Italy defends 'inhumane' policy of blocking migrants in Libya / Nigeria evacuates nigerians

[ValerioAurelius]

Since Italy closed the mediterranean route and locked the africans in Libya, migrant arrivals dropped by 87%.

https://www.thelocal.it/20171116/italy-defends

The UN blames Italy for this, but our minister Marco Minniti says, he doesnt care if migrants are sold on Libyan slave markets. He was elected by the italian people and has to work for Italy.

Meanwhile the shocking pictures from Libya start to work. Nigeria starts to transport its people back to Nigeria:

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-01/05/c_136874757.htm

The "do gooders" always said harsh politics wont work.

And now that Italy finally does what Lega Nord, Forza Italia always demanded, we see, it does work.

We harassed NGO out of the Med. We arrested NGO. We make deals with Libyan war lords and they catch the migrants.

Sure, ugly pictures are poduced but hard times need hard meassurements. In end effect its best for all.

We dont have to care for them anymore. Africans get evcuated back home and lose their illussions.

@waz @Kaptaan

 

[Jaanbaz]

Every nation has the right to protect its borders.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Every nation has the right to protect its borders.

Tell that the degenerated liberal left who want open borders for evryone and death of the nation evrywhere.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Tell that the degenerated liberal left who want open borders for evryone and death of the nation evrywhere.

The whole charade that millions of innocent women and children from Syria were escaping war has been blown, almost all of the migrants are young men who clearly are here to exploit the welfare system.

 

[waz]

Sadly the bottom line is that if you do not stop them you are literally allowing them to die. This just happened today;
There is a video in the link from the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-...nts-drown-in-year-s-first-shipwreck-off-libya

The Italian navy has done a wonderful job and they are amongst the bravest men anywhere, paying no heed to their own lives and jumping into dangerous waters to save lives time and time again. They have to put a stop tot he smugglers and save EVEN MORE LIVES.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Sadly the bottom line is that if you do not stop them you are literally allowing them to die. This just happened today;
There is a video in the link from the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-...nts-drown-in-year-s-first-shipwreck-off-libya

The Italian navy has done a wonderful job and they are amongst the bravest men anywhere, paying no heed to their own lives and jumping into dangerous waters to save lives time and time again. They have to put a stop tot he smugglers and save EVEN MORE LIVES.

Once they realize that they will never reach italy, they will give up.

 

[HannibalBarca]

When you are left to die in your country for X reaseons... Dying somewhere else with a "light" at the End of the tunnel... is fast taken decision... Immigration will not stop... not till African countries are stabilised... and prosperous...

Any country should be able to restrict immigration..; that's normal... But the ways to do so... are the one who should be evaluated...

Italy way to do in Libya... (paying and such) will back fire to her... Libya is not stable to envision a true immigration wall" investment"... Dozen and dozens of thousands of immigrants are waiting in Libya to have the opportunity to cross...when those so called " war lords" get deleted from the game..;one time or another... and at this moment... No "Navy" will stop it... no radical party and no one will be able to stop the wave...except by firing at sight... to kill...

So the last word for the illusionist around here... Illusion and Death are not friends... both do no care about each other... That's how Humans behaved for Millions of years... and that's why they are every parts of this world... "Hope never die..."

And there is always that African saying..." What you took... will be given back a thousand time..." just have to work on who took what and who will give back

 

[ValerioAurelius]

When you are left to die in your country for X reaseons... Dying somewhere else with a "light" at the End of the tunnel... is fast taken decision... Immigration will not stop... not till African countries are stabilised... and prosperous...

Any country should be able to restrict immigration..; that's normal... But the ways to do so... are the one who should be evaluated...

Italy way to do in Libya... (paying and such) will back fire to her... Libya is not stable to envision a true immigration wall" investment"... Dozen and dozens of thousands of immigrants are waiting in Libya to have the opportunity to cross...when those so called " war lords" get deleted from the game..;one time or another... and at this moment... No "Navy" will stop it... no radical party and no one will be able to stop the wave...except by firing at sight... to kill...

So the last word for the illusionist around here... Illusion and Death are not friends... both do no care about each other... That's how Humans behaved for Millions of years... and that's why they are every parts of this world... "Hope never die..."

And there is always that African saying..." What you took... will be given back a thousand time..." just have to work on who took what and who will give back

It did stop. When they get killed in Libya and sold on slave markets, they stop to try via Italy. Evrything else is none of our business.

 

[HannibalBarca]

It did stop. When they get killed in Libya and sold on slave markets, they stop to try via Italy. Evrything else is none of our business.

They didn't stop... only being hidden... That"slavery" was there for a long time after 2011... Ppl knew about it... now it's out outthere...
As for being killed... that's not what they fear... the moment they leave their countries... most don't even make to their own borders... let alone Libya... and even after that... they sail...they know... they have 50% to die... Death is just a friend of their journey... nothing more, nothing less...

 

[ValerioAurelius]

They didn't stop... only being hidden... That"slavery" was there for a long time after 2011... Ppl knew about it... now it's out outthere...
As for being killed... that's not what they fear... the moment they leave their countries... most don't even make to their own borders... let alone Libya... and even after that... they sail...they know... they have 50% to die... Death is just a friend of their journey... nothing more, nothing less...

They are not hidden.

Your words are wrong btw, since we too treat them so bad, tehy start to comitt mass suicide. They jump down bridges, infront trains or hang themself.

The ones who made it here last year are used as slaves by Mafia. When they cant work anymore they get "removed". They get no payment and are trapped.

And yes it did stop. Their numbers collapsed. They dont make it here anymore. They are not spirits you know. They are matter and matter can be stopped. And thats what our government does, this way or another.

At moment it works perfectly fine. If it rises again more robust methods will be used. The med can be secured 100% automated. Satellites can spot evry boat and drones can destroy anything.

