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This now sounds like another joint Iranian-Turkish operations against "Kurdish militants" in northern Iraq. Turkey has been moving ground troops and performing air strikes, and Iran now joining in with artillery. interesting...my guess is that Israel or/and US had pumped up these Kurdish militants too much for Turkey nor Iran's tolerance level.
This now sounds like another joint Iranian-Turkish operations against "Kurdish militants" in northern Iraq. Turkey has been moving ground troops and performing air strikes, and Iran now joining in with artillery. interesting...my guess is that Israel or/and US had pumped up these Kurdish militants too much for Turkey nor Iran's tolerance level.
Iran has made products from many nations. To use that as proof that this Ra'ad is based on the BMX is a non starter.
You are resorting to what is known as "Gish Gallop" fallacy. Which means instead of having few strong arguments, you are posting a multitude of weak arguments that are not backing your claims.
The truth is that you are choosing to focus on the little similarities rather than the much more obvious differences, this tells me you are basically finding anything to pass your own narrative.
As for the "shape of the headlights".
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If you truly cannot see the obvious differences, then either you are deliberately spreading disinformation, or it is an issue of lack of analytical capabilities.
Here look, the Lamborghini and Ferrari are of similar dimensions and have very superficially similar headlights, thus one must be based on the other according to your "logic" :
Like I said in my previous post, you are basically scrapping for anything that can support your argument. The only problem is, minus the fact these are both 6x6, you have nothing else going for your claim.
I will therefore ask you again, do you have any hard facts to back your assertions or will you continue to post a mishmash of irrelevant examples and flawed analysis?
So the Toophan 4x4 is based on the Streit Typhoon 4x4. The Saegheh / Kowsar is based on the F-5 and countless other Iranian products are based on foreign products but the Raad 6x6 despite sharing a striking resemblance to the BMX-01 is not based on it ? Never mind the fact that Renault has historic ties with Iran. I guess that's a coincidence as well ?
I'm not saying that it's an exact copy and there are superficial differences but just looking at the dimensions of both vehicles, it's painfully obvious that one is based on the other.
Using the comparison between Ferrari and Lamborghini is pretty silly because everyone knows about corporate espionage and how various models throughout the years have been influenced by and based on each other.
but its design is based on the BMX-01 none the less.
Just because the IRGC / Iranian military states that it was designed 100% by Iranian experts / University students, Basij etc, doesn't mean that it's true.
Remember a few months ago when Salami said that a dowsing rod could detect Corona Virus ? Anything produced or presented by the Iranian military or especially the IRGC, you have to take it with a grain of salt, if not a bucket of salt.
In regards to your argument that "you can't prove it's a copy" well I don't have to.
Look at a side by side comparison of both vehicles, compare their dimensions and use your logical deduction skills.
Oh by the way "you can't prove that the boogeyman (lulu khorkhore) doesn't exist" therefore he does exist. LOL You see the fault in your logic ? You're asking me to prove something that is self evident.
Look at the Aras truck. It's not an exact copy of the Hummer but its design is obviously based on the Humme
. In the same way the Raad 6x6 is not an "exact" copy of the BMX-01 but it's design is based on it. Can you atleast accept that point or are you completely in denial ?
@sha ah
Stop spreading nonesense. The Raad is clearly a different system to the BMX and not based on it.
Looks like you were wrong- it was a coordinated Turkish- Iranian attack. But TUrkish attacks seem quite comprehensive, 10s of targets hit in airstrikes.No it was response to an attack by Kurdish militants on a border guard outpost.
You're just repeating yourself now. This fallacious way of thinking has already been debunked above.
There are more differences between the two systems than there are similarities, by your "logic" one could claim many systems in the same design family are based on each other.
Give me a break, you're just wiling to say anything now in order to defend your flawed claims here.
A claim for which you have not provided an iota of hard facts except some misinterpretations and out of place extrapolations.
I rather take their words over someone that apparently cannot see the obvious nuances between obviously different systems.
That example has nothing to do with this discussion. Once again, another out of place "defence".
Yes you do, if not then you need to cease spreading misinformation.
Again you're just repeating the same comments.
Your manner of "reasoning" (if we can even call it that) is getting more juvenile by the second. We are not debating about a theoretical entity. We are comparing two products that are known to exist to each other.
I think you are demonstrating exactly where your limitation is. You basically look for the slightest bit of similarities between two systems and then claim one to be based on the other.
Prior to asking anything of me, I suggest you go learn the basic concepts of engineering first. I have already explained to you that similarities you see in these systems in many cases is due to their function. There is zero reason to believe Ra'ad is "based" on the BMX. Minus some weak and desperate attempts of backing your assertions, you have done nothing concrete.
@sha ah
I am making this my last reply to you as I wasted enough of my time and thread space on your repetitive and debunked drivels. Clearly you made an unsubstantiated claim that was exposed and you are just recycling your basic juvenile notions of "A was based on B, thus C must be based on D and so on". Frankly, I am not here to teach you elementary logic. Perhaps next time think carefully before making a claim so you don't put yourself in such a hole.
Furthermore, you sound awfully like that "Babak Taghvaee" fellow from Twitter. I recall he has the exact tendency to make blunders by insisting on such silly claims. He also has the same sort of deranged anti-IRGC obsession which you have shown here.
Edit: I will ask members to keep a close eye on this "sha ah". It will not surprise me if he is some fake account here, especially of that Babak individual.
He's already dug himself in a hole which is why this whole thing is dragging out for so many pages.
You're saying I'm making unsubstantiated claims and then you imply that I'm Babak Taghvaee ? Isn't that a contradiction on your part ?
Honestly you're entitled to your opinion but so am I. I consider myself an Iranian patriot but I like to assess things through an impartial and judgemental lens. In other words I don't take everything the Iranian government / military says at face value.
I don't need hard evidence to figure out that the Aras series is based on the Hummer. On the other hand I'm not going to discount everything / anything Salami or the IRGC claims. Iran has made alot of advances in recent years but when the IRGC tries to claim that some dowsing rods are capable of detecting Covid-19, then I'm sorry but that's BS and I'm not buying it.
At the end of the day if the IRGC do something to make us proud as Iranians I will salute them, like the recent satellite launch. But at the same time if they do the opposite then I will criticize them for it. I'm not an absolutist and pride myself on being a critical, free thinker. That's all.