It Was Putin's Missile!

[Oldman1]

can you simplify your wording, please??

You need better comprehension or you just avoiding what I said.

 

[Oldman1]

Russia act as it's interest so don't fool yourself with this nonsense of protecting the Russian otherwise right now Russia would have rendered Ukraine army to scrap metals .
and tell me who get the most benefit from shooting down the plane .


and by the way a question .If I'm not wrong you know more knowledgeable about aircrafts and such.
how useful is a buk system without the copul radar in intercepting an airplane at the altitude of 10 km ?

Wait are you saying Putin is lying? About protecting the Russians in Ukraine? OMG!!!

On the Buk system which the missile launcher itself can fire up its own radar and target aircraft that high.
Buk missile system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The radar fitted to each TELAR, referred to as the 'Fire Dome' by NATO, is a monopulse type radar and can begin tracking at the missile's maximum range (32 km/20 mi) and can track aircraft flying at between 15 m and 22 km (50 to 72,000 ft) altitudes.

Transporter erector launcher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A transporter erector launcher and radar (TELAR) is the same as a TEL but also incorporates part or all of the radar system necessary for firing the missile(s). Such vehicles have the capability of being autonomous, greatly enhancing their effectiveness. With this type of system each vehicle can fight regardless of the state or presence of support vehicles. The TEL or TELAR may have a rotating turntable that it can use to aim the missiles. The vehicle may have to turn to aim the missiles or they may fire straight up.

 

[ptldM3]

Ukraine army doesnt control that area where the plane was shot down. So it was the rebels, refrain from conspiracy theories. Putin's plan backfired.



What kind of an idiot are you? JEsus. Russia will now face sanctions, which will hurt them in the long run.

Where the missiles were fired, where the plane was hit and were plane fell are three different things. Your critical thinking is not up to par.


Today Russia released radar data which confirms twitter reports about a Spanish air traffic controller which many dismissed, Russia also released satellite images but where is this satellite data that the US claims it has? Why isn't Kiev releasing audio from air traffic control? Furthermore, crappy video that Kiev released which it claimed showed a SAM battery being moved to Russia did not actually prove anything, other then Kiev's incompetents because the billboard address identified the city as being under Ukrainian control.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Wait are you saying Putin is lying? About protecting the Russians in Ukraine? OMG!!!

On the Buk system which the missile launcher itself can fire up its own radar and target aircraft that high.
Buk missile system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The radar fitted to each TELAR, referred to as the 'Fire Dome' by NATO, is a monopulse type radar and can begin tracking at the missile's maximum range (32 km/20 mi) and can track aircraft flying at between 15 m and 22 km (50 to 72,000 ft) altitudes.

Transporter erector launcher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A transporter erector launcher and radar (TELAR) is the same as a TEL but also incorporates part or all of the radar system necessary for firing the missile(s). Such vehicles have the capability of being autonomous, greatly enhancing their effectiveness. With this type of system each vehicle can fight regardless of the state or presence of support vehicles. The TEL or TELAR may have a rotating turntable that it can use to aim the missiles. The vehicle may have to turn to aim the missiles or they may fire straight up.

my question is how good the system is in detecting the coming airplane at the altitude of 10km without the search radar ?
that radar is only work at a direction .if they wanted to use the radar to scan all altitude and all direction , how much time it took them and considering that the plane only remained for about less than 5 min in the range of the missile system . ?
and specially as they could not use the visual to confirm the incoming plane who do you think told them the direction , altitude and the time the plane passed the area , specially as the plane was about 200km of it's usual path .

 

[jamahir]

@Syrian Lion, @SyrianChristianPatriot, @Ceylal... your contribution needed here.

1990 was well before 2001 when i started my online political activism to instigate peace around the world

so you joined the "jihad watch" website, i suppose... and instigated lasting peace that way... or maybe you joined the website of ned ( national endowment of democracy ), one of the cia-funded "human rights organizations" trying their best to instigate democracy in russia, iraq, libya, syria, north korea, venezuela, cuba, belarus and china.

because i certainly don't find you the person who in 2003 marched among the tens of thousands in london ( the million man march ), protesting against the western invasion of iraq.

