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[Ich]

IRGC

Is that a new version of the Heidar 0.50 in the forth pic?

 

[skyshadow]

Is that a new version of the Heidar 0.50 in the forth pic?

no, its Sayyad 50 cal sniper rifle

 

[Ich]

no, its Sayyad 50 cal sniper rifle

Ah, i always mix them up.

 

[skyshadow]

IRGC ground forces

 

[Stryker1982]

IRGC ground forces

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Are those AK-74s?
Or 103's.
Getting hard to tell these days.

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

Are those AK-74s?
Or 103's.
Getting hard to tell these days.

Those are AK-103s that were purchased from Russia a few years ago. Iran also manufactures its own Ak-103 copies under license most likely. Iran has never purchased AK-74s as far as I know and I have never heard of 5.45mm x 39 ammunition used by Iran

 

[reflecthofgeismar]

Those are AK-103s that were purchased from Russia a few years ago. Iran also manufactures its own Ak-103 copies under license most likely. Iran has never purchased AK-74s as far as I know and I have never heard of 5.45mm x 39 ammunition used by Iran

Still, Iran is using too many different ammo-types for small arms.
I understand the "two army"-system.
But couldn't it be like Wehrmacht/Waffen-SS? (Not in the beginning when the Waffen-SS had often to rely on foreign weapons bc Wehrmacht had priority and didn't want to share.)

So, IRGC is always the first to get the new stuff.
Then the premium army units.
Then the regular/typical army units.
Then the reserve/training units.
Less stuff is always better (except for few specialized units), smaller logistical footprint, you can easier mass produce ... logistic is one of the (enormous) strength of the US (look WW2, pervert).

ATM (mostly?)
12 gauge (Both)
9x19mm (Pistols, SMG) (Both)
5.56x45mm (Artesh, IRGC Special Forces)
7.62x51mm (Artesh, IRGC Special Forces)
7.62x39mm (IRGC)
7.62x54mm (IRGC)
12.7x108mm (Both)

Usually I would like to decide on "Western or Eastern "Interim" (5.56x45mm/7.62x39mm) and "Full-sized" (7.62x51mm/7.62x54mm) - Rounds...

What do you guys think?
Everyone, except special units, the same?

BTW, any news on a new Iranian tracked and wheeled APC/IFVs?
Can't you get license for BMP-3, BTR-82A?
Or just upgrade your BMP-2 to one of the BMP-2M (Several Variants are there) with Iranian made weapons.
And your upgraded wheeled BTR-"82" (Iranian Upgrade package for BTR-60PB, not to be confused with russian BTR-82 variants) with BMP-2 turret?

 

[TheImmortal]

BTW, any news on a new Iranian tracked and wheeled APC/IFVs?
Can't you get license for BMP-3, BTR-82A?
Or just upgrade your BMP-2 to one of the BMP-2M (Several Variants are there) with Iranian made weapons.
And your upgraded wheeled BTR-"82" (Iranian Upgrade package for BTR-60PB, not to be confused with russian BTR-82 variants) with BMP-2 turret?

Waste of money. There is no imminent threat of land invasion to be pouring money into tanks, APS, IFVs. iran is literally one of the most difficult countries to take over via land.

And for offense purposes, it’s enemies are all far away out of the range of such weapons (Israel and Saudi Arabia) so it’s not like Iran would use them on an offensive campaign.

Thus it has the least priority in armed forces.

 

[skyshadow]

Are those AK-74s?
Or 103's.
Getting hard to tell these days.

some 47 some 103

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

some 47 some 103

All the rifles in these pics are AK-103s. look at the butts and muzzle breaks. Iran does not have AK-47s. Only AKMs,Type-56 and KL-7s.

Still, Iran is using too many different ammo-types for small arms.
I understand the "two army"-system.
But couldn't it be like Wehrmacht/Waffen-SS? (Not in the beginning when the Waffen-SS had often to rely on foreign weapons bc Wehrmacht had priority and didn't want to share.)

So, IRGC is always the first to get the new stuff.
Then the premium army units.
Then the regular/typical army units.
Then the reserve/training units.
Less stuff is always better (except for few specialized units), smaller logistical footprint, you can easier mass produce ... logistic is one of the (enormous) strength of the US (look WW2, pervert).

ATM (mostly?)
12 gauge (Both)
9x19mm (Pistols, SMG) (Both)
5.56x45mm (Artesh, IRGC Special Forces)
7.62x51mm (Artesh, IRGC Special Forces)
7.62x39mm (IRGC)
7.62x54mm (IRGC)
12.7x108mm (Both)

Usually I would like to decide on "Western or Eastern "Interim" (5.56x45mm/7.62x39mm) and "Full-sized" (7.62x51mm/7.62x54mm) - Rounds...

