;
Being afraid to be lynched by Indians here and on other forums is genuine.