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[PeeD]

There is meanwhile a good likelihood that this system shown at the 2017 parade in North Korea is connected to Iran.
Back then, North Koreans showed their lightweight liquid ICBMs and heavy weight ones. This one would be a untested solid fuel light ICBM.

Now what is the Iran link?
Well, it was a bold parade that showed 3 parallel strategic programs:
- Liquid lightweight (demonstrated)
- Liquid heavyweight (demonstrated)
- Solid lightweight (not demonstrated)

This sudden appearance of a heavyweight and solid lightweight added to the existing liquid lightweight they were certainly working on, looked amazing but not really credible.
So it might well be that this third solid lightweight was either a early demonstrator, a fake mock-up modeled on DF-31 or a mock-up of an Iranian system (planned to?) transferred to them. Bear in mind that any presented system must look credible enough for enemy experts to believe it.

North Korean missile school favors all-terrain and tracked vehicles for their missiles. When the showed a "Nodong" variant similar to the Ghadr around the late 2000's, it looked like a technology transfer from Iran but the didn't use the road-grade truck of Iranian Ghadr but a MAZ TEL variant.
Hence it looks suspicious: Their Nodong MAZ TELs were available for that Ghadr related Nodong variant but creating a credible looking MAZ based TEL for the new missile would be a difficult task.
Admitted: Their all-terrain TEL capabilities/numbers might not have been sufficient in 2017 to created MAZ variant trucks for the new missile and hence they were forced to use a road-truck TEL.

Next point: It is true that the core of Irans solid fuel missile team was martyred together with Shahid Tehrani Moghaddam, but the capabilities have been regained to some extend.
(according to ***** TV series it was sabotage via Mossad/MEK, intended leak?)
We know that Iran tests ICBM-size boosters via Armscontrolwonk while we don't know about North Korea doing something like that.
Both NK and Iran (Zolfaghar BM) have displayed capability of filament composite casings. Iran probably even carbon fiber based filament technology. Hence the <2m diameter and <18m length of this lightweight ICBM could be weithin miniaturization capabilities of both countries. Original DF-31 ICBM which is larger is very similar in TEL layout but should be a cruder high strength steel based design which requires ~30% larger size.
2008 vintage Sejil design also still used high strength steel based casing technology. The new missile would then represent a filament casing Sejil with diameter improved from 1,3m to 1,9m while keeping the 17-18m lenght, plus better TVC technology. Via those changes the range would improve from 2000km to 12000km.

Sounds much? Well the Dezul has 10-20% total larger dimensions than the Fathe-110 but improved the range from originally 250km 4-fold to 1000km. Now scale this to the Sejil and the new missile: 50% larger diameter than the Sejil, then a 6-fold range increase instead of 4-fold from Fateh to Dezful would be well feasible.

NK showed Aramid/Kevlar based filament technology but Iran looks to have carbon fiber based filament technology. NK has demonstrated solid-fuel-grade TVC vane technology compact and fast-acting enough for a container launched missile without fins, Iran not yet.

The new missile is a very compact ICBM around the same size as Irans Ghadr, Sejil and Shahab-3 TELs. It's warhead might weight just 600-800kg, sufficient for an advanced nuclear warhead but it would only make sense for a <50m CEP conventional warhead.
Iran has not demonstrated a cold launched container based missile, while NK has. Container launch increases cost and is not a must for a climate like Irans. Plus carbon fiber filament casings are also expensive.
So a important question is what economical sense such a single warhead ICBM would make if it does not use nuclear warheads primarily.
So this is the next point: Iran has demonstrated necessary accurate long range accuracy by the Khorramshahr-2 testing video. Can it be scaled to ICBM range or would the INS drift so much that no CEP of <50m is possible @ 12000km? Can terminal course corrections be performed at the incredible high thermal and aerodynamic stress of a ICBM range re-entry?
Huge technological hurdles but if it is possible for Iran, then a conventional lightweight, single warhead ICBM would make sense for Iran against very high value targets. Otherwise a heavy liquid ICBM with MRV, MIRV would be a significantly more cost effective approach.
With a CEP of >200m for a very good, high-speed terminally unguided warhead, a 600-800kg conventional warhead would probably already make no economic sense anymore.

