Iran Army tests combat readiness with surprise drills near Turkey border

[Raghfarm007]

just a sentence below it says, His ancestry is mixed, having ancestors from various ethnic groups such as Georgian, Greek, Kurdish and Turkoman. which is simply bullshit...
You believe in this, which even you in 21th century doesnt even know where is your blood really mixed with,

or, Ismail was also a prolific poet who, under the pen name Khaṭāʾī (which means "he who made a mistake" which in Turkish hata is still mean the same) contributed greatly to the literary development of the Azerbaijani language.[7] He also contributed to Persian literature, though few of his Persian writings survive.

or this, When Ismail reached the age of 12, he came out of hiding and returned to Azerbaijan (historic Azerbaijan, also known as Iranian Azerbaijan) along with his followers. Ismail's rise to power was made possible by the Turkoman tribes of Anatolia and Azerbaijan, who formed the most important part of the Qizilbash movement

Can you even tell me if there is any persian word Qizilbash? It is pure Turkish word and you know that too..

You act exactly like Armians, they say dolma is Armenian food, and when you ask what does dolma mean in Armenian, they have no idea.. which Turkish meaning describe the food.

Well, I gave you the evidence that the kings of Iran and Ottomans wrote to each other in Persian, and that the safavids were Oiginally Kurdish, with other Mixes. Certainly not TORK. I hope you learnt a lot today, and share your new found knowledge with other Azarbademjoonis. We want our lands back....

Also, Khati is a persian word, NOT TURKISH.
The turks do not have the sound kh, خ،، x. The persian word khoda, which means god also is used in Turkey, but pronounced as Hoda!
As it happens, nearly half the Turkish words (from Turkey) are persian of Origin.

By the DOOLMA is a persian word.....it means my dodool.

 

[dBSPL]

Above, we see a typical example of ignorance. Stupid assumptions that are not based on any evidence or source.

According to the Turkish Language Institution (TDK) data:

An academic article about this linguistics topic :
https://dergipark.org.tr/tr/download/article-file/32150

So why do you hear so many familiar words? Because 2 societies sharing the same geography so many centuries, dont create just one-way word transition. About this topic, some of the most important academic sources have been written by German Turcologist Gerhard Doerfer. Some can be purchased online.

John Perry's Article is also another important resource. "The Historical Role of Turkish in Relation to Persian of Iran" In here, the Safavid dynasty is discussed in terms of linguistics also.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4030859?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

 

[Kamil_baku]

Well, I gave you the evidence that the kings of Iran and Ottomans wrote to each other in Persian, and that the safavids were Oiginally Kurdish, with other Mixes. Certainly not TORK. I hope you learnt a lot today, and share your new found knowledge with other Azarbademjoonis. We want our lands back....

Also, Khati is a persian word, NOT TURKISH.
The turks do not have the sound kh, خ،، x. The persian word khoda, which means god also is used in Turkey, but pronounced as Hoda!
As it happens, nearly half the Turkish words (from Turkey) are persian of Origin.

By the DOOLMA is a persian word.....it means my dodool.

hahahahah Doldurmaq means stuffing, what the hell dodool means? )))
you know how Turkish people called their country, Khanliq, Mongol Khan, Babur Khan, Khezer Khan, how the hell we dont have the alphabet? Only, after Ataturk change the alphabet to Latin, they changed the words, but even the name of khan, Khala (aunt), khatun woman. You really need to check other sources before it is too late...

Persian language is the language of poems. As you know, in Turkish language, it is the language of army, war. When we speak, it sounds like we order something to do. We cannot be sweet, especially in Azerbaijani, old Turkish.
But, when Farsi people speak, even if they are angry, it sounds nice to the ear. Thats why all Turkish peope kept some Farsi language poets in saray,

Only after Nadir shah, on 18th century, when he killed the last person of safavids kid, persians came to power and it didnt take long, because every single Turkish city deny to be part of it.. and Russi took advantage of it and occupied cities one by one...

The whole Iranian army, couldnt win a single Turkish city in fight and finally wwent to Tiblis to burn it out completely..

 

[Raghfarm007]

Turkish of Turkey and what the mongols speak are two different languages. Turks dont have kh sound....
Even Azari and Turkish are two different languages that cant be undrestood by each other.

