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why are you spamming in this thread.. don't show off dude... are you referring S-300???
Ins Kolkata inducted in Indian Navy.
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Can't stop laughing... its like comparing huge Su-27 with small F-35..... HQ-9 might have greater range but LR-SAM is two generation ahead. Anyone anyday will pick LRSAM over HQ9. there is generations of gaps.
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@super boy....... bro just chill man what u r trying to say?
We r not going to fight with anyone soon. Wait till 2020 and that u will see indian navy as one of the most powerful navy in the world.
About China...... they r smarter then u n they choose development not to supports terrorits. Yes there r ahead from us but as we r also not as week so they will never try to do silly against India....
Well bro u need to care about your navy. Not india or china.... china will not going to help u in any war, atleast will not send ships for u:p
We r not going to fight with anyone soon. Wait till 2020 and that u will see indian navy as one of the most powerful navy in the world.
About China...... they r smarter then u n they choose development not to supports terrorits. Yes there r ahead from us but as we r also not as week so they will never try to do silly against India....
Well bro u need to care about your navy. Not india or china.... china will not going to help u in any war, atleast will not send ships for u:p
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--@super boy....... bro just chill man what u r trying to say?
We r not going to fight with anyone soon. Wait till 2020 and that u will see indian navy as one of the most powerful navy in the world.
About China...... they r smarter then u n they choose development not to supports terrorits. Yes there r ahead from us but as we r also not as week so they will never try to do silly against India....
Well bro u need to care about your navy. Not india or china.... china will not going to help u in any war, atleast will not send ships for u:p
these people dont undesrtnad
China will never never never get in to india -pak war..
thy dont want to scarifce their people 50 ys work, pain,development ruined in war for FRIEND..
even some sane pakistnai aceept it..
China would be happy to be neutral but again if russia and usa spcialy usa come in conflict they are in trouble..
as usa will not leve that golden chnce to regain waht is loosing in asia
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Not to mention the price tag for Ins Kolkata which is reportedly 3 times 052D's。
IN does need to cut down the foreign contents in its ships。
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Kolkata class ships cost around $900 million/unit.
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I will answer in 5 points
1. INS Kolkata is not underpowered. It carries 16 brahmos missiles that can be used for both land attack and anti ship warfare. To give you an idea it maintains mach 2.8 at all levels of fligtht something klub or yj 18 can do only for 40 km. Also the LRSAM can stop dead such a missile 500m away from ship. The MF STAR adds unprecedented situational awareness.
2. The 32 Load on the INS Kolkata of Barak 8 is more thqn enough for AAW as it gives protection against P 800 class Ashm and jet fighters upto 70 km range. The Horizon and Type 45 carry 48 SAM but have 32 Aster 30 and 16 Aster 15 as weapons load. The Aster 15 is for point defence. Even Type 052D carries 32 HHQ 9 SAM in fore VLS and 16 YJ 18 and 16 CY 5 ASW rocket in aft VLS. Point defence is done by FL 3000 and 1 X CIWS. INS Kolkata can use Barak 8 but the AK 630 can easily handle subsonic missiles and lgb bombs.
3. For all the critics of P 15B sorry but Barak 8 VLS load is now atleast 48 as section between fore 16 cell barak 8 has been part of a bigger VLS sections as per photos of late 2013 released last month. This matches the model tender specifications of 2013 and in new one it says 64 Barak 8 SAM!
4. To all Indians why listen/reply to Pakistani trolls, their navy has enough money to only induct missile boats without SAM systems. Please don't even give them half a cent worth of appreciation, their "aukaad" is on debt even there.
5. INS Kolkata cost around 900 mn $ as the ship had R&D costs as well. Even then they are a third of what foreign navies pay per ship. Subsequent ships will be cheaper due to modular construction, indigenous steel, ready made weapons and sensors and established production line.
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1. INS Kolkata is not underpowered. It carries 16 brahmos missiles that can be used for both land attack and anti ship warfare. To give you an idea it maintains mach 2.8 at all levels of fligtht something klub or yj 18 can do only for 40 km. Also the LRSAM can stop dead such a missile 500m away from ship. The MF STAR adds unprecedented situational awareness.
2. The 32 Load on the INS Kolkata of Barak 8 is more thqn enough for AAW as it gives protection against P 800 class Ashm and jet fighters upto 70 km range. The Horizon and Type 45 carry 48 SAM but have 32 Aster 30 and 16 Aster 15 as weapons load. The Aster 15 is for point defence. Even Type 052D carries 32 HHQ 9 SAM in fore VLS and 16 YJ 18 and 16 CY 5 ASW rocket in aft VLS. Point defence is done by FL 3000 and 1 X CIWS. INS Kolkata can use Barak 8 but the AK 630 can easily handle subsonic missiles and lgb bombs.
3. For all the critics of P 15B sorry but Barak 8 VLS load is now atleast 48 as section between fore 16 cell barak 8 has been part of a bigger VLS sections as per photos of late 2013 released last month. This matches the model tender specifications of 2013 and in new one it says 64 Barak 8 SAM!
4. To all Indians why listen/reply to Pakistani trolls, their navy has enough money to only induct missile boats without SAM systems. Please don't even give them half a cent worth of appreciation, their "aukaad" is on debt even there.
5. INS Kolkata cost around 900 mn $ as the ship had R&D costs as well. Even then they are a third of what foreign navies pay per ship. Subsequent ships will be cheaper due to modular construction, indigenous steel, ready made weapons and sensors and established production line.
Cheers
Launched in 2006. Inducted more than 8 years later. Radar is Israeli. Missiles are Israeli. Engine is American. Not a timeline to show for. Type 052D took less than 2 years from launch to induction and is all Chinese.