So is the missile at the North Korean parade actually the fruit of Shahid Tehrani Moghaddam and his teams efforts used by NK to display a higher capability than it has?
I think there is a good chance for it.
Has Iran just gave a credible mock-up or transferred the technology to them? Well possible that the whole technology was transferred for their help in other fields.
Is the system robust enough without having being tested? Well possible; boosters with the size have been tested in Iran. Key open hurdle is re-entry and thermal technology barriers. But Irans and NKs understanding of BMs and simulation capabilities seems to be so advanced, that systems are robust enough when finished to work on correctly the first flight.

When I looked at photos from the DF-31 in the early 2000's I wondered when Iran can reach something similar. If this systems turns out to be the alleged light ICBM completed by Shahid Tehrani Moghaddams team (heavy solid ICBM/SLV project ended in the sabotage disaster?), then it is even better than the DF-31...

 

[VEVAK]

There is meanwhile a good likelihood that this system shown at the 2017 parade in North Korea is connected to Iran.
Back then, North Koreans showed their lightweight liquid ICBMs and heavy weight ones. This one would be a untested solid fuel light ICBM.

Now what is the Iran link?
Well, it was a bold parade that showed 3 parallel strategic programs:
- Liquid lightweight (demonstrated)
- Liquid heavyweight (demonstrated)
- Solid lightweight (not demonstrated)

This sudden appearance of a heavyweight and solid lightweight added to the existing liquid lightweight they were certainly working on, looked amazing but not really credible.
So it might well be that this third solid lightweight was either a early demonstrator, a fake mock-up modeled on DF-31 or a mock-up of an Iranian system (planned to?) transferred to them. Bear in mind that any presented system must look credible enough for enemy experts to believe it.

North Korean missile school favors all-terrain and tracked vehicles for their missiles. When the showed a "Nodong" variant similar to the Ghadr around the late 2000's, it looked like a technology transfer from Iran but the didn't use the road-grade truck of Iranian Ghadr but a MAZ TEL variant.
Hence it looks suspicious: Their Nodong MAZ TELs were available for that Ghadr related Nodong variant but creating a credible looking MAZ based TEL for the new missile would be a difficult task.
Admitted: Their all-terrain TEL capabilities/numbers might not have been sufficient in 2017 to created MAZ variant trucks for the new missile and hence they were forced to use a road-truck TEL.

Next point: It is true that the core of Irans solid fuel missile team was martyred together with Shahid Tehrani Moghaddam, but the capabilities have been regained to some extend.
(according to ***** TV series it was sabotage via Mossad/MEK, intended leak?)
We know that Iran tests ICBM-size boosters via Armscontrolwonk while we don't know about North Korea doing something like that.
Both NK and Iran (Zolfaghar BM) have displayed capability of filament composite casings. Iran probably even carbon fiber based filament technology. Hence the <2m diameter and <18m length of this lightweight ICBM could be weithin miniaturization capabilities of both countries. Original DF-31 ICBM which is larger is very similar in TEL layout but should be a cruder high strength steel based design which requires ~30% larger size.
2008 vintage Sejil design also still used high strength steel based casing technology. The new missile would then represent a filament casing Sejil with diameter improved from 1,3m to 1,9m while keeping the 17-18m lenght, plus better TVC technology. Via those changes the range would improve from 2000km to 12000km.

Sounds much? Well the Dezul has 10-20% total larger dimensions than the Fathe-110 but improved the range from originally 250km 4-fold to 1000km. Now scale this to the Sejil and the new missile: 50% larger diameter than the Sejil, then a 6-fold range increase instead of 4-fold from Fateh to Dezful would be well feasible.