What do you guys think?
Everyone, except special units, the same?

BTW, any news on a new Iranian tracked and wheeled APC/IFVs?
Can't you get license for BMP-3, BTR-82A?
Or just upgrade your BMP-2 to one of the BMP-2M (Several Variants are there) with Iranian made weapons.
And your upgraded wheeled BTR-"82" (Iranian Upgrade package for BTR-60PB, not to be confused with russian BTR-82 variants) with BMP-2 turret?

Army(Artesh)
5.56mmx45
7.62mmx39
7.62mmx51
7.62mmx54

IRGC (Sepah)
5.56mmx45
7.62mmx39
7.62mmx54

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

Waste of money. There is no imminent threat of land invasion to be pouring money into tanks, APS, IFVs. iran is literally one of the most difficult countries to take over via land.

And for offense purposes, it’s enemies are all far away out of the range of such weapons (Israel and Saudi Arabia) so it’s not like Iran would use them on an offensive campaign.

Thus it has the least priority in armed forces.

This is a wrong and dangerous mentality to have. Although most of Iran's territory can be considered as a "mountain fortress", the Khuzestan plains where the majority of Iran's oil fields are located are very vulnerable to modern armoured warfare considering Iranian armour is generally very outdated. Political situation can change very quickly, Its not important that today there is not much of a threat. the Important thing is to have a viable defense against any future threat that may arise in the future.

 

[TheImmortal]

This is a wrong and dangerous mentality to have. Although most of Iran's territory can be considered as a "mountain fortress", the Khuzestan plains where the majority of Iran's oil fields are located are very vulnerable to modern armoured warfare considering Iranian armour is generally very outdated.

And who is going to invade Iran by land with at least 750,000 soldiers in near future (less than 5 years) ? Do you even know where Khuzetan is? How has the latest in armour helped Saudi Arabia defeat Houthi’s and there $100K Kornet missiles?

What are your credentials making such a claim? Pentagon and former Israeli spy chiefs have discussed the fact a land invasion of Iran is next to impossible.

 

[Stryker1982]

And who is going to invade Iran by land with at least 750,000 soldiers in near future (less than 5 years) ? Do you even know where Khuzetan is? How has the latest in armour helped Saudi Arabia defeat Houthi’s and there $100K Kornet missiles?

What are your credentials making such a claim? Pentagon and former Israeli spy chiefs have discussed the fact a land invasion of Iran is next to impossible.

You didn't read what he said properly. He mentioned importance of Khuzistan province to Iran, perhaps critically important and its terrain is very suitable for heavy armor.

 

[TheImmortal]

You didn't read what he said properly. He mentioned importance of Khuzistan province to Iran, perhaps critically important and its terrain is very suitable for heavy armor.

Yes I understand. But where is that heavy armor going to come from. Iraq isn’t going to invade Iran ever again and certainly not in next decade

So the only threat to some heavy tanks rolling into Khuzestan and holding Iranian oil hostage is a full US land invasion of Iran, which again I just told you is very very unlikely as the amount of troops and weapons required would be enormously costly war ($5T+)

US since 2008 now relies on sanctions, covert revolutions/civil war, air/cruise missile limited strikes on proxies, cyber warfare, Sabatoge operations in order to hold back its enemies (Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea).

No president (baring WW3 or a major attack by said countries) will authorize a land invasion of Iran. It’s political suicide.

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

And who is going to invade Iran by land with at least 750,000 soldiers in near future (less than 5 years) ? Do you even know where Khuzetan is? How has the latest in armour helped Saudi Arabia defeat Houthi’s and there $100K Kornet missiles?

What are your credentials making such a claim? Pentagon and former Israeli spy chiefs have discussed the fact a land invasion of Iran is next to impossible.

Just because today you do not see a likelihood of an attack does not mean that the situation can never change rapidly. Proper militaries do not equip and train them selves for battle only when battle is imminent. They do so in order to be prepared for any future threat that may arise. If on Sept 10 2001 someone was going to tell you that the U.S was going to invade Afghanistan by the end of the year, what would you have told them?

Just because the Saddam and the Saudis are incompetent when it comes to Maneuver warfare it does not mean that all of Iran's enemies are as well. What good is a Kornet/Dehlaveah Atgm going to be against a Modern MBT with aps?