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[Bahram Esfandiari]

there is a reason that they ordered less than 200 karrar tank and on other hand on each unveiling you see tens of drones being delivered to them . so I guess they are on the right track and there is no need for me to contact them . why not you contact them and ask them why they don't order more tanks , why while you are at it , don't ask them when those Karrar tanks are going to be delivered to armed forces ?

Where do you get the "less than 200" from?

 

[925boy]

What are your credentials making such a claim? Pentagon and former Israeli spy chiefs have discussed the fact a land invasion of Iran is next to impossible.

This is a fallacy - Argumentum ad authoritatum- he doesnt need "qualifications" tobe right and qualifications dont make US/ISraeli spy chiefs correct..just sayin...

 

[925boy]

Makes me wonder if Iran has hardened up the area similar to the Korean dmz or might do so in the future. There is also the evil pan demons in the area to have to deal with as seen in Mahshahr a while back.

Lets have a reality check- THere is no real world where the IRGC has not made land invasion via Persian gulf a dead zone for enemy forces, just being 100% factual here. NO CHANCE. The West is ALREADY afraid to keep their warships in the Persian Gulf when conflict gets "hot", so landing troops amphibiously will lead to relatively large losses by the invading force...Iranian govt already said the sea is the only real way fo r the enemy to attack, thats why Iran has focused ALOT on its naval forces and the Persian Gulf.

If there is any person on PDF who believes Iran cannot LOCK the strait of HOrmuz up and destroy any vessel within it, those people are still on waitlist to take class on fake Iranian weapons.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Where do you get the "less than 200" from?

simple conclusion we have 600 T72 and they claimed we are going to upgrade all T72 to Karrar standard and in another place they said we are producing and upgarading 800 tank to karrar . that a simple subtraction .

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

simple conclusion we have 600 T72 and they claimed we are going to upgrade all T72 to Karrar standard and in another place they said we are producing and upgarading 800 tank to karrar . that a simple subtraction .

Ok. That is still 800 Karrars at the end of the day. Those T-72s being upgraded are basically just the hull that will be fitted with new engine(possibly Transmission), new Turret... They will be indistinguishable from 100% built Karrars.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Ok. That is still 800 Karrars at the end of the day. Those T-72s being upgraded are basically just the hull that will be fitted with new engine(possibly Transmission), new Turret... They will be indistinguishable from 100% built Karrars.

new engine and new turret and hopefully remote controlled gun and targeting system . the tanks will be more useful but I don't think their survivability improve much

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

new engine and new turret and hopefully remote controlled gun and targeting system . the tanks will be more useful but I don't think their survivability improve much

The new Turret has armour similar (in appearance) to T-90. It has a new ERA package similar in appearance to Russian Relikt ERA(possibly effective against APDSFS as well as HEAT) with much improved coverage over the T-72S and its contact-1 ERA. It uses slat/cage armour in the rear of hull and turret against HEAT rounds. It has much better survivability than any other MBT in Iran's possession by far!

I hope that If the Iran China deal goes through then Iran can get 2nd or even 3rd Gen thermal imaging cameras and modern APDSFS rounds.

 

[Hack-Hook]

The new Turret has armour similar (in appearance) to T-90. It has a new ERA package similar in appearance to Russian Relikt ERA(possibly effective against APDSFS as well as HEAT) with much improved coverage over the T-72S and its contact-1 ERA. It uses slat/cage armour the rear against HEAT rounds. It has much better survivability than any other MBT in Iran's possession by far!

the problem , those improvement already defeated in new weapons and more imprtantly the threat is coming from 8km above not something on the ground

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

the problem , those improvement already defeated in new weapons and more imprtantly the threat is coming from 8km above not something on the ground

That is not the Tank's fault. They should be operating under air defense ambarella. MBTs are not meant to operate alone but as part of a "combined arms" setting. Iran needs to develop armoured self propelled air defense systems to augment and replace their aging ZSU-23/4 and ZSU-57/2s.

 

[TheImmortal]

That is not the Tank's fault. They should be operating under air defense ambarella. MBTs are not meant to operate alone but as part of a "combined arms" setting. Iran needs to develop armoured self propelled air defense systems to augment and replace their aging ZSU-23/4 and ZSU-57/2s.

Wow thank you so much Armchair general for your amazing analysis. I am sure Hajizadeh couldn’t think of this recommendations either. Thank god we have people like you.

/sarcasm

#1 Enemy who would face the knock off T-90 tanks is the worlds superpower with spending nearly $800B a year on difference compared to Iran’s $20B a year.

So no you cannot play the US 1 v 1 and IRGC knows that. Better to invest in other areas then waste Money in archaic conventional arms.