NK showed Aramid/Kevlar based filament technology but Iran looks to have carbon fiber based filament technology. NK has demonstrated solid-fuel-grade TVC vane technology compact and fast-acting enough for a container launched missile without fins, Iran not yet.

The new missile is a very compact ICBM around the same size as Irans Ghadr, Sejil and Shahab-3 TELs. It's warhead might weight just 600-800kg, sufficient for an advanced nuclear warhead but it would only make sense for a <50m CEP conventional warhead.
Iran has not demonstrated a cold launched container based missile, while NK has. Container launch increases cost and is not a must for a climate like Irans. Plus carbon fiber filament casings are also expensive.
So a important question is what economical sense such a single warhead ICBM would make if it does not use nuclear warheads primarily.
So this is the next point: Iran has demonstrated necessary accurate long range accuracy by the Khorramshahr-2 testing video. Can it be scaled to ICBM range or would the INS drift so much that no CEP of <50m is possible @ 12000km? Can terminal course corrections be performed at the incredible high thermal and aerodynamic stress of a ICBM range re-entry?
Huge technological hurdles but if it is possible for Iran, then a conventional lightweight, single warhead ICBM would make sense for Iran against very high value targets. Otherwise a heavy liquid ICBM with MRV, MIRV would be a significantly more cost effective approach.
With a CEP of >200m for a very good, high-speed terminally unguided warhead, a 600-800kg conventional warhead would probably already make no economic sense anymore.

So is the missile at the North Korean parade actually the fruit of Shahid Tehrani Moghaddam and his teams efforts used by NK to display a higher capability than it has?
I think there is a good chance for it.
Has Iran just gave a credible mock-up or transferred the technology to them? Well possible that the whole technology was transferred for their help in other fields.
Is the system robust enough without having being tested? Well possible; boosters with the size have been tested in Iran. Key open hurdle is re-entry and thermal technology barriers. But Irans and NKs understanding of BMs and simulation capabilities seems to be so advanced, that systems are robust enough when finished to work on correctly the first flight.

When I looked at photos from the DF-31 in the early 2000's I wondered when Iran can reach something similar. If this systems turns out to be the alleged light ICBM completed by Shahid Tehrani Moghaddams team (heavy solid ICBM/SLV project ended in the sabotage disaster?), then it is even better than the DF-31...

Just as advancements in U.S. missile program never stop for a second after Von Braun's passing, the murder of Tehrani Mogdam as tragic as it was turned out to be nothing more than a hiccup in the overall history of Iran's missile program.

In under a decade since his passing Iran's precision guided Fatteh-110 class went from 450km (In test phase) to ~1000km with the Dezful (now capable of hitting Israeli targets) with vast improvements made to not only range but targeting, guidance, warheads, launch platforms, Airframe composites, flight control,.... And the improvements in that particular program have been like clockwork and if anything came back with vengeance so much so that more likely than not by 2021 in only a decade after his passing Iran will likely turn the original 250km Fateh class into a missile capable of reaching all Israeli targets with a CEP of under 20meters with a relatively low cost 1.5 stage BM that can be mass produced and mass deployed using relatively low cost mobile launchers.

As for ICBM's both in terms of liquid and solid fuel the main impediment for Iran in that regard is Iran's leaderships decision making and the so far self imposed restrictions on ICBM's not technology. According to Hajizadeh the 1st thing he did when he became the head of the IRGC aerospace forces was to put forth a plan for a rather large ICBM that was rejected by the supreme leaders & they were instead ordered to shift their focus on towards accuracy...

And simply put building ICBM's capable of reaching U.S. soil would be rather useless without building a large enough nuclear deterrence capability that would allow you to retaliate against U.S. soil conventionally without fear of a nuclear response due to a sufficient sized nuclear stockpile.
That said, Iran most defiantly needs to build wider diameter BM capable of carrying larger number of MIRV and decoy's where ~100 launches would have the accuracy to be sufficient enough to disable the Air Force of any regional power or areal threat as far as 2500km away and US could call that an ICBM all it wants but for practical use that's what they should be designed to be used for.... So even if with silo's and all the cost comes out to $20 Million USD per missile/launch if you can simply take out 8 sperate bunkered targets with each launch within the first few hours of a conflict the costs would still be well worth it.

