Iran and the Shah: What Really Happened

[al-Hasani]

I agree with you. Discussion is useless with them, and mods may not like such discussions. Anyway, we had also some fun at the last page of this thread, which was enough laughter for today.

It was indeed not only hilarious but completely harmless too. Obviously those that have a problem with it are the supporters of the barbaric and sick Iranian regime. I wonder how many innocent Arabs that they have killed this month based on empty claims like "enemy of God" etc. Yet those creatures have the audacity to cry whenever KSA executes 3-5 Iranian drug smugglers every second years or os when the same punishment applies for locals. Even their PISSTV propaganda filth made an entire documentary crying about 1 Iranian fisherman being executed in KSA for drug smuggling. To bad, don't smuggle drugs into the country then, idiot. You knew the laws. Same would happen the other way around. But nobody is stupid enough to go to Iran and do such things. If I frequented that nonsense page 50% of the news would be about KSA as usual. And front-page as well. Sick people.

Our regimes are toothless. If it was Arabs of the old day Iran would have been invaded completely once again. Unfortunately the Arab world got a lot of problems internally right now and Iran are the least of the problems but if I was the ruler and ruled a united Arab world the Mullah regime would be gone by now. Just for their shameless treatment of fellow citizens and minorities and compared to how their pfuking MIGRANTS are treated in our lands. You saw that video I posted earlier in this thread right?

The Iranians deserve their regime and the reality they live in if they are silent supporters like we have witnessed today here in this thread and continue to witness. Very disappointing but I guess this is the consequence.

Watch me getting banned for speaking the truth.

 

[DarkPrince]

@DarkPrince - Na salaaam....na dua aur straight 'thanks' - Aiseiii Bhai hoteiii hain ?

butt sahib maf kare agar bura laga toh but these days mai dekhta jyada hu bolta kam hu

 

[Armstrong]

butt sahib maf kare agar bura laga toh but these days mai dekhta jyada hu bolta kam hu

So what are you up to these days ? Studies...Work ?

 

[Sugarcane]

if you don't like them (they seem to have stupid comments i agree) why you stay in this company?

LOL!!!! They don't pay me salary, neither i work for them. And if disliking couple of people in company should be criteria for living company than i should sit at home.

But anyway, I didn't say that i don't like them, infect i always enjoy listening to them.

 

[Armstrong]

butt sahib maf kare agar bura laga toh but these days mai dekhta jyada hu bolta kam hu

@LoveIcon - Yaar waisee Lovey Bhai hum West Pakistani innn Bengaloyioon koh Urdu nahin sikhaa sakheiii purrr Bollywood key movies ne sikhaa diyaaa !

Maybe we should've made better films in Urdu and have cinemas open up all over East-Bengal with free movie nights !

Missed Opportunity !

 

[DarkPrince]

So what are you up to these days ? Studies...Work ?

thora bohat dono hi dua karo sab theek rahe

 

[ResurgentIran]

lol its quite telling that the anti-Iran posters in the thread contributed to about 4 of the 5 pages in this thread (with a bunch of troll posts and with a clear indication of intrinsic and pathological hate), and none of the posts I saw from Iranian posters like New or Hussein or myself were we ever defending the regime. The thread is not about that. Its about the Shah, but less than 5 % of the posts are on point.

You're having a one-sided monolog amongst yourselves. lol
Carry on.

 

[Iranwillrise]

Yes, the reason behind it was Reza Khan getting close to Nazi Germany and Hitler and spread BS aryan blood theories.


They just have a big mouth. As you saw the Fact book of Azerbaijani armed forces thread, I am sure that now, you have normally noticed they cannot do much against us with their outdated junks.
Anyway, I have a serious criticism about GCC governments. Why GCC does not support Al-Ahwazi arabs? Baku always support South Azeris in some extent, but GCC countries have not supported Al-Ahwazi arabs so far. They are the best allies of southern Azeris, and they always interview with Azeri media, hence we know their situation is really bad. Well, persians can do less against us, since we have money, big population, major businesses, ... in Iran, but it's not the case for Al-Ahwazi arabs. There is also huge racism against them in their own lands. I would strongly say they are the groups that suffer the most from racism in Iran. It's really hard to be described, but many of them don't even have access to clean water, electricity, gas, ... let alone having jobs when almost all Iranian oil is extracted from their own lands. Even oil company fires them from works, police harasses them in a daily basis for non-sense reasons, ... They live much much worse than Palestinian refugees.