Libya was liberated to allow for elections by the Libyans

you mean this liberation of blood bath, brought to you by nato brand soap and gcc brand shampoo...?? and just like how the west is liberating syria...??

this is from syria... the head being roasted must have belonged to a syrian policeman or one of the milita members defending socialist syria... and the "peaceful activist" holding the head will be from the al-gay-da or talibunny or al shabaab or the other invading groups supported by nato, gcc, india, israel, indonesia and brunei... and by the way, i copied the picture from lux-veritas's blospot pages, and @Lux de Veritas is a member of pdf too...

this below thing was once a human.. in libya... and either a defender of libyan jamahiriya or maybe just one of the two million migrants to rich, prosperous and just libyan jamahiriya... and the people who did this below thing were one of the "liberators of libya", as you so intelligently put it... and the "liberators" entered libyan cities under protection of nato and gcc planes... and indian warships... the source for this picture is ( The Libyan Civil War: Critical Views: Rebel Atrocity Videos ), where there are many other "liberation of libya" stories and pictures...

as for "democratic elections" held in libya and arranged by usa and its allies in nato, gcc, india, indonesia etc... below is the picture of abdul hakim belhaj, formerly heading the lifg terrorist group which then merged with al-gay-da ( al qaida ). this below person was one of the usa-sponsored "liberators of libya" who became part of the "transitional government" in post-2011 libya. he now is a key member of the "al watan party" ( Homeland Party (Libya) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ), one of the many "liberal" parties in the all-new multi-party democracy called "new libya"...

Syria saw chemical weapons REMOVED by the western coalition.

why didn't the western coalition ( and its gcc puppets ) remove chemical weapons from india, the most unjust and undemocratic society in history??

and for some more info on use by al-gay-da and talibunny... ( Syrian TV - Yurt: Al Qaeda Mambers Manufacuring Poison Gas Near Gaziantep for Use Against Syrians ).

and a famous picture to describe al-gay-da and talibunny...

independent? under Kadaffi? hardly.

the below picture is from one of the "million man marches" in tripoli ( libya ) in 2011, in support of muammar gaddafi and the socialist jamahiriya system of the then libya... the total population of libya in 2011 was about six million, including natives and migrants... so were these millions in these marches forced to attend under gun-point??

from wikipedia ( List of largest peaceful gatherings in history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )...

On 1 July 2011, an estimated 2 million people gathered at Green Square, Tripoli, Libya to show support for Muammar Gaddafi against NATO aggression. The gathering represented just under a third of the Libyan population.​

installig a government? hardly - there were elections in Libya remember

alread answered above but...

usa, britain and israel drove out arafat's plo from gaza and installed hamas into power through "democratic elections". nato invaded iraq and installed the present government there. indeed, iraq now has a system of regular elections. so democratic... and as the american secretary of state, madeline half-bright, said once... "the invasion of iraq and installation of democracy in iraq was quite worth killing 500,000 children of iraq".

You need better comprehension or you just avoiding what I said.

i am not avoiding anything and that is why i asked you a question. therefore it must be my lack of comprehension which made me unable to understand your sophisticated and sooper dooper language.

so my learned elder, please write again in simple words what you meant earlier.

 

[FaujHistorian]

had russia militarily supported iraq in 2003, or at least libya in 2011... none of this would have happened. it would have been a different world.

could it?

I doubt that very much. What you say is like saying



had China militarily supported iraq in 2003, or at least libya in 2011... none of this would have happened. it would have been a different world


had India militarily supported iraq in 2003, or at least libya in 2011... none of this would have happened. it would have been a different world

 

[SBD-3]

the western governments have already put "sanctions" on some members of russia government. even if western companies pull out of russia, it won't affect russia. who are russia's trustted trade partners... china, north korea, syria, venezuela, cuba, new egypt... those nations are already under western "sanctions" in some way or the other.

Okey they are there but if West stops trade settlement in US Dollar, Euro,Pound and Yen. Who would like to hold an unreliable Rubble? And more importantly what would Russia do with the Egyptian Dollars, Syrian, Cuban,Venezuelan currencies? The sanctions have much deeper impact than you're just trying to downplay.