 

[skyshadow]

There is meanwhile a good likelihood that this system shown at the 2017 parade in North Korea is connected to Iran.
Back then, North Koreans showed their lightweight liquid ICBMs and heavy weight ones. This one would be a untested solid fuel light ICBM.

Now what is the Iran link?
Well, it was a bold parade that showed 3 parallel strategic programs:
- Liquid lightweight (demonstrated)
- Liquid heavyweight (demonstrated)
- Solid lightweight (not demonstrated)

This sudden appearance of a heavyweight and solid lightweight added to the existing liquid lightweight they were certainly working on, looked amazing but not really credible.
So it might well be that this third solid lightweight was either a early demonstrator, a fake mock-up modeled on DF-31 or a mock-up of an Iranian system (planned to?) transferred to them. Bear in mind that any presented system must look credible enough for enemy experts to believe it.

North Korean missile school favors all-terrain and tracked vehicles for their missiles. When the showed a "Nodong" variant similar to the Ghadr around the late 2000's, it looked like a technology transfer from Iran but the didn't use the road-grade truck of Iranian Ghadr but a MAZ TEL variant.
Hence it looks suspicious: Their Nodong MAZ TELs were available for that Ghadr related Nodong variant but creating a credible looking MAZ based TEL for the new missile would be a difficult task.
Admitted: Their all-terrain TEL capabilities/numbers might not have been sufficient in 2017 to created MAZ variant trucks for the new missile and hence they were forced to use a road-truck TEL.

Next point: It is true that the core of Irans solid fuel missile team was martyred together with Shahid Tehrani Moghaddam, but the capabilities have been regained to some extend.
(according to ***** TV series it was sabotage via Mossad/MEK, intended leak?)
We know that Iran tests ICBM-size boosters via Armscontrolwonk while we don't know about North Korea doing something like that.
Both NK and Iran (Zolfaghar BM) have displayed capability of filament composite casings. Iran probably even carbon fiber based filament technology. Hence the <2m diameter and <18m length of this lightweight ICBM could be weithin miniaturization capabilities of both countries. Original DF-31 ICBM which is larger is very similar in TEL layout but should be a cruder high strength steel based design which requires ~30% larger size.
2008 vintage Sejil design also still used high strength steel based casing technology. The new missile would then represent a filament casing Sejil with diameter improved from 1,3m to 1,9m while keeping the 17-18m lenght, plus better TVC technology. Via those changes the range would improve from 2000km to 12000km.

Sounds much? Well the Dezul has 10-20% total larger dimensions than the Fathe-110 but improved the range from originally 250km 4-fold to 1000km. Now scale this to the Sejil and the new missile: 50% larger diameter than the Sejil, then a 6-fold range increase instead of 4-fold from Fateh to Dezful would be well feasible.

NK showed Aramid/Kevlar based filament technology but Iran looks to have carbon fiber based filament technology. NK has demonstrated solid-fuel-grade TVC vane technology compact and fast-acting enough for a container launched missile without fins, Iran not yet.

The new missile is a very compact ICBM around the same size as Irans Ghadr, Sejil and Shahab-3 TELs. It's warhead might weight just 600-800kg, sufficient for an advanced nuclear warhead but it would only make sense for a <50m CEP conventional warhead.
Iran has not demonstrated a cold launched container based missile, while NK has. Container launch increases cost and is not a must for a climate like Irans. Plus carbon fiber filament casings are also expensive.
So a important question is what economical sense such a single warhead ICBM would make if it does not use nuclear warheads primarily.
So this is the next point: Iran has demonstrated necessary accurate long range accuracy by the Khorramshahr-2 testing video. Can it be scaled to ICBM range or would the INS drift so much that no CEP of <50m is possible @ 12000km? Can terminal course corrections be performed at the incredible high thermal and aerodynamic stress of a ICBM range re-entry?
Huge technological hurdles but if it is possible for Iran, then a conventional lightweight, single warhead ICBM would make sense for Iran against very high value targets. Otherwise a heavy liquid ICBM with MRV, MIRV would be a significantly more cost effective approach.
With a CEP of >200m for a very good, high-speed terminally unguided warhead, a 600-800kg conventional warhead would probably already make no economic sense anymore.

