Islamic State Are They Muslims??

[SQ8]

We have United Nations and Christians people dont make a war with us

That dumb Khawarij see Quran verse about war but they dont see the context and other verses

Quran

You also don't fight, if the enemy wants a peace treaty:

008.061 But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards
peace, and trust in God: for He is One that hears and knows (all things).

God Almighty also says in Chapter 60:

060.008 God forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith
nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God
loves those who are just.

060.009 God only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith,
and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from
turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these
circumstances), that do wrong.

That is because Cherry picking religious verses has been used since the time of the Byzantine Christian Empire, The Ummayad Caliphate and recently by Trump Supporters to propel political aspirations

 

[Falcon29]

So in other words. A murderous rapist who prays 5 times a day and believes that he is right should not be tackled?
Because Kufr having its roots in belief, has throughout the Quran been linked to deeds as well. So whilst declaring one Kafir may be questionable, opposing someone for misdeeds, for hatred and for general bloodlust is not. Because not only does the Hadiath you quoted contradict EVERYTHING in the Quran regarding acceptable human behaviour; it also contradicts everything the prophet laid by his example. So either the Hadiath is misquoted or misrepresented.. or is weak; or you are implying that the prophet contradicted the Quran(Astaghfirullah).

What you believe about Hadith is your business and I won't interfere in it. I can't get any more in-depth otherwise it will turn into a religious discussion and religious scholars are more qualified to answer your questions.

What murderous rapist are you talking about? I am using logic here, not every ISIS member is murdering people or raping anyone. But every ISIS member is fighting local army/government. Now whether you believe that is justified or not is up to you. Of course nowadays people come to that conclusion based on their political grievances. So pro-Assad folks wills say yes that's a crime/sin. But some Saudi folks who are against Assad will say there is nothing wrong with that. Now both of them make this conclusion based on their political views and not religious. Religious is whole different case which is complicated.

Any ISIS member that does murder innocents or rapes is going to hell. That doesn't render them non-Muslim. Someone who isn't Muslim is someone like the Prophet's uncle who didn't commit crime but he refused to say the Shahadah on his deathbed. And God said he won't ever forgive him. Do you see the point. Again you can go to hell and still remain Muslim. Being Muslim is mostly based on whether you believe in a God and his Oneness.

I am just trying to be logical here and Islamically accurate. I'm not defending ISIS. As I've said ISIS's platform as a whole transgresses from Islam. The discussion I am having however is based on what renders one Muslims or non-Muslim according to Islam.

look up, got busted ?

Are you okay? Busted about what? Seems like you aren't reading properly.

 

[BDforever]

Are you okay? Busted about what? Seems like you aren't reading properly.

I was asking you about Prophet (SAW) that ever he killed innocent and stole their belongs or even permitted do such thing ?

 

[I.R.A]

Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: Prophet of Allah (sallallahu alayhi wassallam) said:

“There was a man from among a nation before you who killed ninety-nine people and then made an inquiry about the most learned person on the earth. He was directed to a monk. He came to him and told him that he had killed ninety-nine people and asked him if there was any chance for his repentance to be accepted. He replied in the negative and the man killed him also completing one hundred.

He then asked about the most learned man in the earth. He was directed to a scholar. He told him that he had killed one hundred people and asked him if there was any chance for his repentance to be accepted. He replied in the affirmative and asked, `Who stands between you and repentance? Go to such and such land; there (you will find) people devoted to prayer and worship of Allah, join them in worship, and do not come back to your land because it is an evil place.’

So he went away and hardly had he covered half the distance when death overtook him; and there was a dispute between the angels of mercy and the angels of torment. The angels of mercy pleaded, ‘This man has come with a repenting heart to Allah,’ and the angels of punishment argued, ‘He never did a virtuous deed in his life.’ Then there appeared another angel in the form of a human being and the contending angels agreed to make him arbiter between them. He said, `Measure the distance between the two lands. He will be considered belonging to the land to which he is nearer.’ They measured and found him closer to the land (land of piety) where he intended to go, and so the angels of mercy collected his soul”. [Al Bukhari and Muslim]

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Read this Hadees again .................... I find it difficult to accept, a man seeking forgiveness still prefers to do an evil? He cannot ask forgiveness from ALLAH at his home, his place but has to travel to some distant place? And then Angels deciding whether he is pious or evil?

 

[Indos]

That is because Cherry picking religious verses has been used since the time of the Byzantine Christian Empire, The Ummayad Caliphate and recently by Trump Supporters to propel political aspirations

I see Trump Today at Republican debate at CNN justify the idea of killing ISIS familiy

Carlson justify the idea of carpet bombing in Syria

Cruz said that Moslem Brotherhood is a terrorist organisation

That guys are crazy and dumb as well

We share extremist in both side and sadly in their side they have reached established party power, and no way for Muslim majority nation has leaders who has extremist idea like that

 

[Falcon29]

I was asking you about Prophet (SAW) that ever he killed innocent and stole their belongs or even permitted do such thing ?

You misread sir, here is my quote again:

I think we are all familiar here with the story of the criminal who asked the Prophet(SAW) what he needs to do to repent. And he made a journey to the Kaaba in which he died almost half way point. So when the angel of death went to take his soul, God asked him if he reached half way point. Angel responded no. So God shifted the sand or something along those lines and accepted his repentance and we know that this man will end up in Paradise even though he killed dozens. Because his repentance is sincere.

I clearly did not say it was the Prophet(SAW), I said it was a person who want to seek advise from our Prophet(SAW).