IRGC preaches doctrine of deterrence, invest in items that will raise the cost and pain of war for your enemy so much that they won’t resort to it. 600 T-90 knocks off don’t scare the US.

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

Wow thank you so much Armchair general for your amazing analysis. I am sure Hajizadeh couldn’t think of this recommendations either. Thank god we have people like you.

/sarcasm

#1 Enemy who would face the knock off T-90 tanks is the worlds superpower with spending nearly $800B a year on difference compared to Iran’s $20B a year.

So no you cannot play the US 1 v 1 and IRGC knows that. Better to invest in other areas then waste Money in archaic conventional arms.

IRGC preaches doctrine of deterrence, invest in items that will raise the cost and pain of war for your enemy so much that they won’t resort to it. 600 T-90 knocks off don’t scare the US.

Can you carry a conversation without acting like a 12 year old?

Iran has developed the Karrar and will be fielding them. You don't like it? Go cry to you mother!

 

[Hack-Hook]

That is not the Tank's fault. They should be operating under air defense ambarella. MBTs are not meant to operate alone but as part of a "combined arms" setting. Iran needs to develop armoured self propelled air defense systems to augment and replace their aging ZSU-23/4 and ZSU-57/2s.

yes thats not tanks fault , they represent ultimate in a war doctrine like battleships once they were the beginning and the end . but time passed and newer system come and no one anymore use battle ships .
Tanks also had their time as Armed Chariot had their time . right now the ultimate weapon is manned aircraft but new system is pushing them away and probably the next best thing would be drones as no manned aircraft in 10 to 15 years probably less can match a high performance drone which is designed to hunt manned aircraft .
if you insist on old doctrines , you are bound to fail just look at ottoman empire , they always insisted on besieging enemy for 500 years and they were master of it no body could do that as good at them but they paid the price of not being flexible at WW1 when they had to fight several front and their force become thin so they could not do that effectively and also the fact that modern weaponary made that strategy obsolete

 

[Hack-Hook]

Can you carry a conversation without acting like a 12 year old?

Iran has developed the Karrar and will be fielding them. You don't like it? Go cry to you mother!

iran field them but as replacement for current armor not made an army based on armored coloumn just Like what we saw of Iraq army in 8 years war . karrar is mainly to upgrade T-72s and replace older tank from Korea and Vietnam war

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

yes thats not tanks fault , they represent ultimate in a war doctrine like battleships once they were the beginning and the end . but time passed and newer system come and no one anymore use battle ships .
Tanks also had their time as Armed Chariot had their time . right now the ultimate weapon is manned aircraft but new system is pushing them away and probably the next best thing would be drones as no manned aircraft in 10 to 15 years probably less can match a high performance drone which is designed to hunt manned aircraft .
if you insist on old doctrines , you are bound to fail just look at ottoman empire , they always insisted on besieging enemy for 500 years and they were master of it no body could do that as good at them but they paid the price of not being flexible at WW1 when they had to fight several front and their force become thin so they could not do that effectively and also the fact that modern weaponary made that strategy obsolete

People have been predicting the end of Tanks since even before the advent of ATGMs but you can see that all the major powers are still using MBTs is their armies. Here in Canada where I live, in the Mid 2000s the Department of National Defense (DND) was looking to replace our aging Leopard 1C2 fleet with the Striker 105mm Mobile Gun Systems because the DND considered MBTs too expensive to operate and wanted a cheaper Wheeled vehicle to take over the role. It was actually Canada's involvement in Afghanistan, where Canada deployed a Squadron of Leopard 1C2s that sold the DND on the value of MBTs and Canada Opted to do the right thing and buy Leopard-2A4s&A6s instead.

Iran is no different. It took Iran's involvement in Syria to show Iranian commanders the Value of MBTs and that is why Iran's Defense Industries Organization decided to develop a better MBT than the Army's Zolfagar prototypes and put them into production. UAVs and UCAVs have their place on the Battle field and so does Armour. Iran is not going to go bankrupt fielding modern Tanks, That is absurd!

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

iran field them but as replacement for current armor not made an army based on armored coloumn just Like what we saw of Iraq army in 8 years war . karrar is mainly to upgrade T-72s and replace older tank from Korea and Vietnam war

So what? All I am saying is that clearly Iran's military leadership sees a future for modern MBTs despite the fact that they are developing and fielding their own UAVs and UCAVs. It does not mean that Iran needs thousands upon thousands of tanks, Iran's geography is not suited for that. Clearly Both the Artesh and Sepah have a NEED for Armour that can compete with their foes and are allocating resources to meet that need.