So is the missile at the North Korean parade actually the fruit of Shahid Tehrani Moghaddam and his teams efforts used by NK to display a higher capability than it has?
I think there is a good chance for it.
Has Iran just gave a credible mock-up or transferred the technology to them? Well possible that the whole technology was transferred for their help in other fields.
Is the system robust enough without having being tested? Well possible; boosters with the size have been tested in Iran. Key open hurdle is re-entry and thermal technology barriers. But Irans and NKs understanding of BMs and simulation capabilities seems to be so advanced, that systems are robust enough when finished to work on correctly the first flight.

When I looked at photos from the DF-31 in the early 2000's I wondered when Iran can reach something similar. If this systems turns out to be the alleged light ICBM completed by Shahid Tehrani Moghaddams team (heavy solid ICBM/SLV project ended in the sabotage disaster?), then it is even better than the DF-31...

so you say a solid fuel Khoramshahr missile would have 12000 KM range? is it possible to turn Khoramshahr to a solid fuel missile?

 

[Ich]

so you say a solid fuel Khoramshahr missile would have 12000 KM range? is it possible to turn Khoramshahr to a solid fuel missile?

Me think solid fuel is not solid fuel is not solid fuel. Also for each different solid fuel one have to invent special arangements inside the missile bodys to perfect the burning. So solid fuel does not automatically mean range beyond 10000 km.

 

[PeeD]

Just as advancements in U.S. missile program never stop for a second after Von Braun's passing, the murder of Tehrani Mogdam as tragic as it was turned out to be nothing more than a hiccup in the overall history of Iran's missile program.

In under a decade since his passing Iran's precision guided Fatteh-110 class went from 450km (In test phase) to ~1000km with the Dezful (now capable of hitting Israeli targets) with vast improvements made to not only range but targeting, guidance, warheads, launch platforms, Airframe composites, flight control,.... And the improvements in that particular program have been like clockwork and if anything came back with vengeance so much so that more likely than not by 2021 in only a decade after his passing Iran will likely turn the original 250km Fateh class into a missile capable of reaching all Israeli targets with a CEP of under 20meters with a relatively low cost 1.5 stage BM that can be mass produced and mass deployed using relatively low cost mobile launchers.

As for ICBM's both in terms of liquid and solid fuel the main impediment for Iran in that regard is Iran's leaderships decision making and the so far self imposed restrictions on ICBM's not technology. According to Hajizadeh the 1st thing he did when he became the head of the IRGC aerospace forces was to put forth a plan for a rather large ICBM that was rejected by the supreme leaders & they were instead ordered to shift their focus on towards accuracy...

And simply put building ICBM's capable of reaching U.S. soil would be rather useless without building a large enough nuclear deterrence capability that would allow you to retaliate against U.S. soil conventionally without fear of a nuclear response due to a sufficient sized nuclear stockpile.
That said, Iran most defiantly needs to build wider diameter BM capable of carrying larger number of MIRV and decoy's where ~100 launches would have the accuracy to be sufficient enough to disable the Air Force of any regional power or areal threat as far as 2500km away and US could call that an ICBM all it wants but for practical use that's what they should be designed to be used for.... So even if with silo's and all the cost comes out to $20 Million USD per missile/launch if you can simply take out 8 sperate bunkered targets with each launch within the first few hours of a conflict the costs would still be well worth it.

