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It won't make it J-20 if even it carries a J-20 mission computer.JFTBlk3 does have some fifth gen DNA into it but it isn't more than net-centric warfare and multiple sensor fusion.

Hi,

That was never the question if it would make it or not---. A 5th gen is a 5th gen and the 4th gen is a 4th gen---.

A 4th gen aircraft with the 5th gen EW package would creep up in the 4th gen category but will never go above 4.99 gen under the best case scenario---but the 4.99 will put it above everything else below it---.

So---guys----please use engineering / scientific logic---.

A horse is a horse and stays a horse---. A donkey and a horse union does produce something similar to a horse---ie---a mule---which is far superior to function and utility of other donkeys but yet not superior to a horse in the horse's primary utility---.

Exactly my point ... therefore making any conclusions the PAF might get J-20s only from an externally similar HUD is at best fan-boy's level.

Hi,

No---it is not your point---. It never was your point---. Your point was---pakistan will not get the stuff from the J20----.
 
Hi,

No---it is not your point---. It never was your point---. Your point was---pakistan will not get the stuff from the J20----.

That is to admit a blatant lie! :crazy:

I never said, the PAF might never get anything related to the J-20 but I admit, I noted several times and I still hold my claim, it will never get the J-20.
 
BTW I do not think that J-20 fits PAF requirements. Its an overkill & PAF can not afford it. It may yet happen, say 20 years from now, if climate change does not kill us first.
IMHO, if India got the T-50/Su-57 as planned, it would not be surprised for PAF to get J-20 in a short time.
But China and Pakistan found that they had overestimated the development of Su-57, and they have more time to consider other choices.
 
Hi,
As a pakistani---I would never say that about another pakistani to an outsider just because I have a disagreement with that pakistani---and regardless of my differences.
Build some character youngman---build some character---.



Hi,
That is not a blatant lie---. Your posts are on sino defence---.
It is not related---it is the "primary tool" of the J20---.


Here finally is proof for your arrogance and what a corrupt character You are! Shame on you.

You lie, you twist words, you exaggerate certain arguments and pick out of the context only those snippets you like, you call openly to be dishonest to other nations only since you don't like them or their opinion, while at the same time you demand others to grow up, to show character and get mature!!

Again, You are a blatant liar, one of the most arrogant and mendacious member here I know.

Again, Shame on You.
 
In your post you were talking about character and my reply was only in response to the same.

If a person don't have a character like Afghans surely he can prefer race over reality and truth.

Never let your own down in front of others---. If you don't know that---you cannot be trusted ever---.

Here finally is proof for your arrogance and what a corrupt character You are! Shame on you.

You lie, you twist words, you exaggerate certain arguments and pick out of the context only those snippets you like, you call openly to be dishonest to other nations only since you don't like them or their opinion, while at the same time you demand others to grow up, to show character and get mature!!

Again, You are a blatant liar, one of the most arrogant and mendacious member here I know.

Again, Shame on You.

Lets stop this here and now guys, no use in fighting.

As for J-20 and related tech, it is not that China won’t let us J-20, it is more that if we want it, we WILL get it, no denying in that, time will prove.
 
Please stay on track
Don't go personal and off the topic
Thanks
Lets stop this here and now guys, no use in fighting.

As for J-20 and related tech, it is not that China won’t let us J-20, it is more that if we want it, we WILL get it, no denying in that, time will prove.

Agreed and thanks for calming me down, but anyway I hate this behavior of twisting words and while at the one side being hypersensitive (Oh look, the J-20's HUD, so you are wrong. Pakistan can surely get whatever they want from China, also including the J-20 ... and no-one can trust you anymore), while at the same time simply ignore the facts, that this is not the same HUD, that even getting the J-20's HUD would not be equal to get the J-20 and that all from arrogance.

Anyway, indeed back to the JF-17 Block 3!
 
IMHO, if India got the T-50/Su-57 as planned, it would not be surprised for PAF to get J-20 in a short time.
But China and Pakistan found that they had overestimated the development of Su-57, and they have more time to consider other choices.
You are absolutely right bro but what about J-31 & what is the status of it... :pakistan::china:
 
Like Rafael, J-20 seems to have spectra system in it. Is there a chance this will make way to JF-17 Block-III ?

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JF-17 Block III vs F-16 Fighting Falcon C: A Race JF-17 Thunder won by a Mile
Pakistan Air Force for long had been using F-16 C's as the most elite fighters in its arsenal, but no more. The advent of JF-17 Block III with its deadly weapons capability and futuristic tech took Pakistan to the top. Block III variant is going to be the most deadly fighter in the subcontinent.

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February 13, 2020
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Pakistan is among the few countries which successfully launched the fourth generation fighter jet programs and completed them, Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder is an example of that. While Israel’s Lavi and India’s Tejas program got lost in the wind, Pakistan, in collaboration with China, successfully launched the most fearsome fighter jet in Pakistan arsenal. Though Pakistan might need a heavier “Air Superiority” fighter to counter India’s Su-30MKI, JF-17 has the capability to take on anything Indian Air Force throws its way.


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JF-17 Block III: Light weight, Mach 2.0 , AESA, HMD, ASELPOD, Stealth. @defencepk
The race for Pakistan is never over. The struggle to maintain air superiority is ever going between the arch-rivals in Subcontinent.

