Israel and the New Middle East - All There is to Know

[Doritos11]

They have already lost much more than a million lives for conflicts in the region. They're just yearning for a state. Kurds, sunnis in syria, shias in iraq (saddam), baloch in Pakistan/iran etc. Think of the lives that would've been saved if the shias had their own state during the genocide by saddam.

Yes, create that map and the countries will create alliances and start fighting each other again and terrorizing each other, its not the solution.
You might solve 1 problem of ethnicity for Kurds or religious seperation in Iraq but there are so many different people with their own ideologies, Arab nationalists, Kurdish nationalists, Syrian nationalists for greater Syria, Islamists sunni/shia then we might see a rise in christian groups like kataeb of lebanon.

Does not solve it

 

[Neptune]

Let me give you the keywords of new middle east a.k.a Project Greater Middle East, with formation;

US, Israel, Turkey, Iran, a kurd state to be found. The good facts for me[\B] are:

1- Nobody can ever be able to claim that Turkey is a mid-east country, again. Turkey was half european. But with it, Turkey will become the first European Muslim country.

2- We'll get rid of the Kurds (good ones stay in Turkey of course)

3- Azerbaijan will get united

4- we won't have the problem of defending large areas. So the military will get stronger as much as it can.

Bad Facts for me are:

1- Turkey will be corrupted

2- National Interests will get corrupted

3- People like me will never allow a foundation of a kurd state, even a civil war is worth it. I'd rather die than seeing my country corrupted.

4- Everything is possible. But regional powers will never ever let it be so.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

@anonymus

Hi there,

How's going mate? I hope everything is well and good.

I thought you'd grok what I said spontaneously Sir. I never said that the Central region has a major oil reserves at all. What I said ,on the other hand, was that the central region contains a large amount of oil.

We take these scientific facts for granted bro. And let me set the record straight for you folks, NAJID has a tremendous amount of oil in Al-Aflaj ,Wadi AlDawasir, Kharj,and Hotat Bani Tamim. Thanks to the Saudi PM he knows what's he doing

Yes, We took that little chance and we won. The Saudis aren't talkative too much bro, they mean what they say and they say what they mean.

Cheers

 

[RazorMC]

They have already lost much more than a million lives for conflicts in the region. They're just yearning for a state. Kurds, sunnis in syria, shias in iraq (saddam), baloch in Pakistan/iran etc. Think of the lives that would've been saved if the shias had their own state during the genocide by saddam.

Sunnis in Syria are not asking for their own state. They are laying claim to a united Syria.
Baloch in Pakistan are Pakistani. Only a handful of runaway Baloch are talking of a separate state. If they want it that bacdly, they can ask their sponsors for some land in their host countries. Pakistan's not changing its borders for a few hundred non-Pakistanis.

 

[Hussein]

It is easy for a country to sponsor division and terrorism, or sectarian conflict.
It is easy for a foreign country to watch/see this when they just have no consequence in their own lands.
i can imagine France or UK would be happy other country sponsors division inside their countries.

our nations exist for a long time... and the meaning of division mostly came in the heads of people by foreign countries.
for exemple from Russia who sponsored communist groups or for kurds , here i live in France now, socialists who say kurds should have their own country... as if they are able / have authority to decide the future of countries .. as if they were living in a 19th century period . lol.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

It's the most realistic plan for solving all the ethnic/sectarian tensions in the middle east once and for all. (although i don't agree with everything on the map)

My friend,
Why did you turn 360 degree from a Muslim who used to call for finishing Zionists into a pro Israel? Why is a guy from Kazakhstan suddenly so interested in defending Israel? Plz answer me.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Yes, create that map and the countries will create alliances and start fighting each other again and terrorizing each other, its not the solution.
You might solve 1 problem of ethnicity for Kurds or religious seperation in Iraq but there are so many different people with their own ideologies, Arab nationalists, Kurdish nationalists, Syrian nationalists for greater Syria, Islamists sunni/shia then we might see a rise in christian groups like kataeb of lebanon.

Does not solve it

Maybe many Arabs don't agree with me on this, mostly because it hurts their stupid ego, but monarchy is the best for Arabs, it's clear today, Arabs ruled by monarchy systems are the most stable, progressive, and free. We have got this fact in the hard way.

 

[Doritos11]

Maybe many Arabs don't agree with me on this, mostly because it hurts their stupid ego, but monarchy is the best for Arabs, it's clear today, Arabs ruled by monarchy systems are the most stable, progressive, and free. We have got this fact in the hard way.

Arab states and other ME states such as Iran will not function well under a real democracy at this time.
It does not have to be a monarchy, a President which they would call a dictator would do the same job only he will be criticized for it.

I am not known with royalty system and how it all works, but things have become fake with all this royalty stuff, mohammed 6 claims to descend from the sahaba or Prophet, Saddam claimed to descent from the Prophet.
Monarchy for Iraq is not possible anymore, there is no person that would fit the job or even welcomed by Iraqis as royalty.
Same thing for the other republics, I do not see Egyptians taking royalty serious after all this time they have been a republic.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Arab states and other ME states such as Iran will not function well under a real democracy at this time.
It does not have to be a monarchy, a President which they would call a dictator would do the same job only he will be criticized for it.

I am not known with royalty system and how it all works, but things have become fake with all this royalty stuff, mohammed 6 claims to descend from the sahaba or Prophet, Saddam claimed to descent from the Prophet.
Monarchy for Iraq is not possible anymore, there is no person that would fit the job or even welcomed by Iraqis as royalty.
Same thing for the other republics, I do not see Egyptians taking royalty serious after all this time they have been a republic.