Officially Iran should go the path you described there: A single stage MIRVed variant of that ICBM or a >2m diameter variant. That can be credibly sold as 2500km limited missile to the public world.
However I think there is a good likelihood that what was presented as North Korean missile there is in fact a Iranian one. Iran worked on and tested solid fuel boosters intensively while NKs testing program was very limited. Traditionally North Koreans are good at liquid fuel missile motors, while Iranians have the Fateh-Sejil history.
I hence believe that this is very likely Irans solid light ICBM we see there. The system completed before Shahid Tehrani Moghaddams team moved to the Qaem-SLV/heavy ICBM program.
That system would be kept secret and only used with the potential Soviet origin nuclear warhead arsenal Iran likely has.
The conventional variant of it would require key technological barriers to be broken, primary in the field of re-entry of a MaRV. That's the part I doubt Iran has achieved.
If it is achieved and the political climate suitable, Iran could present such a light conventional ICBM in open public. Remember that Iran is a non-nuclear weapon state under safeguard inspections, it may credibly use conventional ICBMs against the U.S without a nuclear retaliation.

so you say a solid fuel Khoramshahr missile would have 12000 KM range? is it possible to turn Khoramshahr to a solid fuel missile?

No. Khorramshahr is a single stage liquid fuel missile with 30% overall smaller dimensions. Liquid fuel missiles can't be redesigned into solid fuel once as they are fundamentally different. But the MaRV and guidance system of the Khorramshahr-2 is a good starting point for improving it the ICBM-level reentry speeds.
Just to make it clear: This is science fiction for now, no MaRV equipped ICBM has been seen till today. Only the Yars and last Topol variant are claimed to be MaRV equipped (quite certain for the Yars) and the Avantgard HGV as nextgen post-MaRV technology. Chinese have not yet reached it and France also not... Only Russians... MaRV at ICBM speeds are extremely difficult to master and normally only for ABM system countering, as pin-point accuracy (<=50m CEP) is no concern with nuclear warhead equipped missiles (200m sufficient).

 

[TheImmortal]

If you look at the amount of Iranian Missile scientists that have died since the 80’s testing and building, I would venture to say the number exceeds 50 maybe 100.

Tehrani Moghadam was at the base in his office and was not there for any purpose. Just wrong place and wrong time.

Even in this day and age, scientists around the world die in US/Russia/China when working with volatile fuels and system.

Transporting solid fuel is extremely dangerous and one has to be careful of static discharge.

You can tell now by looking at the videos of underground missile cities the care that is taken to transport such missiles and store them.

Unfortunately it is quite likely that ineptitude and lack of safety caused the detonation of Missile during transportation. Being so close to other missiles caused secondary explosion.

It’s more propaganda and face saving to say sabotage then admit to ineptitude.

Nonetheless, the deaths did set Iran’s program back much more than 2-3 years possible up to 5 years or more. I think most of the worked moved to Sharud.

It’s clear after his death, the focus changed from longer range to increasing accuracy of existing arsenal types.

 

[Oldman1]

I mentioned the GBU-28 because it's a 5000lb bomb an F-15 can carry and it's capable of penetrating over 100ft! Also without knowing how the tunnels are structured and where the missiles are stored or if the tunnels are re enforced with concrete or not it really doesn't matter how deep you can penetrate! Which is why U.S. wants access to all Iranian Military bases and it's also why Iran will never give it to them!

U.S. makes public most of it's ordnances and they most times they overplay their capabilities to create a fear factor you can simply do a search on wiki and yes U.S. also has weapons that they don't make public too
BUT to hit and destroy Iranian Missile Bases much like Iran's Fordow facility the U.S. will need to use weapons like the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_Ordnance_Penetrator or the larger MOAB
And these are weapons that weighs as much as an F-16 so you would need a bomber to get inside a highly protected Airspace and Iran would shoot it down just as easily as we shot down the RQ-4 (Or MQ-4) that was flying at over 50,000 feet!!!!

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U.S. stealth tech used in the trident that was shot down by Iran using an Iranian BUILT SAM system flying at over 50,000ft! So yea that wasn't just any aircraft or just any RQ-4

You wouldn't be able to shoot it down because your air defense systems would be destroyed by then AND the MOAB are carried by stealth bombers.