 

[airmarshal]

Ukraine army doesnt control that area where the plane was shot down. So it was the rebels, refrain from conspiracy theories. Putin's plan backfired.



What kind of an idiot are you? JEsus. Russia will now face sanctions, which will hurt them in the long run.

Its Ukrainian territory. Ukraine can have its military presence. That area is loosely under rebel control. Please refrain from believing Americans who are habitual liars.

Also, the flight data recorder will have important info about last minutes. Of course US will hide the info that does not implicate Russia. Right now, US wants to implicate Russia for geopolitics. According to Russian intel, a fighter plane was spotted in the same area at the same time. If you want to believe CIA, then believe Russians too.

CIA did not know when ISIS took over a large part of North Iraq. But Americans had a satellite positioned directly at the location. Thats awesome. Either way,some facts are being twisted.

 

[Informant]

Its Ukrainian territory. Ukraine can have its military presence. That area is loosely under rebel control. Please refrain from believing Americans who are habitual liars.

Also, the flight data recorder will have important info about last minutes. Of course US will hide the info that does not implicate Russia. Right now, US wants to implicate Russia for geopolitics. According to Russian intel, a fighter plane was spotted in the same area at the same time. If you want to believe CIA, then believe Russians too.

CIA did not know when ISIS took over a large part of North Iraq. But Americans had a satellite positioned directly at the location. Thats awesome. Either way,some facts are being twisted.

You believe Russia will disclose "facts" that will implicate them? Plus the rebels boasted they shot down a transport plane right around the time MH17 went down. So circumstantial evidence is against the rebels.

 

[Star Wars]

You believe Russia will disclose "facts" that will implicate them? Plus the rebels boasted they shot down a transport plane right around the time MH17 went down. So circumstantial evidence is against the rebels.

Twitter feeds and random tapes aren't evidence by any stretch of imagination. Its just entertaining how the west seems to be desperate to somehow implicate Russia before even a probe can be done .

 

[Informant]

Twitter feeds and random tapes aren't evidence by any stretch of imagination. Its just entertaining how the west seems to be desperate to somehow implicate Russia before even a probe can be done .

Really where did the rebels get SAM systems? I mean do you doubt who used it? Russia is implicated because it actively supports rebels.

I am not taking a West's stance, mine is objective. Yours isnt.

 

[Star Wars]

Really where did the rebels get SAM systems? I mean do you doubt who used it? Russia is implicated because it actively supports rebels.

I am not taking a West's stance, mine is objective. Yours isnt.

You need technical expertise to use the sam, Bunch of random folks can't use a SAM, you also need a good radar to Guide the missile . Which the Ukrainian military had and not to mention had also moved Buk missiles in the area. If rebels can be blamed so can the Ukrainian military ...

Russia is implicated for supporting rebels not because rebels have anything to do with the crash. Its an automated response from the west to blame Russia for anything and everything after the humiliation they faced in Syria and Crimea.

 

[sarthak]

Twitter feeds and random tapes aren't evidence by any stretch of imagination. Its just entertaining how the west seems to be desperate to somehow implicate Russia before even a probe can be done .

Ok , sometimes we just know who it is , no proof is required. In this case, it should be clear to any unbiased person that it was Russian sponsored rebels that shot the plane down.

 

[Informant]

You need technical expertise to use the sam, Bunch of random folks can't use a SAM, you also need a good radar to Guide the missile . Which the Ukrainian military had and not to mention had also moved Buk missiles in the area. If rebels can be blamed so can the Ukrainian military ...

Ukrainian govt would not target their own AN 26s in the area, they lost 3 before MH 17 and one just yesterday or a day before. Losing assets this crucial isnt feasible. This is exactly the reason why Russia is implicated. Expertise must have come from there.

 

[Star Wars]

Ukrainian govt would not target their own AN 26s in the area, they lost 3 before MH 17 and one just yesterday or a day before. Losing assets this crucial isnt feasible. This is exactly the reason why Russia is implicated. Expertise must have come from there.

Nor would Rebels shoot down an civilian aircraft flying at 33,000ft . US says Rebels are responsible while Ukraine says its not rebels but Russia which is responsible because the SAM system is complicated. So who is it really ? Why not wait for the Probe before jumping into conclusions ...