Read this Hadees again .................... I find it difficult to accept, a man seeking forgiveness still prefers to do an evil? He cannot ask forgiveness from ALLAH at his home, his place but has to travel to some distant place? And then Angels deciding whether he is pious or evil?

Where does he still prefer evil? It says he genuinely wanted repentance and stopped.

Cruz said that Moslem Brotherhood is a terrorist organisation

That guys are crazy and dumb as well

Cruz says that to secure lobbyist funds. He usually mentions Hamas/Hezbollah and tries associating them ISIS to get Jewish money.

 

[illusion8]

You are asking the wrong question. They are being fought and I can assure you that way and way more than 80% of Iranians are supporting that fight. While under the most draconian sanctions in human history (as per the saying of president of United States), Iranians spared money and blood to fight this battle. Both militarily and ideologically.

But it does not matter, as I said, you are asking the wrong question.

The right question to be asked is, what happens inside the mind of a Muslim kid in Britain or France or Syria or Kuwait that it becomes rewarding for him or her to become so vile?

What happens inside the mind of a Pakistani who goes and blows up a market?

You can not fight this by killing your way out of it.

Unless you can not find answers to right kind of questions, there will be no progress.

Another right question that could be asked is, what is the root cause of all this craziness in our history? What happened in our history that led to us having these many crazies?

I doubt even you know it. You see emotionalism hardly helps when confronted with reality.

The Muslim countries who are fighting Isis are fighting for territorial or sectarian reasons..not for the fact that Isis is against Islam. . Boko works like Isis. Who's fighting them?.

 

[SQ8]

I see Trump Today at Republican debate at CNN justify the idea of killing ISIS familiy

Carlson justify the idea of carpet bombing in Syria

Cruz said that Moslem Brotherhood is a terrorist organisation

That guys are crazy and dumb as well

The Muslim brotherhood is an extremist organization and possibly has ties to terrorists.. so there is some truth there.
But the motivation for the GoP is the same; prey on ignorance and fear to make people believe in things.

 

[BDforever]

You misread sir, here is my quote again:

you did not get it, I asked you what Prophet (SAW) did, what he did with innocent and non-believer, he is our role model. So I will go with whatever he did

 

[I.R.A]

Where does he still prefer evil? It says he genuinely wanted repentance and stopped.

He killed 99 and feels that he has done some wrong but still goes on to score a century by killing another innocent?

 

[illusion8]

@Oscar wtf is this ? where did you get your education ? no wonder you guys are seriously misguided


why was not there ? should be is not it ? according to you

Not according to me..A person is Muslim if he believes in the 5 pillars. The deeds or misdeeds are left for Allah to judge.

 

[Falcon29]

you did not get it, I asked you what Prophet (SAW) did, what he did with innocent and non-believer, he is our role model. So I will go with whatever he did

No you didn't, you made direct reference to the story I was citing. So it was your mistake. As for the Prophet(SAW), he is all Muslims' role model. Nobody said anything different. You were trying to make a case of what renders one a non-Muslim and I made my case in my responses to you.That subject wasn't related to role models.

Not according to me..A person is Muslim if he believes in the 5 pillars. The deeds or misdeeds are left for Allah to judge.

Are you Muslim? Just curious? I thought you were Hindu.

He killed 99 and feels that he has done some wrong but still goes on to score a century by killing another innocent?

Yes, he killed the 100th because he replied in negative, ie that there's no forgiveness for him. Now our conclusion that he was sincere is because God declared so and the hadith is sahih.

The Muslim countries who are fighting Isis are fighting for territorial or sectarian reasons..not for the fact that Isis is against Islam. . Boko works like Isis. Who's fighting them?.

Good point sir, truth has to be told. Iran is fighting to secure its national interests. Every other country involved in Syria is also doing the same. The non-state actors however don't have any nations and hence can't be fighting for national interests. They are fighting for ideological reasons.

 

[Indos]

Cruz says that to secure lobbyist funds. He usually mentions Hamas/Hezbollah and tries associating them ISIS to get Jewish money.

I think for Republican candidate Rubio, Bush, and Paul are quite reasonable, smart, and fair.

Rubio

 

[illusion8]

No you didn't, you made direct reference to the story I was citing. So it was your mistake. As for the Prophet(SAW), he is all Muslims' role model. Nobody said anything different. You were trying to make a case of what renders one a non-Muslim and I made my case in my responses to you.That subject wasn't related to role models.



Are you Muslim? Just curious? I thought you were Hindu.



Yes, he killed the 100th because he replied in negative, ie that there's no forgiveness for him. Now our conclusion that he was sincere is because God declared so and the hadith is sahih.



Good point sir, truth has to be told. Iran is fighting to secure its national interests. Every other country involved in Syria is also doing the same. The non-state actors however don't have any nations and hence can't be fighting for national interests. They are fighting for ideological reasons.

You thought right buddy.

Of course..non state actors do fight for ideological / sectarian..etc reasons.

 

[BDforever]

No you didn't, you made direct reference to the story I was citing. So it was your mistake. As for the Prophet(SAW), he is all Muslims' role model. Nobody said anything different. You were trying to make a case of what renders one a non-Muslim and I made my case in my responses to you.That subject wasn't related to role models.

Did Prophet (SAW) kill any innocent people or stole their belongs or killed non-believer just for not believe in Allah ?
Why am I asking this ? because to clear with you, which one to follow ? not the case who will get the heaven, that is upto Allah to Decide.
again asking you,
Did Prophet (SAW) kill any innocent people or stole their belongs or killed non-believer just for not believe in Allah ?