Iran and role in PKK support

[atatwolf]

You can't say Iran only shelled the place with artillery, considering the man who have died during the clashed with PJAK. But you guys won't solve this problem, if you guys refuse to acknowledge that there are problems with the Kurdish population in Turkey.

No, I don't think that, recently PKK attacks have risen because of increasing Irani military support for PKK. I would say, unless we crush the snake head of Iran that supports them just over the border, PKK problem will never be solved. But there is work in progress to deal with Iran.

 

[LegionnairE]

You can't say Iran only shelled the place with artillery, considering the man who have died during the clashed with PJAK. But you guys won't solve this problem, if you guys refuse to acknowledge that there are problems with the Kurdish population in Turkey.

lol who does? obviously somethings are fvcked up,

If everybody have done their own damn jobs it would be over long before. Politicians either do nothing or they put their nose in the armed forces' business.

If somebody screwed up it's politicians, not the army.

 

[Axa-]

Surenas

What makes u think Iran is more experienced with assimetric warfare than Turkey. This is an ignorant statement we are semi-actively dealing more than 30 years with this assimetric warfare.

Btw, hezbies are not more organized or trained or even armed than that of the fighters of PKK. Actually the PKK as a movement is even more determined and professional then them. Keep in mind they do even kamikaze type suicide bombings when ordered so too.

 

[Surenas]

Surenas

What makes u think Iran is more experienced with assimetric warfare than Turkey. This is an ignorant statement we are semi-actively dealing more than 30 years with this assimetric warfare.

Based on history perhaps? Even some Turks acknowledge this. Read Robet Baer's book if you like. Hezbollah is the most professional non-conventional army in the world.

Btw, hezbies are not more organized or trained or even armed than that of the fighters of PKK. Actually the PKK is even more professional then them.

Hezbies are way better organized and trained than PKK-fighters. A report on Nasrallah's bodyguards:

Nasrallah's bodyguards

The members of the Shiite bodyguard unit are distinguished Hezbollah men who had proven their loyalties and fighting skill. The unit expanded in the wake of the Second Lebanon War and today comprises 19 men, all tasked with safeguarding the secretary general. Bodyguards are recruited after several years of field service.

A Shiite youngster who wishes to become Nasrallah's bodyguard must undertake basic and advanced training, which usually takes place in northern Lebanon. After proving his skill in handling guns, explosives, communication equipment and anti-tank weapons, and especially after showing that he is ideologically fit for the job, a candidate is examined in the field. There is no shortage of tests under fire in Lebanon, and those who wish to stand out have an opportunity to do so.

In the next phase, the young men are sent to a Revolutionary Guards training camp near Tehran. Just like Hezbollah men earmarked for other posts, the bodyguards undergo additional basic training. Only after successfully completing this phase, Nasrallah's guards advance to learning bodyguard techniques.

The instructors are Iranian bodyguards who belong to the Revolutionary Guards and possess great skill. In a state where assassination attempts are a matter of routine, there is no other way.

The Second Lebanon War and Nasrallah's move to the bunker forced his bodyguards to develop further skills. A defense official estimates that in recent years the guards have also turned into communication experts. They are responsible for connecting Nasrallah to the outside world by recording his speeches and facilitating coded broadcasts and calls.

Hence, any Nasrallah speech, whether recorder or live, is facilitated by his bodyguards. The fear of Israeli infiltration is so great that even employees of the group's television station, al-Manar, are not allowed to enter the secret bunker.

According to Shiite websites, the Hezbollah chief's bodyguard unit is headed by Abu-Ali, Nasrallah's son-in-law. He is also regularly escorted by Abu al-Fadel, a loyal sniper who has been trained by the Revolutionary Guards.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4036843,00.html

 

[Axa-]

Very nice info and all but it doesnt prove me wrong

Pkk is militarily, politically, ideologically as a movement and its active members, the masses supporters, sympathisers and + the countries that support them. Considering all this the PKK is atleast 10x stronger than Hezbullah from southern lebanon.

 

[Surenas]

Very nice info and all but it doesnt prove me wrong

Pkk is militarily, politically, ideologically as a movement and its active members, the masses supporters, sympathisers and + the countries that support them. Considering all this the PKK is atleast 10x stronger than Hezbullah from southern lebanon.

Not at all.

You should read about Hezbollah's performance in the Second Lebanese War, their intelligence service, worldwide activity, etc. PKK is nothing compared to Hezbollah. Not politically, economically, technology, military or ideology.

Israeli commander Gui Zur called Hizbollah: "by far the greatest guerrilla group in the world".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#Armed_strength

 

[Axa-]

lol and look who said that! As if they are a someone with history of wars.

Anyway


Arab Hezbullah guys seem soft compared to the kurds these guys grow up in the mountians like wild beasts. Unfurtionately for them, seriously their only misfortune was that they choose the wrongest people on earth to have a fight with! Any other country or nation they wouldve succeeded long time ago easily!

 

[Abii]

I can't believe these fools are comparing the PKK fighters to Hezbollah. Hezbollah is financed to the tune of billions of dollars every year, they have assets everywhere in Lebanon and they also get money from Iran (as I said they don't rely on Iranian money only, they have their own legal operations), they have people all over the govt (11 seats in the parliament and also a couple of senate seats), they have a better military then the military of Lebanon itself, they have so much cash that they build entire cities for their supporters in shia neighborhoods complete with hospitals, roads, houses etc... they even have ballistic missiles and anti ship missiles. PKK are a bunch of goat herders less equipped than the taliban. A PKK individual's sole worldly position is the AK on his back and the kettle he uses to boil water with. They have a few heavy machine guns here and there and whatever else they can scavenge. No political power, no military power, zero economic power (in fact it's they who get money from their supporters as opposed to them giving money to their supporters like Hezbollah) etc... I swear, I'm starting to like the wahabis more than these lot. The wahabis are hate filled, but they aint dumb. These guys are just in their own world.