1. GCC did their best during Iran-Iraq war, more support for saddam was simply not possible
2. The situation of Iranian arabs is till better than kurds of turkey who have revolted in 30% of turkish cities these days.

 

[Halimi]

Iran's strategic policy has run its course in the region and the Sunni Muslim mass and establishment has categorised Iran as an enemy, after having previously seen it as being at the forefront of the Palestinian cause.

Iran's standing will not recover and its sphere of influence will not be put back together. Finished.

 

[SALMAN F]

In generel the article is right.. The Shah was never a puppet of the west, that has always been a myth. He was simply a sovereign leader who wanted to develop Iran, but even this was not acceptable to the west....his oil policy, his military policy, the nuclear policy....they wanted Iran to stop it all, that's why they brought Khomenei in, the West wanted him to turn Iran into a second Saudi Arabia! But the Soviets had nothing to do with the coup against the Shah, that's bullshit.

A better asessment of the fall of the Shah can be found in the book "A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order" by William Engdahl.

A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order: F. William Engdahl: 9780745323091: Amazon.com: Books




A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order: F. William Engdahl: 9780745323091: Amazon.com: Books



Back then in 1979, China was the only country which called the revolution a western coup, and their asessment was totally right. Ironically, a few years later, China became Irans most important ally. In the Iran-Iraq war, China provided Iran with critical know how to re-engineer US weapons, and when Iran re-started its nuclear industry in the mid 80's, it was China which helped with technology and training of iranian nuclear scientists (a decade later they stoped due to US pressure).

As far as Russia is concerned: In Soviet Era, Russia had a common border with Iran, and when Khomenei came to power, this was a threat to Russias interests in the Caspian Sea region and also the wider Middle East, so the Russians helped to arm Saddam in the war to degrade Irans conventional military. Fortunately the Soviet Union collapsed, Russia was no longer a world power and had no common border with Iran anymore, so they the saw a stronger Iran as usefull against the US. In the 90's, Russia trained a lot of iranian military engineers and after Chinas exit, Russia trained Iranian nuclear scientists and provided nuclear technology to Iran. And in the current Russia-West standoff, Iran can further profit.

It was one of the Wests biggest mistakes in history to topple the Shah. The Shah never opposed the West, he only wanted a sovereign and prosperous Iran. Now the West has the unique chance to again have close relations with Iran, if they don't take it, then Iran will totally go into the Russia-China camp.

Yea right he was not a puppet??!!
He helped to transform israeli arms to to kurds in order to make Iraq busy to fight against the kurds and not to fight israel at the Jordanian syrian front
he was put in power by British coup and you say he is not puppet

 

[al-Hasani]

lol its quite telling that the anti-Iran posters in the thread contributed to about 4 of the 5 pages in this thread (with a bunch of troll posts and with a clear indication of intrinsic and pathological hate), and none of the posts I saw from Iranian posters like New or Hussein or myself were we ever defending the regime. The thread is not about that. Its about the Shah, but less than 5 % of the posts are on point.

You're having a one-sided monolog amongst yourselves. lol
Carry on.

Anti Iranian regime = anti-Iran posts. Great logic. Where are you when dozens of Iranian users insult your Mullah's openly? Then you say nothing.

Posting your sick and idiotic regimes silly and idiotic threats that they have made themselves = trolling Iran.

Posting factual posts about how racism is state-institutionalized under the Mullah regime and how minorities are denied basic rights etc. = trolling Iran

Showcasing the hypocrisy of the Iranian users here who claim to be against the regime yet are their defenders when rightful criticism arrives = trolling Iran.

Soon it will become a crime to write Mullah because that will also be considered trolling against Iran.

Of course when dozens of idiotic farsi double users (you guys are second when it comes to that after the Indians on PDF) are trolling 24/7 and posting anti-Arab, anti-Turkish etc. material all over the forum you guys are nowhere to be seen. Strange. Even your moderator @Serpentine does nothing to stop those obvious suicide trolls. I had to personally contact @WebMaster and find the adequate proof to get that serial double user and troll banned. Otherwise nothing would have been done.