Type 055 is a whole generation ahead of Kolkata and is coming next year
Geez everybody knows china is way ahead of india bro. you want to turn this into another dick measuring contest and derail this thread?
So whats the point of always trying to denigrate another country's achievement(even though I understand that country might be a rival to yours)? What do you gain from doing that? It makes you feel better/good?
You can stil be rivals but still appreciate/commend an achievement from a rival country. Geez this is what I dont like in this forum. Members here always try to denigrate/criticise any achievement whatsoever by their rival country. Ive seen it with vietnamese/filipinos/Indians against China, Pakistan/bengladesh(and to my surprise even Chinese) against India, Russians against the west/U.S, turkish/Saudi Arabia against Iran, Palestinians and some Muslims against Israel, etc etc......
We are in a discussion forum to learn and exchange ideas. If members here can see past their bias for their own country/indulge in personal attacks then this forum will be pointless, since I have noticed that there are several members here who are so biased that they will never agree with a point that is counter/against their own imaginary/perceived belief(even when they know they are in the wrong. Especially when that point doesnt favour their country or is from a rival country member. as an example if I make comments that are critical of india, japan or U.S some members from these countries label me chinese/Pakistan etc. Same when I make comments critical to China/Russia/Pakistan etc they accuse me of being a brainwashed westerner or indian or whatever. I just dont understand this logic at times. I can be British and still criticize my country if I think theres a fair reason to do. I always try and be honedst in my comments on here ( though personzlly I might be biased towards my country). Its only in doing so that you earn respec, honesty and can learn from others/have a proper constructive arguments.
I believe we are adults and can at least be polite, honest and considerate towards others when making a point.
Thankfully there are a few sane members here like nihonji, chinese dragon, and leveragedbuyout who I admire/respect for their constructive views. Hope other members will be more tolerant.
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photo please...
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defence.pk/threads/first-project-15b-bangalore-class-ddg-hull-satellite-pics.325439/
Observe the second photo in the url I have attached above, the first two trenches are for brahmos vls , with each carrying 16 rounds.
In the third elongated slit, the vls module is for barak 8.
Now look at the backside of the ship, you will see two small trenches that look like nostrils which are barak 8 rounds. There is place for 2 X 8 vls cells for barak 8 here.
But the third trench is considerably longer giving rise to theory that it is for 32 cells.
This is affirmed by the tender for a model of P 15B issued by MDL sometime in October 2013. In fact there is link in that very url that confirms this fact.
In the new tender issued by MDL in July 2014 (link also on the url page) they say 64 barak 8 missiles as sm lnch module. Since the models reflect projected specifications, the P 15B has 64 SAM!
(Typing from phone with no android hence can't post photo.)
Observe the second photo in the url I have attached above, the first two trenches are for brahmos vls , with each carrying 16 rounds.
In the third elongated slit, the vls module is for barak 8.
Now look at the backside of the ship, you will see two small trenches that look like nostrils which are barak 8 rounds. There is place for 2 X 8 vls cells for barak 8 here.
But the third trench is considerably longer giving rise to theory that it is for 32 cells.
This is affirmed by the tender for a model of P 15B issued by MDL sometime in October 2013. In fact there is link in that very url that confirms this fact.
In the new tender issued by MDL in July 2014 (link also on the url page) they say 64 barak 8 missiles as sm lnch module. Since the models reflect projected specifications, the P 15B has 64 SAM!
(Typing from phone with no android hence can't post photo.)
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The photo in question is attached above.
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What is the difference between vertical launcher module (UVLM) & vertical launching system (VLS) ?
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The cost ballooned becuz of Bureaucratic hurdles which were caused by the previous inept govt & even then the costs are not so much,the costs will further go down due to increase content from our side,modular construction.Kolkata has 80% Ingenious content,out of the 3 services Navy is far ahead in the process of inducting home grown things.
Geez everybody knows china is way ahead of india bro. you want to turn this into another dick measuring contest and derail this thread?
So whats the point of always trying to denigrate another country's achievement(even though I understand that country might be a rival to yours)? What do you gain from doing that? It makes you feel better/good?
You can stil be rivals but still appreciate/commend an achievement from a rival country. Geez this is what I dont like in this forum. Members here always try to denigrate/criticise any achievement whatsoever by their rival country. Ive seen it with vietnamese/filipinos/Indians against China, Pakistan/bengladesh(and to my surprise even Chinese) against India, Russians against the west/U.S, turkish/Saudi Arabia against Iran, Palestinians and some Muslims against Israel, etc etc......
We are in a discussion forum to learn and exchange ideas. If members here can see past their bias for their own country/indulge in personal attacks then this forum will be pointless, since I have noticed that there are several members here who are so biased that they will never agree with a point that is counter/against their own imaginary/perceived belief(even when they know they are in the wrong. Especially when that point doesnt favour their country or is from a rival country member. as an example if I make comments that are critical of india, japan or U.S some members from these countries label me chinese/Pakistan etc. Same when I make comments critical to China/Russia/Pakistan etc they accuse me of being a brainwashed westerner or indian or whatever. I just dont understand this logic at times. I can be British and still criticize my country if I think theres a fair reason to do. I always try and be honedst in my comments on here ( though personzlly I might be biased towards my country). Its only in doing so that you earn respec, honesty and can learn from others/have a proper constructive arguments.
I believe we are adults and can at least be polite, honest and considerate towards others when making a point.
Thankfully there are a few sane members here like nihonji, chinese dragon, and leveragedbuyout who I admire/respect for their constructive views. Hope other members will be more tolerant.
That was a very constructive & Meaningful post
.I have a feeling you won't last long here with this attitude 
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Is there a precedent, except in India, to commission a battle ship which is not ready/fully equipped to do what it is designed to?
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