Israel launches air strikes on Syria

[Ceylal]

What is Hezbollah militant gonna do to Israel? What is the point of bombing it when they know they are losing their men in Syria and won't get hold of South Lebanon in the future?
Not sure if I want to believe what media says about Israel's bomb those weapons because of Hezbollat's or FSA commander when he said "Israel bombed just before large numbers of defectors were about to bring anti air systems and weapons, simple, Assad left Golan to them for 40 years they don't want those weapons in our hand" hmm
where did you come up with this crap...Let off the hashich...!

 

[Ceylal]

Losing a few foot soldiers in Syria isn't enough to diminish their threat to Israel.

They are an Iranian army with tens of thousands of rockets aimed at Israel.

We are not like Egypt. We are a tiny country that can be covered by Hez rockets.

Their supply line has always been through Syria. What has changed is that Assad & Iran now want even more advanced weaponry in the hands of Hez. So we bomb the supply line.



In case you hadn't noticed, Bibi travelled to China and Russia. Kerry travelled to Russia and soon to Israel.

Erdogan has just met Obama.

The British PM has just been to China and is meeting Obama again.

If you had a brain, you'd connect the dots.

Russia, China, Israel, US and Turkey all meeting within a few days of each other.

There's a political momentum gaining and a solution is being worked on by the important powers (note Iran is not involved )

What you posted is correct, but one item...Iran, as a major country in the area, will be indirectly involved in any political solution as Israel will to. Iran might not seat with them a the table, but its voice will be heard thru the UN representative Lakhdhar Btrahimi..That's the way it works , friend.

 

[Controlled Pair]

What you posted is correct, but one item...Iran, as a major country in the area, will be indirectly involved in any political solution as Israel will to. Iran might not seat with them a the table, but its voice will be heard thru the UN representative Lakhdhar Btrahimi..That's the way it works , friend.

And that is exactly the slap on the face.

Iran is a major country in the region - but a major country because of its bad intentions and interference in nations. It is not a major country in any other way.

And although we all know Iran is heavily involved in this conflict, they are not invited to speak. We might hear some of their representatives through various channels - but they are not invited to sit with the grown up countries.

And this is the clearest indication that Iran is no longer part of the community.

 

[Rig Vedic]

Pantsir is a short range system that can protect only a relatively small area, and it is used to protect high value targets.

Typically Pantsir would be used in conjunction with S-300, for protecting the S-300 system itself.

 

[500]

They can...

They cant. S-300 has semi-active homing system.

they are mobile

Its not easy to relocate such a huge system and Delilah is especially designed to hit mobile targets. It wont escape from it.

Future Weapons Israel special part 6 - Delilah missile - YouTube

In the beginning they will be manned by Russian personnel, until Syrians crew are formed.

Israel told Russians to stay away. But we killed Russian AD crews before.

Pantsir is a short range system that can protect only a relatively small area, and it is used to protect high value targets.

Typically Pantsir would be used in conjunction with S-300, for protecting the S-300 system itself.

Pantsir has 20 km range, that means that even 1 Pantsir is enough to protect the entire Damascus with its suburbs. Syria got 36 Pantsirs! They are enough to cover Damascus with suburbs 36 times.

In addition Syria has 20 Buk M2 with range of 42 km. 4 such systems enough to cove almost the entire Lebanon and Damascus area. 20 Buks can cover Lebanon 5 times together with Damascus.

Both systems suppose to dstroy not only planes, but also missiles and bombs fired by them.

In addition Syria has S-200 launchers that can hit targets over all Syria Lebanon and almost all Israel.

It has huge number of Kvadrats and modernized S-125.

It has MiG-29 fighters.

But Syrian AD did not even react when Israel bombed Damascus suburbs it 3 times. Just couple kms from Assad's palace.

 

[500]

Damascus internationa airport. Before and after Israeli strike:

Iranian cargo bye bye.

 

[Rig Vedic]

Pantsir has 20 km range, that means that even 1 Pantsir is enough to protect the entire Damascus with its suburbs. Syria got 36 Pantsirs! They are enough to cover Damascus with suburbs 36 times.

In addition Syria has 20 Buk M2 with range of 42 km. 4 such systems enough to cove almost the entire Lebanon and Damascus area. 20 Buks can cover Lebanon 5 times together with Damascus.

Both systems suppose to dstroy not only planes, but also missiles and bombs fired by them.

In addition Syria has S-200 launchers that can hit targets over all Syria Lebanon and almost all Israel.

It has huge number of Kvadrats and modernized S-125.

It has MiG-29 fighters.

But Syrian AD did not even react when Israel bombed Damascus suburbs it 3 times. Just couple kms from Assad's palace.

Interesting ... As per Pantsir specs it can detect a target with Radar cross section of 1 cm sq, so it should definitely be able to detect Delilah.

I wonder whether the Pantsir systems are deployed at all?

Syria's lack of reaction is puzzling.

Maybe Israel has a way to hack into the radar computers?!

