Italy installs new law / banning money transfer of migrants

[The Diplomat]

We dont want this people here.

Just recall your ambassadors and close your Embassy, no need to kill people in other countries for taxes taht you don't need. Trump's ban was better than this mess of 75% tax... Disgraceful.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Is there any estimation that how much will be saved by this law . I knew according to this 7444 Iranian leave in italy.
http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/dybcensus/V3_table4.xls

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Is there any estimation that how much will be saved by this law . I knew according to this 7444 Iranian leave in italy.
http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/dybcensus/V3_table4.xls

I guèss roughly 8000. Iranians are not the core target group. But i guess it was decided to simply put them into the target as well. When you do such a decission, its good to widespread the result

Just recall your ambassadors and close your Embassy, no need to kill people in other countries for taxes taht you don't need. Trump's ban was better than this mess of 75% tax... Disgraceful.

You decide what we need and what not?

They came here, lived from welfare and transfer huge amounts of money out of Italy. Taxes that italian workers pay.

With what justification do you want an italian single mother who works 10h a day to feed her children to pay taxes which are used pay welfare to this parasites?

 

[Hack-Hook]

I guèss roughly 8000. Iranians are not the core target group. But i guess it was decided to simply put them into the target as well. When you do such a decission, its good to widespread the result



You decide what we need and what not?

They came here, lived from welfare and transfer huge amounts of money out of Italy. Taxes that italian workers pay.

With what justification do you want an italian single mother who works 10h a day to feed her children to pay taxes which are used pay welfare to this parasites?

Well as far as I see the law seems to have some loophole. They can just transfer the money into a third country which is not banned and then transfer it from that country into their target ciuntry and I'm sure extra transaction cost far less than that 75%.
Also hope that exemption is not transaction based but when is given to one person or company last at least for one or two years otherwise it will affect trades with those countries severely.and then it may cause several case of complaint in European union court or whatever is its exact name.

 

[my2cents]

Over 79% of Italians want all migrants out according to polls. The largest parts of migrants doesnt work, cant read or write and is not compatible into italian society.

We clearly show them with this laws that we want them away. Next step would be a final solution and i doubt they would like that. So i support those hard meassurements. Its a clean solution for evryone involved.




You must also see that just weeks ago any welfare for such migrants got cut down to zero and they only get some basic stuff to eat. For Haweli too you need a bank account. We already have laws here that allows banks to stop any payments. Currently such laws are used on people who have debt but could also be pushed further on migrants. Of course some can always try to walk around any meassure but in the end it gets simply to hasrh for the majority.

It is matter of time these migrants will find greener pastures. This world is big enough to accomodate them.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Well as far as I see the law seems to have some loophole. They can just transfer the money into a third country which is not banned and then transfer it from that country into their target ciuntry and I'm sure extra transaction cost far less than that 75%.
Also hope that exemption is not transaction based but when is given to one person or company last at least for one or two years otherwise it will affect trades with those countries severely.and then it may cause several case of complaint in European union court or whatever is its exact name.

Italy ignores the European Union Court when the court delas regarding migrants.

For example Gambians sued Italy because Italy planned to deport them to senegal. The court ruled this is illegal but Italy ignored the court and deported them.

Our interior minister said he doesnt allow a court in Brussels to interfer in Italian security.

Same counts here.

Your loop hole doesnt exist, because that would be labelled as money laundry. Each transaction must be validated, similar to customs at border and trade control.

Exemptions are made for a single year and each transaction must be based on trade. This means the person must be able to base evry transaction on trade and shipment papers for example.

Sorry my english reaches its border in that case i hope you understand what i mean.

It is matter of time these migrants will find greener pastures. This world is big enough to accomodate them.

Thats exactly what this law wants to achieve. They will leave Italy. Considering that most European nations install similar laws right now (Denmark even wants quit asylum law completly) the goal is clear - gtfo of EU.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Italy ignores the European Union Court when the court delas regarding migrants.

For example Gambians sued Italy because Italy planned to deport them to senegal. The court ruled this is illegal but Italy ignored the court and deported them.

Our interior minister said he doesnt allow a court in Brussels to interfer in Italian security.

Same counts here.

Your loop hole doesnt exist, because that would be labelled as money laundry. Each transaction must be validated, similar to customs at border and trade control.

Exemptions are made for a single year and each transaction must be based on trade. This means the person must be able to base evry transaction on trade and shipment papers for example.

Sorry my english reaches its border in that case i hope you understand what i mean.




Thats exactly what this law wants to achieve. They will leave Italy. Considering that most European nations install similar laws right now (Denmark even wants quit asylum law completly) the goal is clear - gtfo of EU.

I don't see why it must be considered money laundering if he sent money that came into his position legally into the account of a guy in for example Slovenia and that guy transfer it legally to the account of another guy in country let say Y .there is nothing illegal happened here and by what I understand no law have been broken here .and by the way I don't think if the money go outside italy legally and go into the account of Mr.x that has nothing to do with italy then italy juidiciary system can do anything about it ?