Well, some Arabs criticize Monarchy systems and call it "slavery" while those Monarch countries are ahead of them by tens of years in terms of freedom and justice.
I don't know about Saddam but Mohammed the 6th is a descendant of the prophet, however, that doesn't mean he is infallible or sth, but it's a plus. The thing that disgusts me the most about him is kissing his hand.

 

[Doritos11]

Well, some Arabs criticize Monarchy systems and call it "slavery" while those Monarch countries are ahead of them by tens of years in terms of freedom and justice.
I don't know about Saddam but Mohammed the 6th is a descendant of the prophet, however, that doesn't mean he is infallible or sth, but it's a plus. The thing that disgusts me the most about him is kissing his hand.

Even if descendents he is mixed with others so much now that it barely matters..
It is not a reason to consider someone higher then others, which he does.
Have you seen his kid, people bow to a kid and kiss his hands.

I disagree about the freedom part for a few situations, maybe in Jordan it is different because the king of Jordan seems more educated than the other monarchies, insulting the emirs of the GCC or mohammed 6 could get you in jail, this is backwards aswell.
The monarchy countries are more stable, though I do not believe in the entire royal thing.
Ignore the grammar

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Even if descendents he is mixed with others so much now that it barely matters..
It is not a reason to consider someone higher then others, which he does.
Have you seen his kid, people bow to a kid and kiss his hands.

Yes I have, that was disgusting..

I disagree about the freedom part for a few situations, maybe in Jordan it is different because the king of Jordan seems more educated than the other monarchies, insulting the emirs of the GCC or mohammed 6 could get you in jail, this is backwards aswell.
The monarchy countries are more stable, though I do not believe in the entire royal thing.

Why do Arabs consider insulting some kind of freedom? You have no right to insult anybody, and if you did he has the right to sue you. I did not say Monarchies are totally free, but rather better than republics in this regard, and let me tell you that most people in GCC are ruined with cash and services their govs afford them with, yet many of the ones who oppose them do so is mainly out of foreign/sect motive or just to reach personal goals. What I care about as an ordinary Arab is to get respected and having a good living, and that's afforded in GCC as far as I know. They can as well criticize or point out the weaknesses and corruption in the performance of their govس which affect their lives.

Some opposition in Jordan for instance take advantage of some gullible people ignorance to advocate for their baseless accusations to the government to reach certain goals. Not all of them like that but most are especially the MB who I consider a very serious threat to our countries. At least they shouldn't lie on people and make things up, at least to respect their dirty beards.

 

[Doritos11]

Yes I have, that was disgusting..

Why do Arabs consider insulting some kind of freedom? You have no right to insult anybody, and if you did he has the right to sue you. I did not say Monarchies are totally free, but rather better than republics in this regard, and let me tell you that most people in GCC are ruined with cash and services their govs afford them with, yet many of the ones who oppose them do so is mainly out of foreign/sect motive or just to reach personal goals. What I care about as an ordinary Arab is to get respected and having a good living, and that's afforded in GCC as far as I know. They can as well criticize or point out the weaknesses and corruption in the performance of their govس which affect their lives.

Some opposition in Jordan for instance take advantage of some gullible people ignorance to advocate for their baseless accusations to the government to reach certain goals. Not all of them like that but most are especially the MB who I consider a very serious threat to our countries. At least they shouldn't lie on people and make things up, at least to respect their dirty beards.

I know what you mean but you don’t go to jail doing that to the royal family in the Netherlands for all I know, there in the arab countries they missuse their powers, they do not treat everyone equally and so on.
I agree that GCC is good for its people though, they spent their money well instead of on wars like Iraq, otherwise we would have the same wealth probably if it all kept going well after the 70s.
So no monarchy is needed to have it, it just requires a good system, but its hard to change any system cause 3rd world mentality, once in power they never want to let go.

 

[RayKalm]

They have already lost much more than a million lives for conflicts in the region. They're just yearning for a state. Kurds, sunnis in syria, shias in iraq (saddam), baloch in Pakistan/iran etc. Think of the lives that would've been saved if the shias had their own state during the genocide by saddam.

The only thing this will solve is giving America and Israel an edge in what they have been planning all along. They won't have to fear powerful nations with oils like Iraq or Iran, since all the oil will be in one place, it will be easier for them to get it under their control. They also won't have to worry about Pakistani nuclear bombs capable of hitting Israel for another 10 years.

There will always be separatism and division even amongst the very same people.

 

[Hussein]

Even if descendents he is mixed with others so much now that it barely matters..

he is not. there are so many fake ones.
this is the kind of story that some leaders can create so they say themselves to be the "commandeur des croyants"
("Commander of the Religion" )
all this means so much how the system is about one guy

never been in Morocco? why some people are so rich and most of population is very poor
and people just dream leave the country

it improves .. but this has nothing to do with him but the will of people of the country

as you said , people need democratic system or like in Netherlands a system the king is not a leader and can decide for everything. in netherlands there is a government.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

I know what you mean but you don’t go to jail doing that to the royal family in the Netherlands for all I know,

I was talking about Arab countries. However, again insulting isn't freedom and has never been so. Arab countries are in no comparison with EU countries.

there in the arab countries they missuse their powers, they do not treat everyone equally and so on.

True, my point was Monarchies are better than republics in the Arab world.

I agree that GCC is good for its people though, they spent their money well instead of on wars like Iraq, otherwise we would have the same wealth probably if it all kept going well after the 70s.

If Iraq was a Monarch or at least democratic in the first place it would have been the most advanced and the richest country in the ME, it has everything GCC have plus cultured, educated and smart people, water, rich history, and some fertile lands.

So no monarchy is needed to have it, it just requires a good system, but its hard to change any system cause 3rd world mentality, once in power they never want to let go.

That's why I say Monarchies are better, not because we are backward but rather because we have a totally different culture than the West.