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Iran Is Too Much of a Mess to Acquire Russian Weaponry

Well in fairness the author is Tom Cooper who wrote the book on Iranian F-14s in the Iran-Iraq war and many other books especially on the IRIAF. Though I do admit this and other of his articles have surprised me, there are some very obvious errors. In the majority though, they are correct.

What 2 front, 6 year war is this that IR was in?

Syria and Iraq! What I have read so far indicates that by 2013, 75% of the Syrian Army had defected. I guess a better statement would have been covert and overt operations the latter being in Syria.

I do not doubt the indecisiveness and corruption claims. Obviously we see multiple similar systems and usually not much materializes. This is more than likely the result of various units of R&D being prototypes and the propaganda machine spins it off as operational systems.

What gave me the most doubt was when he started talking about the T-90 and the Karrar. I do not think the Karrar was something that they just wiped up over night . There are videos of the T-90( inside the tank) which clearly show distinct from the Karrar. Karrar is probably a licensed production like the Dehlavie ATM; it is a clever way around the sanctions by Iran and Russia.
 
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Gents Iraq is almost 100% liberated save for a handful of villages and small towns near the NW/ W of the country. Iran and the PMU's have been instrumental in that effort.

For Syria, as of today Mr Assad controls about 90% of his country. The Quds force and Iranian military advisors have pulled a major coup.

In both theaters Iran has soundly defeated all Western backed terrorist proxies and continues to kill them in large numbers.

There is no power that can undo all this. The West stares at a ME wide debacle.
 
what is your teaching relation with my post !?

Not being a General, Hitler made decisions which his men couldn't delver upon.
If his Generals were free to make decision objectively; then they would do that on merit.

Similarly, if Iran's supreme leader would let the forces deal with their issues by themselves would be better.

He does not need to become hitler.
 
Iranian airforce is weakest in region army don't have potent weapons no new SAM systems and navy has to get better FRIGATES and destroyer
 
Syria and Iraq

I had a feeling you would say that and I don't think it's applicable. The Iranian armed forces have not been doing much fighting at all. The most direct fighting it has seen was with small NOHED and IRGC units, as well as UCAV operations. The vast majority of the work has been done by the SAA and allied militias.

Anyway, I don't think Cooper was referring to Iran's fighting capability. He was saying the procurement process is a mess, which it is.
 
Karrar is a ministry of defence project or an IRGC project?

It certainly makes a difference because IRGC seem to be the only ones that build what they design also deghan was the head of the ministry when it was made, so I'm willing to bet it will be produced but when.
 
Karrar is a ministry of defence project or an IRGC project?

It certainly makes a difference because IRGC seem to be the only ones that build what they design also deghan was the head of the ministry when it was made, so I'm willing to bet it will be produced but when.

Karrar is another fake project to consume budget .... 10 years later from now and you will see we are still using the same old T72s without any upgrade ....
 
Yeah,you`re right iran could`ve continued to be a western vassal state run by a western backed dictator,I mean look at how well turkey and pak are doing...right?:disagree::disagree::crazy:
I sometimes think that there would be plenty of people in this world who would be perfectly happy to be slaves if only they had a golden collar around their necks.
I admire your love for Freedom, Very few People can have such Morales.
 
I had a feeling you would say that and I don't think it's applicable. The Iranian armed forces have not been doing much fighting at all. The most direct fighting it has seen was with small NOHED and IRGC units, as well as UCAV operations. The vast majority of the work has been done by the SAA and allied militias.

Anyway, I don't think Cooper was referring to Iran's fighting capability. He was saying the procurement process is a mess, which it is.


IRCG is part of the armed forces. I am fully aware that the Quds( operations abroad),IRCG units, IRCG advisors, their allies which consisted of Hezbollah, all Shia forces, and NDF have been the backbone of all the fighting. There are plenty of articles and videos that show afghans, hezballah, and others doing the fighting.Then you add the Russian air power which was one the most significant deciding factors and you have a complete picture.

I have read dozens of articles with credible sources that state by 2013, 75% of SAA had defected and abandoned their posts.This is characteristic of Arab armies. So when you hear the SAA, it is all for show.

As for Tom Cooper, in his article he insinuates that the armed forces are mess. The following are quotes from his article:

"Many influential Iranians are at least skeptical of Moscow’s reliability. But foremost, any Iranian-Russian arms deals must contend with a more fundamental problem — the very system of rule in Iran"

"The result is a completely dysfunctional chain of command and totally unworkable decision-making processes."

This is hardly the reality. The army and IRCG have distinct rules. If everything is such a big mess as he claims, then the arms industry would not have been able to provide so much for all the fighting groups. I am not saying Iran provided everything, but they provided the bulk in Syria.

"For similar reasons — and because the IRGC’s current priority is saving Assad’s dictatorship in Syria— an order for Su-30s is presently unlikely."

Do you really think that it was IRCG sole decision on supporting Assad, or do you think that it was a matter of national security that if ISIS which was created and supported by international heavy weights such as Israel, US,Uk were to succeed, then we would have a huge problem at our borders.

His article is clever and misleading. There is no doubt of the corruption and incompetence , but hardly how he paints the picture. We Iranians collectively have a cultural problem of fierce competition among ourselves. You notice our individual achievements are a lot of times unmatched inside and outside of Iran, but as a group we have long ways to go.



 
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Karrar is a ministry of defence project or an IRGC project?

It certainly makes a difference because IRGC seem to be the only ones that build what they design also deghan was the head of the ministry when it was made, so I'm willing to bet it will be produced but when.

Indications are that it is an IRGC project, but usually manufacturing goes to MODAFL (Ministry of Armed Forces Logistics).
 
Indications are that it is an IRGC project, but usually manufacturing goes to MODAFL (Ministry of Armed Forces Logistics).

IRGC seems like the only ones who can get products out into the real world from design to mass production. Hopefully it remains the same here. With IRGC at the helm perhaps Khamenei will support it as he said offensive power is what we need now.
 
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Also I find it hilarious that pakistan despite being a nuclear power still allows american drones to operate freely in its airspace murdering its citizens at will,but then thats the difference between a truly independent nation and a vassal state,but hey enjoy your delusions as you seem to have so many where pakistan and iran are concerned.

They are not Pakistani citizens. Either they're from abroad or the obsolete "Pakhtunistan" separatists.

Nuclear negotiation by Iran started when American president Obama sent a letter to Iran in 2010 which in he recognized Iran nuclear right under international law and demanded new round of negotiation based on mutual respect ... this new policy of American in comparison by their policy at beginning of the negotiations in 2003~2005 which was zero enrichment in Iran beside not willing to negotiate with Iran directly was 180 degree turn.
So they wanted to negotiate not us.

Why on Earth has Iran even the need to "negotiate" it's nuclear right? Countries even in Africa have nuclear power, eg. Algeria, none of them have had to negotiate their right to nuclear power.

Had the Iranians had any shame, they would've left IAEA long ago and built their nuclear program without having to agree to be inspected by rest of the world.
 
Any country with money can buy any thing..why Iran deprived to get what they wants to protect from others...Let them buy Russian stuff...
 

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