Also, Nadir (who was also Kurdish of Origin) never killed the Safavids.... it was the Afghans who killed the safavid royal family.... another facts that you got wrong.

Also, no land was lost to the Russians during Nadir shah. The lands were lost durig the Qhajar (who were largely Azaris). Nadir destroyed the Ottomans and then invaded India....really, I think you will do well, clearly, you are intereted in Iran, you just have your facts wrong, which is undrestandable when you live in Azarbademjoon.

I gave you facts, back up by evidence... study real history, not what you want to believe.

Study history, and get ready to rejoin the motherland once again.

As for doodool.... ask your mother what it means.

 

[dBSPL]

Oh, too much ignorance. It's unbearable.

 

[Kamil_baku]

Turkish of Turkey and what the mongols speak are two different languages. Turks dont have kh sound....
Even Azari and Turkish are two different languages that cant be undrestood by each other.

Also, Nadir (who was also Kurdish of Origin) never killed the Safavids.... it was the Afghans who killed the safavid royal family.... another facts that you got wrong.

I gave you facts, back up by evidence. You talk a lot of nonesense..... study real history, not what you want to believe.

As for doodool.... ask your mom what it means.

Those who say bad things about others, means they are also ok to listen the same from them...
seems like everything people tell you, you run and tell your mom... We have special word for people like you, but you have no dignity to understand it... if you bring the mom topic into online forum, it shows your trash personality... you call yourself a man? piece of sht! I have seen several moms from Iran in Antalya and Baku, but i dont even talk like you...
You stupid, say another lie here. how double face a person can be to make lie after lie and feel no shame...
I am an Azerbaijani Turk and every single person in Azerbaijan understand Turkish and speak with them. 90-95% are the same. how stupid and peyser you have to be to say these lies... just ask every single Azerbaijani member here...
Nadir was Afshar and from Turkish tribe. Nader Shah was an Iranian who belonged to the Turkmen Afshar tribe of Khorasan in northeastern Iran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nader_Shah

typical Iranian mind, if you dont know shit, just lie to the face until everybody trust you... because no shame, no face, no dignity on you to feel once its proved no right.

 

[QWECXZ]

when i prove that you lie, i become a internet warrior? why dont you just try to prove yourself? because it is pure lie... dont you feel even shamed to do it? show me a single history book that says Shah Ismael Xetai, who made Turkish language a language of Safavids, was Kurd? he was born in Ardabil and died in Tabriz, who is even today only Turkish people live there..
Who grandparents are Sara Khatun And Qara Osman

You should feel shamed for sharing pure lie here... but you probably have a sick skin to handle it..

Not only you're an internet warrior, you sound like a drama queen too. What kind of a person who wants to discuss things like this starts name calling others? You're this, you're that, you're a liar, blah blah blah. The guy showed you a letter from an Ottoman Sulman writing a letter to a Safavid king in Persian. That's a solid proof. Almost every article on the internet that you pick randomly mentions that nearly all of these Turkic dynasties were "Persianate societies". Maybe you can at least look that up? Just like you have decided to ignore the fact that modern Turkey as a Mongloid country started to come into existence after the Mongol invasion of Asia in the 13th century and it used to be a country speaking different languages of the Indo-European family.

 

[Mithridates]

Well, I gave you the evidence that the kings of Iran and Ottomans wrote to each other in Persian, and that the safavids were Oiginally Kurdish, with other Mixes. Certainly not TORK. I hope you learnt a lot today, and share your new found knowledge with other Azarbademjoonis. We want our lands back....

Also, Khati is a persian word, NOT TURKISH.
The turks do not have the sound kh, خ،، x. The persian word khoda, which means god also is used in Turkey, but pronounced as Hoda!
As it happens, nearly half the Turkish words (from Turkey) are persian of Origin.

By the DOOLMA is a persian word.....it means my dodool.

u are wrong pal.


i can't understand why people are debating about my people, we are well capable of deciding by ourselves.