 

[500]

Interesting ... As per Pantsir specs it can detect a target with Radar cross section of 1 cm sq, so it should definitely be able to detect Delilah.

I wonder whether the Pantsir systems are deployed at all?

Syria's lack of reaction is puzzling.

Maybe Israel has a way to hack into the radar computers?!

Firing range demonstrations and real combat situation are very different things.

Here Syrians demonstrate their new goodies Igla, Pechora-2M. Patsyr, Buk M2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7U56BOfv7Q

 

[King Solomon]

Firing range demonstrations and real combat situation are very different things.

Here Syrians demonstrate their new goodies Igla, Pechora-2M. Patsyr, Buk M2:

My guess is that their defense systems were told deliberately to stand down. Of course Assad wouldn't want to go on a war with Israel at a time when his own regime is in doldrums.

 

[500]

My guess is that their defense systems were told deliberately to stand down. Of course Assad wouldn't want to go on a war with Israel at a time when his own regime is in doldrums.

Why stand down when targets near presidential palace are attacked? Why situation today should be different from 1982?

Operation Mole Cricket 19 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Israel told Russians to stay away. But we killed Russian AD crews before.


Pantsir has 20 km range, that means that even 1 Pantsir is enough to protect the entire Damascus with its suburbs. Syria got 36 Pantsirs! They are enough to cover Damascus with suburbs 36 times.

In addition Syria has 20 Buk M2 with range of 42 km. 4 such systems enough to cove almost the entire Lebanon and Damascus area. 20 Buks can cover Lebanon 5 times together with Damascus.

Both systems suppose to dstroy not only planes, but also missiles and bombs fired by them.

In addition Syria has S-200 launchers that can hit targets over all Syria Lebanon and almost all Israel.

It has huge number of Kvadrats and modernized S-125.

It has MiG-29 fighters.

But Syrian AD did not even react when Israel bombed Damascus suburbs it 3 times. Just couple kms from Assad's palace.

My analysis, it's not only the range 500, but also the altitudes. The raid was carried out from great distance and low altitude behind Lebanon mountains, so radars don't detect them, even Syrian media thought it was a missile attack, the raid was just like this one:

Cruise missiles were used. An another factor, is that there were many defections among Syrian troops which created a serious gap in it's Air Defense System, as you know, training and recruiting new crews need time which weren't available with such harsh situation as well as capturing air defence and radar bases which created gaps in Syrian air space,. Just my analysis.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Another thing @500, it was a surprise attack, let's say for argument sake, can Israel prevent a Saudi Europhiter surprise attack using Black Shaheen missiles from a distance of 250km on low altitudes? I doubt that.

 

[Rig Vedic]

Why stand down when targets near presidential palace are attacked? Why situation today should be different from 1982?

Operation Mole Cricket 19 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One difference between 1982 and 2013 is AESA radars, which are harder to detect and destroy with anti-radiation missiles. But I am not sure if the Syrians have them.

 

[Rig Vedic]

My analysis, it's not only the range 500, but also the altitudes. The raid was carried out from great distance and low altitude behind Lebanon mountains, so radars don't detect them, even Syrian media thought it was a missile attack, the raid was just like this one:

Cruise missiles were used. An another factor, is that there were many defections among Syrian troops which created a serious gap in it's Air Defense System, as you know, training and recruiting new crews need time which weren't available with such harsh situation as well as capturing air defence and radar bases which created gaps in Syrian air space,. Just my analysis.

Good analysis, low flying missiles in mountainous terrain does make it hard for air defense radars. There is still a chance that incoming munitions could be intercepted by a modern anti-aircraft-artillery system.

Ultimately there is a limit on how impregnable defenses can be, so some nations may also try to use a strategy of deterrence.

 

[500]

My analysis, it's not only the range 500, but also the altitudes. The raid was carried out from great distance and low altitude behind Lebanon mountains, so radars don't detect them, even Syrian media thought it was a missile attack, the raid was just like this one:

You cant hide behind Lebanon mountains because Syria is located higher than Lebanon.

Cruise missiles were used.

No, bombs were used. Lebanese reported mocking attacks of Israeli jets. Now we know that these were real attacks of Syrians. Some Syrians also saw Israeli jets.

An another factor, is that there were many defections among Syrian troops which created a serious gap in it's Air Defense System

No, there is no any gap there. Damascus air defence is based on SA-6 which overlap each other many many times. All are still active. In addition were added dozens of Pantsir and Buk batteries.

Another thing @500, it was a surprise attack, let's say for argument sake, can Israel prevent a Saudi Europhiter surprise attack using Black Shaheen missiles from a distance of 250km on low altitudes? I doubt that.

It was not really a surprise. In war time chances to approach Israeli objects from 250 km are little.

One difference between 1982 and 2013 is AESA radars, which are harder to detect and destroy with anti-radiation missiles. But I am not sure if the Syrians have them.

Modern missiles, UAV's, recon is way ahead of 1982.