I don't know if they would launch 100, but maybe 20-30, even if half hit it's good enough. Iran will probably launch missiles with larger warheads at vital installations.



Iraq never had the weapons & preparation that Iran has. Iran has well over 100,000 missiles, some say more than 200,000. Most of Iran's missile launchers & air defense batteries are highly mobile which makes them extremely difficult to target. Look at Saudi Arabia, with the 3rd largest military budget on earth, more than Russia. Saudi's have help from the USA, with US jets & satellite intelligence, yet they can't stop the rag tag Houthi rebels from Yemen, the poorest Arab country on earth, from constantly targeting their pipelines & airports with old modified scuds & plastic drones.

Another thing you have to understand is that most of Iran's mobile assets are hidden deep underground in secret fortified bunker. Iran has hundreds of such bunkers and networks of tunnels spread throughout the country. Some are underneath mountain ranges. The problem is that the US doesn't know where most of them are. You're comparing little concrete aircraft shelters in Syria to bases which are half a km or more underground, protected by layers of military grade concrete & underneath mountain ranges ?

Iran has 5000 air defense sites. For the US to attack Iran, the US would require a hell of alot more assets & personnel in the region than what it has now. That buildup would takes months but as soon as Iran became aware of their intention, Iran would act & strike first. All Iran needs to do is destroy Saudi Arabia's oil facilities. It would cause the price of oil to quadruple or even more overnight. The economy in the US would shut down. Millions unemployed, riots, etc & countless companies that are in debt or on the edge would go bankrupt, exacerbating problems. Aside from the US, the entire global economy would experience a serious meltdown that would take decades to recover from.

Attacking Iran is not an easy task & no cake walk. Talk is one things, bluffs about fire & fury are another, but going to war with Iran would be a disaster for the US, not worth it.






The problem is that Iran has hundreds of underground missile bases & their networks of tunnels run underneath the entire nation. The people who work in these bases are hand picked & I doubt if the US knows where they all are. Even if they know where some of them are, I doubt if a bunker buster will go through an entire mountain & then cut through half a km of military grade, layered concrete that is specially designed to resist bombs. The MOP bunker buster, for example, can only penetrate 60 feet of concrete & that's not even the kind of concrete Iran has & Iran layers it's concrete to make it more effective.

Another issue is that Iran has 5000+ air defense sites & for the US to launch an attack on Iran, they would need a hell of alot more assets & personnel than what they have in the region now. That buildup would be obvious & as soonas Iran became aware, it would launch a pre-emptive strike. All Iran has to do is target Saudi Arabia's oil facilities. Once the price of oil quadruples, it will lead to a global financial meltdown. It's just not worth it from a financial standpoint for the US to wage a war against Iran. It's not feasible.

Targeting Saudi Arabia would make things worse for you because you be pushing many countries in the ME against Iran, especially the world as well including Russia and China that would have their economies collapsed. 5000 air defenses or so is nothing. The U.S. was prepared to take on the Soviet Union at its prime that had more! And you doubt about the effectiveness of the bunker busters, but you know the U.S. always testing and studying how to penetrate bunkers.

 

[PeeD]

Iran is creating a new and unique missile launch concept. It is much more survivable than its previous concept while more cost effective than its super-hardened cavern silo launch system already unveiled (the highest performance launch concept of Iran and known to mankind).
Innovative and effective approach but I won't be the first one to reveal it in open source.

 

[skyshadow]

Iran is creating a new and unique missile launch concept. It is much more survivable than its previous concept while more cost effective than its super-hardened cavern silo launch system already unveiled (the highest performance launch concept of Iran and known to mankind).
Innovative and effective approach but I won't be the first one to reveal it in open source.