 

[Surenas]

Those who say bad things about others, means they are also ok to listen the same from them...
seems like everything people tell you, you run and tell your mom... We have special word for people like you, but you have no dignity to understand it... if you bring the mom topic into online forum, it shows your trash personality... you call yourself a man? piece of sht! I have seen several moms from Iran in Antalya and Baku, but i dont even talk like you...
You stupid, say another lie here. how double face a person can be to make lie after lie and feel no shame...
I am an Azerbaijani Turk and every single person in Azerbaijan understand Turkish and speak with them. 90-95% are the same. how stupid and peyser you have to be to say these lies... just ask every single Azerbaijani member here...
Nadir was Afshar and from Turkish tribe. Nader Shah was an Iranian who belonged to the Turkmen Afshar tribe of Khorasan in northeastern Iran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nader_Shah

typical Iranian mind, if you dont know shit, just lie to the face until everybody trust you... because no shame, no face, no dignity on you to feel once its proved no right.

Who cares about some illerate, barbarian warrior from the empty grassland in Central-asia. You can have all those figures. Please tell me, which great city did the Turks ever build? And while you are at it, please tell me more about the great scientific contributions of the Turks in history. Your people spoke Persian as a language of civilization because you had not any of yourself. Your forefathers associated themselves with Persian culture because that culture was full of richness and status. Turks on the other hand have never been famous for their intellect. We haven't learned anything from you guys, ever. We taught you guys how to be civilized. Still do.

To quote the words of the great historian Bernard Lewis:

"It was this Persian Islam, rather than the original Arab Islam, that was brought to new areas and new peoples: to the Turks, first in Central Asia and then in the Middle East in the country which came to be called Turkey, and of course to India. The Ottoman Turks brought a form of Iranian civilization to the walls of Vienna."

 

[PeeD]

There is in fact no such thing as"you Turks".

Turks were a central Asian people, a 50:50 blend between east Europeans and Iranians on one side and east Asians on the other side.

Azaris from Republic of Azerbaijan retain 10-15% of this Turkic ancestry.
Azaris from Iran have 5-10% of Turkic ancestry.
Turks from Turkey 15-20%.
Turks from Turkey are mostly similar to Pontic ("mainland") Greeks and Armenians. Both of those are very related to Iranic people.

Pan-Turkism has lost its ethnic component since the advent of DNA and ancient DNA.
We now have Gokturk DNA remains and know how they looked like when they were still in central Asia. We can easily compare that to today Turks of Turkey and Azerbaijan.

There used to be a time where this was a open question but without the ethnic component pan-Turkism is doomed to argue with language alone... a lost cause...

 

[yavar]

Is Iran sane? Dont they have enough on their plate already?

Islamic Republic Iran it always take care of it interest

 

[xbat]

if only Iran opened a.ss like the sauds and bought overpriced American junk.... then it would look good in pictures...

If Iran wants to, it would cut Turkey in half. Iran is the grandmaster of playing the proxy game. and kurds are a potential proxy if push comes to shove. I would be afraid of Iranian special forces infiltrating, and arming the hell out of Kurdish "freedom fighters" if I were you.

It would lead to unimaginable losses and a war you are not accustomed to.... with that said, Iran and turkey have wisely decided not to fight each other. and that is a wise decision on both sides as we both would lose in such a scenario (and everyone else would win)

Heres another fact to ponder:

Azeri rebellions against the Iranian state: 0

Kurdish rebellions against a Turkish state that didn't even acknowledge the existence of "mountain turks" until recently? : many

azeri's are probably the most loyal ethnic grouop in Iran today.... you are seriously miscalculating if you think they will abandon iran for turkey.

i only said old fashioned army, and response is irrelevant..
yeah iran can cut Turkey off two pieces in your dreams. what is stopping you ? go ahead!
i never mentioned about iran turks,
proxy? what about not accepting proxy and directly hit iran? would be OK for that especially with 70s era army?

Greater Middle east project also targets Turkey and iran , there would be big turmoil, but iranians couldnt get it because you live in a fantasy world.

