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Iran’s Physicists « LRB blog

The Iran University of Science and Technology in Tehran was founded in 1929 as a school of engineering. It became a general technological institute in 1972. It now has more than a dozen departments with thousands of undergraduate and postgraduate students. Few if any American universities have a more complete list of undergraduate physics courses. Looking at the faculty reveals an interesting split. The senior professors all did much of their degree work abroad. One of them for example was an undergraduate at Columbia. The junior faculty, including one woman, all did their degree work in Iran. In another generation, it may be that all of Iran’s physicists will have been educated in Iran. No other country in the Middle East would show a demographic like this. Taken in the large this means that Iran has a serious scientific infrastructure, which must be taken into account in any negotiations over its nuclear programme. The notion that the country can be negotiated into a scientific stone age is nonsense.

I am going to take a quick detour to Libya. In 1968, King Idris made the country a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. When Colonel Gaddafi took over the following year he did not change this treaty status. Indeed Libya began a modest development in peaceful nuclear activities. This did not last long; on a state visit to China in 1970 Gaddafi made an unsuccessful attempt to buy nuclear weapons. He then tried both India and Pakistan and had a go at enriching uranium. What characterised the Libyan programme throughout was the lack of a real scientific infrastructure. In the 1980s, the Pakistani metallurgist A.Q. Khan began selling nuclear secrets. In the late 1990s Gaddafi bought the package which included plans and parts to build centrifuges. When he decided to give the programme up in 2003, even with the aid of foreign scientists the Libyans had succeeded in building only one centrifuge.

On 21 January 2004, a large delegation of British and American intelligence agents as well as representatives of the International Atomic Energy Association (IAEA) assembled to examine what the Libyans had turned over and decide what to do with it. Two of them, one British and one American, were escorted to a small office. Two large bags containing documents were brought in to be inspected. The first one contained detailed plans for constructing a nuclear weapon that the Chinese had successfully tested and flown in a medium range ballistic missile on 27 October 1966. There were notations in Chinese on the diagrams. They are now stored in a classified storage vault somewhere in the US.

Now back to Iran. It is well known that Iran bought Khan’s centrifuge package, and what they did with it is also obvious: 18,000 functioning centrifuges. What is not obvious is whether they bought the rest of the package. They will not allow the IAEA to inspect anything that directly relates to the military aspects of their program. In a 2011 report the IAEA wrote:

In an interview in 2007 with a member of the clandestine nuclear supply network, the Agency was told that Iran had been provided with nuclear explosive design information. From information provided to the Agency during that interview, the Agency is concerned that Iran may have obtained more advanced design information than the information identified in 2004 as having been provided to Libya by the nuclear supply network.

Much discussion has come out of the negotiations concerning matters such as uranium enrichment. Nothing, at least that I have read, has come out on how to put the genie of knowledge back into the bottle. I think it more than likely that Iran has these designs and has probably improved on them. It just takes a small group of talented physicists working in a few offices to do so. That is what happened in Pakistan. This makes it all the more urgent that whatever agreement is reached – if one is ever reached – strictly limits the fissile material available to implement the plans. I am not very optimistic.
 
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What is your point?

Iranians, Arabs, Pakistanis and Turks should cooperate with each other in field of scientific knowledge to build local knowledge base..

Muslims should stop killing each other and become sane. The time is running out!
 
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What is your point?

Iranians, Arabs, Pakistanis and Turks should cooperate with each other in field of scientific knowledge to build local knowledge base..

Muslims should stop killing each other and become sane. The time is running out!

The point is:

When Iran is about to do a deal removing suffocating sanctions, the same Arabs lobby Americans and Israelis to keep Iran under sanctions. The same Arabs that were supporting Saddam to kill Iranians. The same Turks that are acting surrogate to US policy in Syria and Iraq, as Pakistan was in Afghanistan of 1980's.

The time has actually run out already. If it was not the case, Pakistani military was not at war with Takfiri forces inside its borders.

Strengthening oneself, is now the rule, instead of becoming someone else's puppet.
 
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What is your point?

Iranians, Arabs, Pakistanis and Turks should cooperate with each other in field of scientific knowledge to build local knowledge base..

Muslims should stop killing each other and become sane. The time is running out!
You can't cooperate with someone who is thirsty for your blood and is trying too hard along with Israel to make sure sanctions on you are not lifted.

What you just said is a dream.
 
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The point is:

When Iran is about to do a deal removing suffocating sanctions, the same Arabs lobby Americans and Israelis to keep Iran under sanctions. The same Arabs that were supporting Saddam to kill Iranians. The same Turks that are acting surrogate to US policy in Syria and Iraq, as Pakistan was in Afghanistan of 1980's.

The time has actually run out already. If it was not the case, Pakistani military was not at war with Takfiri forces inside its borders.

Strengthening oneself, is now the rule, instead of becoming someone else's puppet.

That's why in rap songs they say "the only one that's got you is you". No one else cares about you besides yourself so you got to do what's in your best interest.
 
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No Arab state is good at any thing only one thing that Arab good at which is backstabing each other that is unfortunate.

No doubt that Turkey, Iran and Malysia are the best Islamic countries in education, industry and science.

