Iran Considers JF-17 Thunder Purchase from #Pakistan

[CriticalThought]

It is taught at madarsa.

The wahhabi's believe Pakistan is run by shia loyal to Iran.
The shia believe Pakistan is run by wahhabi loyal to KSA.
The Barelvi believe Pakistan is run by Qaidiyani loyal to the UK.
The deobandi believe Pakistan is run by Jews loyal to America/Israel.
The atheists think Pakistan is run by Mullahs loyal to ISIS.

I could go on.

So atheists are trained at Madressahs? I think you should stop.

 

[313ghazi]

So atheists are trained at Madressahs? I think you should stop.

Yeah, maybe this didn't come across, but it was intended to be light hearted.

 

[OldTwilight]

True. It's like Austria bought Eurofighter Typhoon from Germany, Qatar bought Eurofighter Typhoon from Britain. Iran won't buy JF-17 from Pakistan, only from China.

The only issue is that China already offered j-10 but IRIAF didn't show any interest due the bad experience about F-7 ...

all of your suggestion is void because if any country would supply us with reliable engine in good quantity , then we already have our own fighter jet .... so if Russia doesn't sell us turbo-fan engine or even Mig 29 , then how they would agree to Sell J-17 to Iran and let China and Pakistan gain the main interest in this deal rather than themselves !?

after all J-17 is using same engine as Mig-29

 

[Sinnerman108]

Then you have little option but to wait for your country to completely wean off from F-16s and C-130 support that US provides. Once you replace them with J-10Cs and Y-20s, you could probably trade with Iran.

and that is exactly what the current policy is focused on.

It is taught at madarsa.

The wahhabi's believe Pakistan is run by shia loyal to Iran.
The shia believe Pakistan is run by wahhabi loyal to KSA.
The Barelvi believe Pakistan is run by Qaidiyani loyal to the UK.
The deobandi believe Pakistan is run by Jews loyal to America/Israel.
The atheists think Pakistan is run by Mullahs loyal to ISIS.

I could go on.

 

[313ghazi]

and that is exactly what the current policy is focused on.

Absolutely Brilliant!

That's the kind of point I was trying to make.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Anyway, It will be one of Iran's neighbors who will make the decision very soon.

 

[Aasimkhan]

مجھے کیا بُرا تھا مرنا اگر ایک بار ہوتا،،،
کہ خوشی سے مر نہ جاتے اگر اعتبار ہوتا،،

You have fcuked a beautiful verse of Ghalib, this is a sin

Hi,

There is no reason to sell to Iran---.

There is no reason not to sell to them either. It will bring both countries closer, we will earn foreign exchange, it will keep the assembly lines busy generating jobs, Iran will be a permanent source of income in shape of spare parts and weapons. They can buy weapons from anyone including India if they want to, why not sell your stuff? Remember you aren't just selling planes, you are buying influence and clout also in return

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

This thread is stupid.

 

[Basel]

Irespective of credibility of the source posted above it is obvious that with time JF17 plateform is maturing and evolving and I am pretty sure one day this beast will be flying in multiple colours.

The availability of AESA upgrade for block-2 version also attractive for customers as it will not be as expensive as block-3.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

but whats the gain of Pakistan?
Will they stop terrorism in Pakistan, answers; no...
Will they stop giving chabahar to india, anwer; no..
Will they stop recruiting Shia for their adventures in Iraq and Syria, answer; no.
Will they stop giving support to criminals and gangsters like Uzair Baloch, answer; no...

So just like u said, lets be realistic here and fair. Let them buy Teja...that will suit them the best.

Well you have highlighted certain issues that have been answered by many in this thread already.
Still if you want my personal outlook then its very different to what has been already said. Most of the respected posters have addressed these question with narrow minded approach whereas the issue is very broad.

Chabahar
We will start off with Chabahar... Indian influence has increased because there was no one else who wanted to operate Chabahar without causing USA to react. India made sure that US interests along with their own are protected hence an understanding came about without any legal sanctions. India is being watched by the Iranians and they are also finding spy networks that are working to destabilize Iran, this is the reason if Pakistan or China even hint on acquiring Chabahar will be given without any second thoughts.