 

[Raghfarm007]

Those who say bad things about others, means they are also ok to listen the same from them...
seems like everything people tell you, you run and tell your mom... We have special word for people like you, but you have no dignity to understand it... if you bring the mom topic into online forum, it shows your trash personality... you call yourself a man? piece of sht! I have seen several moms from Iran in Antalya and Baku, but i dont even talk like you...
You stupid, say another lie here. how double face a person can be to make lie after lie and feel no shame...
I am an Azerbaijani Turk and every single person in Azerbaijan understand Turkish and speak with them. 90-95% are the same. how stupid and peyser you have to be to say these lies... just ask every single Azerbaijani member here...
Nadir was Afshar and from Turkish tribe. Nader Shah was an Iranian who belonged to the Turkmen Afshar tribe of Khorasan in northeastern Iran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nader_Shah

typical Iranian mind, if you dont know shit, just lie to the face until everybody trust you... because no shame, no face, no dignity on you to feel once its proved no right.

So lets sum up everything we have learnt, and then please tell me where I have lied:

1. There are almost no Torks in Iran. Azaris are Aryans, like other Iranians (DNA chart evidence provided by PeeD)

2. The Safavis were Kordish of Origin ( evedince provided)

3. The Ottoman sultan and Iranian kings would only communcate in PERSIAN. (Historical letters provided)

4. All the Tork invaders started speaking persian because it is a better, more scientific, and poetic language, not just cause it sounds nice. The Ottoman sultan´s letter to Ismail shah was a threat of war, so he didn´t want to sound soft by writing in Persian.

5. Nadir did not lose any parts of Iran to the Ottomans or Russians. He destroyed the Ottomans and then went and destroyed the Indians. He had Teblisi burnt because they sided with the enemy and started killing the Moslem population there.

6. Nadir shah was not a Tork but a KORD. Evidence below in Perisan:

با تحقیقات اخیر ونشانه های بجا مانده مشخص شده که ایل افشار که تاکنون فکر می‌کردند ترک تبارند در حقیقت کرد تبار بوده وبه زبان کردی شمال یعنی کرمانجی صحبت می‌کرده اند ولی بدلیل اینکه زبان حاکم ان زمان ترکی بوده است ( برخلاف این زمان که فارسی زبان حاکم است دران هنگام در دربار ونامه نگاریها از زبان ترکی استفاده میشده است ) به اشتباه ترک نامیده شده اند. [1] بطور مثال زبان بازماندگان ایل افشار درحوالی درگز و باجگیران همچون ایلات شمال خراسان مثل زعفرانلو-شادلو کرمانجی میباشد وزبان ایل بزرگ افشار شرق ترکیه نیز کرمانجی است

http://kormanjan.blogfa.com/post/21


SO PLEASE LEARN THE FACTS AS PROVIDED ABOVE.
YOU ARE ALSO NOT A TORK IF YOU DONT HAVE CHINESE LOOKIG FEATURES.

 

[Inspector Spacetime]

Even the royal court of the Ottomans spoke Persian.
When the kings of Iran and Ottomans wrote letters to each other, they only wrote in persian, and these letters still exist today.

Also it is simply incorrect to say that the Safavids were Azari... people who say this do not know the history.
Shah Esmaeil, the founder of Safavids was half european on his mothers side, and Kurdish on his fathers side, even though he had Azari liniage as well.

This is actually how typical Iranians are... they all would have some Kurdish, Azari, Persian, Lor, Gilaki mixes, and this is what the enemies of Iran can not undrestand.

Just to correct something here. The Ottoman Sultan Selim wrote letters to Shah Ismail in Persian. And Shah Ismail wrote to the Ottomans Sultan Selim in Ottoman/Turkish. The reason behind this was to convey a threat, showing that they are capable to rule each other's territory if it ever came down to a war between them, I'm sure it is way more complex than that but that is the conclusion I remember of it. And of course, we can conclude that they had great cultural/intellectual prowess as they both wrote poems in Persian and Turkish. From Wikipedia:

Ismail was also a prolific poet who, under the pen name Khaṭāʾī (which means "he who made a mistake" or "he who was wrong" in Persian), contributed greatly to the literary development of the Azerbaijani language.[7] He also contributed to Persian literature, though few of his Persian writings survive.[8]

Selim was also a distinguished poet who wrote both Turkish and Persian verse under the nickname Mahlas Selimi; collections of his Persian poetry are extant today.[24] In one of his poems, he wrote:

"A carpet is large enough to accommodate two sufis, but the world is not large enough for two kings"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismail_I
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selim_I

According to this source, Shah Ismail's father's side as well as his mother's side had Turkic ancestry:

ETHNICITY

Shah Ismail’s father is Sheikh Haydar who is half TURKISH (mother : Hatice Hatun, sister of Uzun Hasan) and half IRANIAN (father : Sheikh Junayd). Btw ‘Iranian’ does not necessarily mean ‘Kurdish’, it could mean Gilaki, Talysh etc.