Can you explain more? in other word dude what are you talking about

 

[skyshadow]

did you guys knew that Iran can hit US main land from Venezuela? and that was almost 10 years ago

Iranian missiles in Venezuela

http://infodio.com/content/iranian-missiles-venezuela

بر اساس توافق دو طرف، ایران یک پایگاه موشکی در خاک ونزوئلا راه‌اندازی می‌کند

http://www.irdiplomacy.ir/fa/news/12887/وقتی-ایران-و-ونزوئلا-خواب-را-بر-امریکا-حرام-می-کنند


ساخت پايگاه موشکي محرمانه سپاه در ونزوئلا

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/45899/%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%AE%D8%AA%D9%BE%D8%A7%D9%8A%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87-%D9%85%D9%88%D8%B4%DA%A9%D9%8A-%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%B1%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%87-%D8%B3%D9%BE%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%88%D9%86%D8%B2%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%84%D8%A7



پایگاه موشکی محرمانه ایران در خاک ونزوئلا


https://www.dw.com/fa-ir/پایگاه-موشکی-محرمانه-ایران-در-خاک-ونزوئلا/a-15069154-0

Is This The Venezuelan Missile Base Being Built With Iranian Oil Profits?

https://www.businessinsider.com/iran-is-building-rocket-bases-in-venezuala-2012-1

 

[Mithridates]

did you guys knew that Iran can hit US main land from Venezuela? and that was almost 10 years ago

Iranian missiles in Venezuela

http://infodio.com/content/iranian-missiles-venezuela

بر اساس توافق دو طرف، ایران یک پایگاه موشکی در خاک ونزوئلا راه‌اندازی می‌کند

http://www.irdiplomacy.ir/fa/news/12887/وقتی-ایران-و-ونزوئلا-خواب-را-بر-امریکا-حرام-می-کنند


ساخت پايگاه موشکي محرمانه سپاه در ونزوئلا

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/45899/%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%AE%D8%AA%D9%BE%D8%A7%D9%8A%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87-%D9%85%D9%88%D8%B4%DA%A9%D9%8A-%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%B1%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%87-%D8%B3%D9%BE%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%88%D9%86%D8%B2%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%84%D8%A7



پایگاه موشکی محرمانه ایران در خاک ونزوئلا


https://www.dw.com/fa-ir/پایگاه-موشکی-محرمانه-ایران-در-خاک-ونزوئلا/a-15069154-0

Is This The Venezuelan Missile Base Being Built With Iranian Oil Profits?

https://www.businessinsider.com/iran-is-building-rocket-bases-in-venezuala-2012-1

i have read about it years ago, but for a robust power projection to US southern states we should deploy more drones, ships, helicopters and special forces. only missile is not enough.

 

[TheImmortal]

i have read about it years ago, but for a robust power projection to US southern states we should deploy more drones, ships, helicopters and special forces. only missile is not enough.

Are you out of your mind. Any force attempting “power projection” onto the southern US would be destroyed in a blink of an eye.

US mainland is not a country you try to “power project” against. It is quite literally impossible to invade a single state and survive.

This article is propaganda. Iran does not have missiles aimed at US mainland, that is major red line for US. When Soviet Union attempted to do that with Cuba, US was prepared for nuclear war if they didn’t remove them.

 

[Mithridates]

Are you out of your mind. Any force attempting “power projection” onto the southern US would be destroyed in a blink of an eye.

US mainland is not a country you try to “power project” against. It is quite literally impossible to invade a single state and survive.

This article is propaganda. Iran does not have missiles aimed at US mainland, that is major red line for US. When Soviet Union attempted to do that with Cuba, US was prepared for nuclear war if they didn’t remove them.

fair enough, we should grow bigger than today to do that mission.

 

[PeeD]

Funnily enough key to striking mainland U.S for the next 50+ years is a fast boostphase ICBM deep inside central Iran.

Can you explain more? in other word dude what are you talking about

They certainly know it already but I still won't make myself a tool for enemy intelligence. I just give certain but blurry general info for the morale of hammihanan.

 

[Ich]

Cold launch, hot launch, what else is out there?