The biggest trolls are your own Mullah's as anyone can see. Start from there.

@rmi5

Guess what that serial troll is back now. I just saw that he quoted my post on the "Arabic Coffee Shop" thread.

 

[ResurgentIran]

Anti Iranian regime = anti-Iran posts. Great logic. Where are you when dozens of Iranian users insult your Mullah's openly? Then you say nothing.

Posting your sick and idiotic regimes silly and idiotic threats that they have made themselves = trolling Iran.

Posting factual posts about how racism is state-institutionalized under the Mullah regime an how minorities are denied basic rights etc. = trolling Iran

Showcasing the hypocrisy of the Iranian users here who claim to be against the regime let are their defenders when rightful criticism arrives = trolling Iran.

Soon it will become a cry to write Mullah that will also be considered trolling against Iran.

The biggest trolls are your own Mullah's as anyone can see. Start from there.

Iran is one of the most open and tolerant societes in the region. Im not speaking about regime, Im talking generally as people (whether it be Persians, Azaris, Kurds, Jews, Armenians). The fact that Iran is so stable and not ridden with ethnic conflicts, unlike some other countries we know, is a testament to the fact.
Thats why Iran under the Shah was stable (aside from people rising up against him, but not because of ethnic or sectarian tension as such doesnt exist in Iran, but because of politics). And that is why Iran will continue to be stable as a country tomorrow and 1000 years from now.

I dont think you are one to speak abour racism considering the treatment of your slave workers from Bangladesh, Pakistan, India, who built the infrastructure of your country.

 

[Iranwillrise]

Yea right he was not a puppet??!!
He helped to transform israeli arms to to kurds in order to make Iraq busy to fight against the kurds and not to fight israel at the Jordanian syrian front
he was put in power by British coup and you say he is not puppet

First of all what's wrong with Israel? Iran has ancient ties with jews.
Secondly Reza Shah was assisted by British, however if he was a British puppet he would never work with Germans.

 

[al-Hasani]

Iran is one of the most open and tolerant societes in the region. Im not speaking about regime, Im talking generally as people (whether it be Persians, Azaris, Kurds, Jews, Armenians). The fact that Iran is so stable and not ridden with ethnic conflicts, unlike some other countries we know, is a testament to the fact.
Thats why Iran under the Shah was stable (aside from people rising up against him, but not because of ethnic or sectarian tension as such doesnt exist in Iran, but because of politics). And that is why Iran will continue to be stable as a country tomorrow and 1000 years from now.

I dont think you are one to speak abour racism considering the treatment of your slave workers from Bangladesh, Pakistan, India, who built the infrastructure of your country.

LOL, that's obviously nonsense. If Iran was so tolerant it would not have had state-institutionalized racism applied since the days of the Shah. 50% of your population are non-Persians yet they are not even allowed to speak their NATIVE tongues. They are oppressed, their political figures are regularly jailed and killed etc.

Even Iranins on PDF are the most racist of all ME people here. Tork, Torke Khar, Tazi etc.

Baluch are rioting in your lands, Kurds, you had wars with Kurds, Arabs have had uprisings etc.

Those are few incidents.

Iran's anti-Arab racism | Comment is free | theguardian.com

RACISM IN CONTEMPORARY IRAN

The Farsis are the only people in the ME who are as deluded as thinking that they have any ties to Germans for instance and their Aryan nonsense despite genetically not being any differently from other ME people.

PS: I never knew that Qatar was my country.

KSA racist? Look at our football team. It has people of Afro-Arab origin (dominating), Indonesian, Turkish, Arab etc.

Better look how Iranians are treated in the GCC and how you treat Arabs in Iran.

@rmi5 an Azerbaijani Turkic Iranian and our Turkmen friend all complained about the heavy racism in Iran. Hence they escaped abroad. Coincidence? Don't think so.

PS; There is also racism in the Arab world and I am not going to deny that but you are leading in this discipline. BY FAR.

 

[Azizam]

I don't think Iranians are as racist as you say

There's a lot of Iranians I know and they are quite nice. Just my personal experience anyway but some seem to be racist towards Arabs but none of them has been racist towards Turkey or Turks and they even visit Turkey occasionally.