Migration is about push and pull. Conditions are bad in Nigeria? Then make conditions in Italy worse than Nigeria.

Conditions in the fields here are pure horror and way below Nigeria. They chose suicide over life.

When in winter one escaped and jumped into the channel in Venice he died while hundreds of Italians on Bridges joked and made fun about him.

Politics always work in cascades.

What is law now was what we demanded in the past. Since we got what we wanted, we will demand more.

Now african states transport them back from Libya.

They have no future. It is time for them to accept their fate or we must help them to accept it.

 

[HannibalBarca]

They are not hidden.

Your words are wrong btw, since we too treat them so bad, tehy start to comitt mass suicide. They jump down bridges, infront trains or hang themself.

The ones who made it here last year are used as slaves by Mafia. When they cant work anymore they get "removed". They get no payment and are trapped.

And yes it did stop. Their numbers collapsed. They dont make it here anymore. They are not spirits you know. They are matter and matter can be stopped. And thats what our government does, this way or another.

At moment it works perfectly fine. If it rises again more robust methods will be used. The med can be secured 100% automated. Satellites can spot evry boat and drones can destroy anything.

Migration is about push and pull. Conditions are bad in Nigeria? Then make conditions in Italy worse than Nigeria.

Conditions in the fields here are pure horror and way below Nigeria. They chose suicide over life.

When in winter one escaped and jumped into the channel in Venice he died while hundreds of Italians on Bridges joked and made fun about him.

Politics always work in cascades.

What is law now was what we demanded in the past. Since we got what we wanted, we will demand more.

Now african states transport them back from Libya.

They have no future. It is time for them to accept their fate or we must help them to accept it.

I pity your point of view... Speaking like you know the world... but in reality...can't even analyse a simple problematic...
Mass suicide... not hidden...fear etc... Sometimes I ask where do you get that... or is your brain that willing to believe such stupidity...
Grow up a bit... one simple thing to do... is speaking with them Directly in camps under UNHCR or elsewhere... and come back... and stop your fantasy... and if you can't do such simple thing...just be quiet about this subject... it's becoming tiring..and gringy and pityful sometimes... since you said to be highly educated... it's making thing even worse...

Have fun...

 

[ValerioAurelius]

I pity your point of view... Speaking like you know the world... but in reality...can't even analyse a simple problematic...
Mass suicide... not hidden...fear etc... Sometimes I ask where do you get that... or is your brain that willing to believe such stupidity...
Grow up a bit... one simple thing to do... is speaking with them Directly in camps under UNHCR or elsewhere... and come back... and stop your fantasy... and if you can't do such simple thing...just be quiet about this subject... it's becoming tiring..and gringy and pityful sometimes... since you said to be highly educated... it's making thing even worse...

Have fun...

I dont speak with those Hanni. I dont go in mafia controlled Tomato fields to converse with their slaves. I´m Forza Italia Hanni.

I have no fantasy regarding this. Hard times need hard meassurements. So far our methods work. If not we would need old style solutions. As our foreign minister said: The "final solution for the migrant question".

That our methods works shows Australia, which has 0 migrants arriving in 2015 / 2016 and 2017 and the distance between Indonesia and Australia is shorter than between Libya and Italy. Their numbers dropped from 40.000 to zero within one year. Our numbers dropped by 87.7 % within 2 months.

But i agree with you that we need to find a solution for their excess population.

 

[HannibalBarca]

I dont speak with those Hanni. I dont go in mafia controlled Tomato fields to converse with their slaves. I´m Forza Italia Hanni.

I have no fantasy regarding this. Hard times need hard meassurements. So far our methods work. If not we would need old style solutions. As our foreign minister said: The "final solution for the migrant question".

That our methods works shows Australia, which has 0 migrants arriving in 2015 / 2016 and 2017 and the distance between Indonesia and Australia is shorter than between Libya and Italy. Their numbers dropped from 40.000 to zero within one year. Our numbers dropped by 87.7 % within 2 months.

But i agree with you that we need to find a solution for their excess population.

Australia is basically an immigrant country... Their existence is made of immigrants... not a good exemple...

And since you don't want neither need the truth about this all immigration problem..then don't be suprised of today EU "problems"... Things not gonna change... if no one want to see the truth as it is...

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Australia is basically an immigrant country... Their existence is made of immigrants... not a good exemple...

And since you don't want neither need the truth about this all immigration problem..then don't be suprised of today EU "problems"... Things not gonna change... if no one want to see the truth as it is...

We discussed this so often and will never agree. You are sad, that we dont allow evry scum into our great nation. I´m sorry to disappoint you. We dont have a immigration problem anymore. It is solved, thanks to us and we will reap the fruits of our policies in next election this year. Polls say we might get absolute majority. Hanni, imagine what can we do then.

 

[HannibalBarca]

We discussed this so often and will never agree. You are sad, that we dont allow evry scum into our great nation. I´m sorry to disappoint you. We dont have a immigration problem anymore. It is solved, thanks to us and we will reap the fruits of our policies in next election this year. Polls say we might get absolute majority. Hanni, imagine what can we do then.

See... You read, hear and maybe smell... things about me.. but When you try to put "an opinion" on me...that is wrong... it's just... made me sad... That's why.. I try to limit my interaction with people who have the same minds as you...
I don't care if a country close their borders... They are free to do so... What I will argue on...is how it's made...simple as that...

So I will say it again... History is our witness... Just open a book... and try to read about those who made the same mistake...and enjoy their answers... It will not work... it never did... People crossed the Berlin wall... the NK/SK border... and so on... and you think you can?

Never in Human History... The Mediterranean sea was an obstacle...never... That's why We, those living around it, even exist, with our mutual history...