 

[Azatavrear]

I can't believe these fools are comparing the PKK fighters to Hezbollah. Hezbollah is financed to the tune of billions of dollars every year, they have assets everywhere in Lebanon and they also get money from Iran (as I said they don't rely on Iranian money only, they have their own legal operations), they have people all over the govt (11 seats in the parliament and also a couple of senate seats), they have a better military then the military of Lebanon itself, they have so much cash that they build entire cities for their supporters in shia neighborhoods complete with hospitals, roads, houses etc... they even have ballistic missiles and anti ship missiles. PKK are a bunch of goat herders less equipped than the taliban. A PKK individual's sole worldly position is the AK on his back and the kettle he uses to boil water with. They have a few heavy machine guns here and there and whatever else they can scavenge. No political power, no military power, zero economic power (in fact it's they who get money from their supporters as opposed to them giving money to their supporters like Hezbollah) etc... I swear, I'm starting to like the wahabis more than these lot. The wahabis are hate filled, but they aint dumb. These guys are just in their own world.

This is why I say you guys don't understand who Turks really are.....your own good nature cannot allow it but you can't turn your back either, ever.

atatwolf represents the majority of the Anatolian Turkish mentality very well, don't blame him for that.

For now Turkey is blaming PKK on Iran....later they will find something else. One thing you don't want to do with them is to go on the defensive like Surenas is doing.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

I can't believe these fools are comparing the PKK fighters to Hezbollah. Hezbollah is financed to the tune of billions of dollars every year, they have assets everywhere in Lebanon and they also get money from Iran (as I said they don't rely on Iranian money only, they have their own legal operations), they have people all over the govt (11 seats in the parliament and also a couple of senate seats), they have a better military then the military of Lebanon itself, they have so much cash that they build entire cities for their supporters in shia neighborhoods complete with hospitals, roads, houses etc... they even have ballistic missiles and anti ship missiles. PKK are a bunch of goat herders less equipped than the taliban. A PKK individual's sole worldly position is the AK on his back and the kettle he uses to boil water with. They have a few heavy machine guns here and there and whatever else they can scavenge. No political power, no military power, zero economic power (in fact it's they who get money from their supporters as opposed to them giving money to their supporters like Hezbollah) etc... I swear, I'm starting to like the wahabis more than these lot. The wahabis are hate filled, but they aint dumb. These guys are just in their own world.

That's why I suggest Iranian members not to come here and try and have serious conversations with these people. Every time Iranians come here and try to have a proper talk, these Turks make false accusations and attack. That leads to members like Surenas and Era going on the defensive.

You guys must understand that this looks bad on Iran.

 

[twilight]

Very nice info and all but it doesnt prove me wrong

Pkk is militarily, politically, ideologically as a movement and its active members, the masses supporters, sympathisers and + the countries that support them. Considering all this the PKK is atleast 10x stronger than Hezbullah from southern lebanon.

If Hezbollah was as weak as PKK , then Israel would finish them in 2006 .... Israel army is strong and they aren't only some useless troops with some fancy weapon , they knew how use their weapon perfectly ...

.........................

don't begin to saying racist bullshits .... Turks always have some smart people .... well , fact is that we have different interest compare to turkey .... and this is main source of problems ...

......................

 

[atatwolf]

Typical farsi fascism, if you can't win the argument, attack all Turkish members with the help of your armenian pet. I didn't even agree with axa from the beginning. So why attack all of us and get emotional when I talk the truth about Iran and pkk role.

It can't be denied that iran has increased pkk support and opened their camps just over the border in Iran. Iran will pay for this. But some of you are too indoctrinated by farsi fascism to see that/

 

[Shahin Vatani]

Typical farsi fascism, if you can't win the argument, attack all Turkish members with the help of your armenian pet. I didn't even agree with axa from the beginning. So why attack all of us and get emotional when I talk the truth about Iran and pkk role.

It can't be denied that iran has increased pkk support and opened their camps just over the border in Iran. Iran will pay for this. But some of you are too indoctrinated by farsi fascism to see that/

Yes, we support Kurds and PKK. Yes, you will make us pay. Blah blah blah.

 

[Uhuhu]

I asked them some questiosn but they have no answer and just blathering.

to Turks who all the time make troll threads and say iran is supporting pkk. instead of blathering prove it.
Iran is The only country That help turkey against pkk. where are others?your neighbors? your allies in NATO? huh? europians supporting pkk and let them to be free in their countries and you guys with no proof are saying Iran That is the only country help you, is supporting pkk?
It's so funny you accuse The only country in the world who help you against pkk. How about a thank you?!
Iranian members in PDF make friendly threads and turkish members are hard trying to be enemy with Iran,and make troll threads everyday against iranian. the only neighbor friend.

Iran is supporting pkk to explode Iranian gas pipeline in the border?!!
Iran is supporting pkk to make the region and the roads Unsafe when Turkey’s 3rd biggest trading partner is IRAN?!!

Iran always support iranic people like kurds everywhere. but it doesn't mean they support an armored group who make the region Unsafe. wanna be persian ,kurd or arab.

 

[twilight]

Typical farsi fascism, if you can't win the argument, attack all Turkish members with the help of your armenian pet. I didn't even agree with axa from the beginning. So why attack all of us and get emotional when I talk the truth about Iran and pkk role.

It can't be denied that iran has increased pkk support and opened their camps just over the border in Iran. Iran will pay for this. But some of you are too indoctrinated by farsi fascism to see that/

you are free to blame us for your problems .... we have no way to stop you ... so continue to blame Iran for everything you don't like it ......