Terrorism
Terrorism in Pakistan and Iran is don by the same group which has two different names and offices in both Iran and Pakistan, hence whenever there is credible information regarding these groups a coordinated operation is taken be it in Pakistan or Iran. Yes once or twice drones have entered and shot along with the odd fire at the borders but this has remained relatively calm.

Iraq and Syria
Iraq is a predominantly shia state which was governed by a Sunni. Today their sympathy lies with Iran.

Syria is totally an other ball game. The Russians are there which are also friends of Iran and Hezbollah who need strategic depth.

After all this You have USA in Afghanistan with Taliban still in control. As soon as USA leaves Taliban will once again control Afghanistan and the targets for them will be along Afghan borders be it with Iran, Pakistan or countries of CAR.

Once you have read this then look again if this statement has any future.
So just like u said, lets be realistic here and fair. Let them buy Teja...that will suit them the best.

 

[MastanKhan]

You have fcuked a beautiful verse of Ghalib, this is a sin


There is no reason not to sell to them either. It will bring both countries closer, we will earn foreign exchange, it will keep the assembly lines busy generating jobs, Iran will be a permanent source of income in shape of spare parts and weapons. They can buy weapons from anyone including India if they want to, why not sell your stuff? Remember you aren't just selling planes, you are buying influence and clout also in return

Hi,

My innocent man---Iran is the EMBRACE OF DEATH to whatever nation it has hugged----.

Iran cannot buy any weapons from anyone now---. It has sanctions---.

And if there are no sanctions---and you build for them---and then they get sanctioned---then you cannot deliver---.

If Iran could buy from anyone---they would have---.

Well you have highlighted certain issues that have been answered by many in this thread already.
Still if you want my personal outlook then its very different to what has been already said. Most of the respected posters have addressed these question with narrow minded approach whereas the issue is very broad.

Chabahar
We will start off with Chabahar... Indian influence has increased because there was no one else who wanted to operate Chabahar without causing USA to react. India made sure that US interests along with their own are protected hence an understanding came about without any legal sanctions. India is being watched by the Iranians and they are also finding spy networks that are working to destabilize Iran, this is the reason if Pakistan or China even hint on acquiring Chabahar will be given without any second thoughts.

Terrorism
Terrorism in Pakistan and Iran is don by the same group which has two different names and offices in both Iran and Pakistan, hence whenever there is credible information regarding these groups a coordinated operation is taken be it in Pakistan or Iran. Yes once or twice drones have entered and shot along with the odd fire at the borders but this has remained relatively calm.

Iraq and Syria
Iraq is a predominantly shia state which was governed by a Sunni. Today their sympathy lies with Iran.

Syria is totally an other ball game. The Russians are there which are also friends of Iran and Hezbollah who need strategic depth.

After all this You have USA in Afghanistan with Taliban still in control. As soon as USA leaves Taliban will once again control Afghanistan and the targets for them will be along Afghan borders be it with Iran, Pakistan or countries of CAR.

Once you have read this then look again if this statement has any future.
So just like u said, lets be realistic here and fair. Let them buy Teja...that will suit them the best.

Hi,

Iraq's sympathy lies with Iraq and not with Iran---. Just because majority Iraqi is shia---does not mean that they would kowtow to Iran---.

Iraqi shias have their own identity---uniqueness and personna.

Iran /Iraq war proved that as many shia / sunni iranians laid down their lives for Iran---same was true for the Iraqi side as well---. Iraqi sunnis / shias fought for their country---.

One has to understand---nationalism is extremely deep rooted---it is deeper than individual religious beliefs---.

 

[BATMAN]

Hi,

My innocent man---Iran is the EMBRACE OF DEATH to whatever nation it has hugged----.

Iran cannot buy any weapons from anyone now---. It has sanctions---.

And if there are no sanctions---and you build for them---and then they get sanctioned---then you cannot deliver---.

If Iran could buy from anyone---they would have---.




Hi,

Iraq's sympathy lies with Iraq and not with Iran---. Just because majority Iraqi is shia---does not mean that they would kowtow to Iran---.

Iraqi shias have their own identity---uniqueness and personna.

Iran /Iraq war proved that as many shia / sunni iranians laid down their lives for Iran---same was true for the Iraqi side as well---. Iraqi sunnis / shias fought for their country---.