Pakistan’s JF-17 Block II vs F-16 C
The second installment of Pakistan’s star-fighter, JF-17 Thunder Block II was considered an equal to F-16 in its capabilities of aerial warfare and weapon carrying capacity. The modern version of the American fighter, F-16 C enjoyed several advantages at JF-17 Block-II but those came at a hefty price. F-16 C maintenance cost is too high and it has a considerably low sortie rate.

Even then Pakistani fighter enjoyed several other advantages at US’ top jet. JF-17 Block II’s operational altitude is quite higher and far superior ship busting capabilities due to the munitions it carries. The fearsome C-802 anti-ship cruise missile is loaded in the JF-17. Moreover, there are approximately 65 F-16’s in Pakistan Air Force’s service, of which only 18 are the modern F-16 C while all the other are the old F-16 A variants.

Read more: JF-17 Thunder Block-III: Upgrades that brought it to the top

Before JF-17 Block II was inducted in PAF, F-16 C formed what was Pakistan’s small elite unit of PAF because of the fact that the A variants of F-16 in Pakistan’s service lacked modern sensors, avionics, electronic warfare systems and a superior air to air fighting capability. F-16 C was the most advanced fighter PAF flew, exceeding greatly the fighting capabilities of F-16 A and by quite a smaller margin, those of JF-17 Block II.

JF-17 Block III
In comes the JF-17 Block III and changed the way the world looked at Pakistan’s Air Force capabilities. Superior in every way to the most advanced fighter currently in Pakistan’s service, F-16 C, Block III variant of JF-17 Thunder boasts some significant improvements.

Engine
The Block III version of the JF-17 is slated to receive the RD-93MA or Chinese WS-13 engine, while its previous version had a Chinese license-built Klimov RD-93MA turbofan engine.

Speed
JF-17 Block III variant can exceed the speed of Mach 2, almost 2470 km/h.

Avionics
The JF-17 Block 3’s avionics are nothing less than a state of the art. JF-17 Block III will have a helmet-mounted display (HMD) and possibly an internal infrared search and tracking (IRST) system. The plane boasts a full glass cockpit and a new single panel multifunctional display.


Times of lsIamabad

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Pakistan's indigenous built JF - 17 Block III to get state of the art AESA Radar, ECM and Missiles https://timesofislamabad.com/27-Apr-2018/pakistan-s-indigenous-built-jf-17-block-iii-to-get-state-of-the-art-aesa-radar-ecm-and-missiles …


Pakistan's indigenous built JF - 17 Block III to get state of the art AESA Radar, ECM and Missiles
ISLAMABAD - The Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) Aeronautical Complex/Chengdu Aerospace Corporation (PAC/CAC) JF-17 “Thunder” multirole fighter jet

timesofislamabad.com

Radar
Pakistan negotiated with British and Italian defense firms regarding avionics and radars for the JF-17 development. Radar options include the Italian Galileo Avionica’s Grifo S7 the French Thomson-CSF’s RC400 (a variant of the RDY-2), and the British company SELEX Galileo’s Vixen 500E active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar.

Fifty JF-17s were to be upgraded and an optional fifty from 2013 onwards, at a cost of up to US$1.36 billion. The RC-400 radar, MICA AAMs, and several air-to-surface weapons are believed to be in the contract. The PAF also held talks with South Africa for the supply of Denel A-darter AAMs.

Beyond Visual Range Capabilities
The most significant changes in JF-17 Block III are to its beyond visual range combat capabilities. Advantages of integrating an AESA radar not only allows the JF-17 Block 3 to detect targets at far longer ranges, and to track and lock onto more targets simultaneously, but its is also less prone to jamming and leaves a far lower radar signature – meaning it is both more reliable and makes the fighter more difficult to detect.

Read more: Project Azm: Pakistan’s Very Own Fifth Gen Stealth Fighter Jet Program

Alongside state of the art Chinese electronic warfare systems, and what appears to be a radar cross-section reducing profile, a combination of modern avionics, and AESA radar and PL-15 missiles will make the JF-17 Block 3 an extremely lethal fighter for beyond visual range combat considerably more capable than any fighter currently in Pakistani service including the F-16 C.

Pakistani Project Azm
While JF-17 Block III variant, upon its induction, in 2022 will most likely take up the mantle of Pakistan’s most elite fighter jet, Pakistan has entered the race of making the 5th generation jets currently only being produced by the US, Russia, and China.

Entering the race alone is an admirable feat for Pakistan, a country running on a $280 billion. Pakistan’s ambitious and visionary Project Azm includes the design and development of multiple innovative aviation projects, including the development of the fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA), unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), and other projects.

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Agreed and thanks for calming me down, but anyway I hate this behavior of twisting words and while at the one side being hypersensitive (Oh look, the J-20's HUD, so you are wrong. Pakistan can surely get whatever they want from China, also including the J-20 ... and no-one can trust you anymore), while at the same time simply ignore the facts, that this is not the same HUD, that even getting the J-20's HUD would not be equal to get the J-20 and that all from arrogance.

Anyway, indeed back to the JF-17 Block 3!
J 20 is very real possibility I have few friends at good places they are also confiming in fact China itself has shown willingness but right now JF 17 and getting another 4.5 ++ is primary focus
 

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