Now Indonesia is strugling to be some where while Pakistan Egypt and Iraq are failing so far I would say Iraq may get up out it's sickness but also that will take some time but I have no doubt about Iraq is going to be something actualy all this fight is to keep it down.

Algeria there is hope in it but they need to work their a$$ little bit hard.

The others are all have no plan they still racing the camels.
 
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I think if the late Zia ul Haq was alive and ruled Pakistan by now Pakistan would be no. 1 power in islamic world. Especially in high military technology and industry. At least would be among top 20 large economies in the world

Unfortunately Pakistan non-stop goes down since the day of killing of him. May Allah help Pakistan.
 
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No Arab state is good at any thing only one thing that Arab good at which is backstabing each other that is unfortunate.

No doubt that Turkey, Iran and Malysia are the best Islamic countries in education, industry and science.

Now Indonesia is strugling to be some where while Pakistan Egypt and Iraq are failing so far I would say Iraq may get up out it's sickness but also that will take some time but I have no doubt about Iraq is going to be something actualy all this fight is to keep it down.

Algeria there is hope in it but they need to work their a$$ little bit hard.

The others are all have no plan they still racing the camels.

Out of all Arab countries, it is only Iraq and Syria that have the ability to rise. Iraq used to be a center for learning for hundreds of years. Hopefully, with Iran's help, Iraq will once again become a center for learning. You do not need to be worried about backstabbing either. Iran stands strong with its allies.

I think if the late Zia ul Haq was alive and ruled Pakistan by now Pakistan would be no. 1 power in islamic world. Especially in high military technology and industry. At least would be among top 20 large economies in the world

Unfortunately Pakistan non-stop goes down since the day of killing of him. May Allah help Pakistan.

Sane Pakistanis actually blame him for Pakistan's woes today.

He also had a big hand in destroying Pakistan's excellent educational quality. Before his time, Pakistan was leading Muslim nation in quality of its education (though everyone did not have access to it). After his attempt to Wahabize the educational structure of Pakistan, things went down hill for Pakistan. So much so, that Pakistan is now behind most Islamic countries in quality of education.
 
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Out of all Arab countries, it is only Iraq and Syria that have the ability to rise. Iraq used to be a center for learning for hundreds of years. Hopefully, with Iran's help, Iraq will once again become a center for learning. You do not need to be worried about backstabbing either. Iran stands strong with its allies.



Sane Pakistanis actually blame him for Pakistan's woes today.

He also had a big hand in destroying Pakistan's excellent educational quality. Before his time, Pakistan was leading Muslim nation in quality of its education (though everyone did not have access to it). After his attempt to Wahabize the educational structure of Pakistan, things went down hill for Pakistan. So much so, that Pakistan is now behind most Islamic countries in quality of education.
May be you r right. I have no much infos in details about Pakistan...
But the realities show us that things getting worsen every year and this situation colud push Pakistan to devisions in ahead.
 
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You can't cooperate with someone who is thirsty for your blood and is trying too hard along with Israel to make sure sanctions on you are not lifted.

What you just said is a dream.

Better the Israelis than the Persians.

We offer no taqyyiah here Hakeem. Cooperating with the civilized world to continue sanctioning the Mullahs regime is something every nation should do and be proud of. It was the Mullahs' choice to be in a war with most of the planet for the last 36 years. Compare how was the value of the Iranian passport during Mohammed Reza's rule, and how it is now under the Arab wannabe Ali Khaminai. You had the Sahbanou Farah Diba as the "ambassador" of civilized Iran, then your people were forced to replace her with AhmadiNajad. What a terrific deal.
 
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Better the Israelis than the Persians.

Well to us, both of you are the same, enemies. Difference is, Israel is more dangerous, because besides western support and strong lobby, it has a good scientific base and educated people, but Gulfis only have money. Gulfis are not considered a significant threat to us, despite very heavy military spending and making western arm producers very rich. An enemy who doesn't have self reliance is indeed an easier one.

Only thing you can do is, funding terrorist groups, bribing politicians and individuals to follow your interest.
 
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Better the Israelis than the Persians.

We offer no taqyyiah here Hakeem. Cooperating with the civilized world to continue sanctioning the Mullahs regime is something every nation should do and be proud of. It was the Mullahs' choice to be in a war with most of the planet for the last 36 years. Compare how was the value of the Iranian passport during Mohammed Reza's rule, and how it is now under the Arab wannabe Ali Khaminai. You had the Sahbanou Farah Diba as the "ambassador" of civilized Iran, then your people were forced to replace her with AhmadiNajad. What a terrific deal.

There's probably even more taqiyya from the Sunni world than anywhere else. Taqiyya on severely high level that is, a level which decides the outcome for millions of life's.

Here you've got taqiyya
 
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There's probably even more taqiyya from the Sunni world than anywhere else. Taqiyya on severely high level that is, a level which decides the outcome for millions of life's.

Here you've got taqiyya


:tup::tup::tup:

There's probably even more taqiyya from the Sunni world than anywhere else.

By the way, his own comment is full of taqqiya. He is actually pro-Israel. Nothing wrong with that. Every one can have his own views. But to hide it and pretend otherwise is really reprehensible. At least in taqqiya, one's life must be in danger. But his life was not in danger here. He is just a hypocrite. Pretending to be something and being actually something else.
 
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