One has to understand---nationalism is extremely deep rooted---it is deeper than individual religious beliefs---.

Pakistan's current regime is more than willing for that 'Embrace of Death'.

Mulla's presence at Pakistan defense expo is already in violation of sanctions, but i guess, US would over look.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Well you have highlighted certain issues that have been answered by many in this thread already.
Still if you want my personal outlook then its very different to what has been already said. Most of the respected posters have addressed these question with narrow minded approach whereas the issue is very broad.

Chabahar
We will start off with Chabahar... Indian influence has increased because there was no one else who wanted to operate Chabahar without causing USA to react. India made sure that US interests along with their own are protected hence an understanding came about without any legal sanctions. India is being watched by the Iranians and they are also finding spy networks that are working to destabilize Iran, this is the reason if Pakistan or China even hint on acquiring Chabahar will be given without any second thoughts.

Terrorism
Terrorism in Pakistan and Iran is don by the same group which has two different names and offices in both Iran and Pakistan, hence whenever there is credible information regarding these groups a coordinated operation is taken be it in Pakistan or Iran. Yes once or twice drones have entered and shot along with the odd fire at the borders but this has remained relatively calm.

Iraq and Syria
Iraq is a predominantly shia state which was governed by a Sunni. Today their sympathy lies with Iran.

Syria is totally an other ball game. The Russians are there which are also friends of Iran and Hezbollah who need strategic depth.

After all this You have USA in Afghanistan with Taliban still in control. As soon as USA leaves Taliban will once again control Afghanistan and the targets for them will be along Afghan borders be it with Iran, Pakistan or countries of CAR.

Once you have read this then look again if this statement has any future.
So just like u said, lets be realistic here and fair. Let them buy Teja...that will suit them the best.

u have only answered 2 points out of 4. These 2 below are still missing.........

Will they stop recruiting Shia for their adventures in Iraq and Syria, answer; no.
Will they stop giving support to criminals and gangsters like Uzair Baloch, answer; no...

I dont give a damn abt iraq or Syria or Iran BTW....so focus on what i specifically asked. WHAT IS OUR GAIN? REALISTICALLY AND CRUDELY.

Yeah, maybe this didn't come across, but it was intended to be light hearted.

he is atheist himself

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

u have only answered 2 points out of 4. These 2 below are still missing.........

Will they stop recruiting Shia for their adventures in Iraq and Syria, answer; no.
Will they stop giving support to criminals and gangsters like Uzair Baloch, answer; no...

I dont give a damn abt iraq or Syria or Iran BTW....so focus on what i specifically asked. WHAT IS OUR GAIN? REALISTICALLY AND CRUDELY.


he is atheist himself

Will they stop recruiting Shia for their adventures in Iraq and Syria, answer; no.

Putting it bluntly.. GOP has nothing to do with individuals going on their own sweet will. The only thing that maters now is how to keep them there? It is most likely they will endup in official government forces of both Iraq and Syria so why not support them. This way they would have their identity and not end up like the Talibans that were created on the behest of USA, Saudia, RUSSIA, Iran etc...


Will they stop giving support to criminals and gangsters like Uzair Baloch, answer; no...
What they have already created may not be controlled but in future they might understand that if they act in such ways they could loose more that what they will gain.

Going and supplying weapons to Iran would definitely harm pakistan in the near future but in the long run it might be beneficial. As pakistan would inevitably become a strategic partner which would unite this block but unnerve USA's stooges.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Will they stop recruiting Shia for their adventures in Iraq and Syria, answer; no.

Putting it bluntly.. GOP has nothing to do with individuals going on their own sweet will. The only thing that maters now is how to keep them there? It is most likely they will endup in official government forces of both Iraq and Syria so why not support them. This way they would have their identity and not end up like the Talibans that were created on the behest of USA, Saudia, RUSSIA, Iran etc...


Will they stop giving support to criminals and gangsters like Uzair Baloch, answer; no...
What they have already created may not be controlled but in future they might understand that if they act in such ways they could loose more that what they will gain.

Going and supplying weapons to Iran would definitely harm pakistan in the near future but in the long run it might be beneficial. As pakistan would inevitably become a strategic partner which would unite this block but unnerve USA's stooges.

lets see then.