 

[ValerioAurelius]

I don't see why it must be considered money laundering if he sent money that came into his position legally into the account of a guy in for example Slovenia and that guy transfer it legally to the account of another guy in country let say Y .there is nothing illegal happened here and by what I understand no law have been broken here .and by the way I don't think if the money go outside italy legally and go into the account of Mr.x that has nothing to do with italy then italy juidiciary system can do anything about it ?

The bank is responsible that this doesnt happen. In end effect migrants will have problems to get bank accounts simply because for the banks the risks are not worth it

 

[The Diplomat]

You decide what we need and what not?

They came here, lived from welfare and transfer huge amounts of money out of Italy. Taxes that italian workers pay.

With what justification do you want an italian single mother who works 10h a day to feed her children to pay taxes which are used pay welfare to this parasites?

I’ve always been against the idea of a “welfare state”. The majority of Europe is one and it’s not right. Steps can be taken to control miss-use such as regulation and requirement standards.

Need I remind you there are many Italian people abroad, how would they feel if they were taxed 80%...

It’s the era of globalisation and frankly Italy has many other major problems which the government should focus on.

 

[UKBengali]

I’ve always been against the idea of a “welfare state”. The majority of Europe is one and it’s not right. Steps can be taken to control miss-use such as regulation and requirement standards.

Need I remind you there are many Italian people abroad, how would they feel if they were taxed 80%...

It’s the era of globalisation and frankly Italy has many other major problems which the government should focus on.

You are being misled by the right-wing media in the UK. Very few people are scamming the system and to allow a small percentage to cheat is better than the alternative.

Welfare state is a brilliant ideas as otherwise you have the US system where poor people die due to being unable to afford medical care.

As Jeremy Corbyn says "you are only one accident away from being a welfare state recipient".

As you are very young I do not blame you for falling for these right-wing lies in the UK media, and so please google how the welfare state works in countries like Sweden. It was eye opening for me.

 

[The Diplomat]

You are being misled by the right-wing media in the UK. Very few people are scamming the system and to allow a small percentage to cheat is better than the alternative.

Welfare state is a brilliant ideas as otherwise you have the US system where poor people die due to being unable to afford medical care.

As Jeremy Corbyn says "you are only one accident away from being a welfare state recipient".

As you are very young I do not blame you for falling for these right-wing lies in the UK media, and so please google how the welfare state works in countries like Sweden. It was eye opening for me.

No, I’m not talking about foreigners using welfare system but normal Britain people. I’ve lived in the UK for most of my life, was born in London. Throughout my school life I came to know a few local British people that would go to any extent to claim benefits. Increasing family size so they could get a bigger house... Again foreigners are not the problem, they are usually more hard working than the locals, it’s the locals that take advantage.

I will research into it more though.

 

[UKBengali]

No, I’m not talking about foreigners using welfare system but normal Britain people. I’ve lived in the UK for most of my life, was born in London. Throughout my school life I came to know a few local British people that would go to any extent to claim benefits. Increasing family size so they could get a bigger house... Again foreigners are not the problem, they are usually more hard working than the locals, it’s the locals that take advantage.

I will research into it more though.

I was talking about both locals and foreigners.

Yes, you can jump up the housing queue and get benefits if you have children. What is the alternative?
Punish the innocent children for the fecklessness of their parents.

The problem with the UK is more due to the inequality that successive governments have encouraged. When you have much more equal societies like in Sweden then there is less of an incentive for a few people to cheat as everyone feels they have a stake in the system.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

I’ve always been against the idea of a “welfare state”. The majority of Europe is one and it’s not right. Steps can be taken to control miss-use such as regulation and requirement standards.

Need I remind you there are many Italian people abroad, how would they feel if they were taxed 80%...

It’s the era of globalisation and frankly Italy has many other major problems which the government should focus on.

Well its time to end globalisation. We dont need 3rd worlders here. People see this as most important task.

 

[The Diplomat]

Well its time to end globalisation. We dont need 3rd worlders here. People see this as most important task.

Your funny, you one of those people who probably has a bad education and can’t find a job because of it and then decides to blame outsiders for your own mistakes...

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Your funny, you one of those people who probably has a bad education and can’t find a job because of it and then decides to blame outsiders for your own mistakes...

I have a job. I work as mechanic at a airine here. Beside that i work as fitess instructor.

That said, i dont want terrorist and scum here. People who cant read and write, who are like cancer for our culture. Who cant speak english and look like... Italy for Italians. Europe for Europeans. Evryone else can go or perish.

I done blame anyone. My ideology and the party that represents it, want a clean Italy. This scum targeted by this law has no place in Italy. We are the immune system of our culture.