Shah Ismail’s mother is Halime Alem-Shah Begüm who is half TURKISH (father : Uzun Hasan) and half PONTIC GREEK/GEORGIAN (mother : Despina Hatun). Shah Ismail is the grandson of the Ak Koyunlu leader Uzun Hasan and the great great grandson of Emperor Alexios IV of Trebizond and King Alexander I of Georgia.

Source: https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Persians-deny-Shah-Ismails-Turkic-roots
This source is a discussion thread about Shah Ismail.

Wikipedia seems to corroborate this:

Ismail grew up bilingual, speaking Persian and Azerbaijani.[14][15] His ancestry is mixed, having ancestors from various ethnic groups such as Georgian, Greek, Kurdish and Turkoman;[16][17][18][19] the majority of scholars agree that his empire was an Iranian one.[2][3][4][5][20]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismail_I

I am not saying that Turkish or Persian culture is inferior or superior to each other. Only an ignorant person would say that. Just trying to write some facts.

By the way, having being a mix of multiple ethnicities is actually a plus. If we all were to do a DNA test, our ethnic profile would be all over the place. Even from places one would never even have imagined. And that is actually something to be proud of and just goes to show how artificial national borders and nationalities are.

 

[Inspector Spacetime]

if only Iran opened a.ss like the sauds and bought overpriced American junk.... then it would look good in pictures...

If Iran wants to, it would cut Turkey in half. Iran is the grandmaster of playing the proxy game. and kurds are a potential proxy if push comes to shove. I would be afraid of Iranian special forces infiltrating, and arming the hell out of Kurdish "freedom fighters" if I were you.

It would lead to unimaginable losses and a war you are not accustomed to.... with that said, Iran and turkey have wisely decided not to fight each other. and that is a wise decision on both sides as we both would lose in such a scenario (and everyone else would win)

Heres another fact to ponder:

Azeri rebellions against the Iranian state: 0

Kurdish rebellions against a Turkish state that didn't even acknowledge the existence of "mountain turks" until recently? : many

azeri's are probably the most loyal ethnic grouop in Iran today.... you are seriously miscalculating if you think they will abandon iran for turkey.

You wrote this message as if you are proud and glad about using proxies. Arming proxies just to start strife and conflict is just pure evil and by claiming that Iran is very good at this sort of stuff, just reflects very poorly on Iran in the case of your post.

That there were 0 Azeri rebellions against the Iranian state is something that I am glad to hear and even proud of. If you love people so much and think of their well being, the last thing you would do is provoke them to start a war/rebellion/conflict. All these proxy wars are only using whatever proxy is being used, and eventually it is only to the detriment of said proxy. The one's enabling these proxies are all about destabilizing a country or a region all in the name of political interests, they don't care about any of the suffering of any of the people. As long as the enablers/instigators get a leg up over their rival, they don't care about anything else.

I know that PKK is being used as a proxy in my country by many nations around the world. And I know the pain it causes on everyone, including the terrorists themselves and their loved one's and families. So I actually got very mad when I heard that similar stuff was happening in Iran, by not only PJAK (which I was aware of) but some ethnic minority either to the southwest or southeast of the country. I can't remember the name of the minority, it was a while ago. I either read this somewhere or an Iranian acquaintance told be about it. When I first heard this I got pretty upset to hear that evil people were provoking, yet another set of my brethren against each other. And this happens in many countries I'm afraid, especially in the Middle East, all in the name of political interests.

I am not going to forgive any of these malefactors, instigators and provokers. As they are even worse than any terrorist. Because a terrorist is eventually someone influenced/manipulated into becoming a terrorist by these instigators.