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On November 16, the Indian Navy finally took delivery of aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, formerly the Adm. Gorshkov, at Sevmash Shipyard in northern Russia's Severodvinsk town. The acquisition marks a new phase in India’s quest to become a true blue-water navy.

The handover ceremony of the 44,570-tonne carrier is sure to have generated more than a passing interest within the PLA Navy and across the rest of the continent, since India will be the only country in Asia to have two aircraft carriers in its fleet. Admittedly, the 55-year old INS Viraat is “long in the tooth” as India's Navy Chief Admiral D. K. Joshi himself described it in a recent interview, but it will continue to operate until India's locally built carrier INS Vikrant becomes operational by 2017.
At the moment, only the U.S. Navy brings that sort of capability to Asia.


Although it is coming five years late – the original delivery was scheduled for 2008 – the Vikramaditya will give India the ability to project raw naval power in its “near abroad” as well as in its extended neighborhood. With a capacity to carry two dozen Mig-29 K fighter jets and 10 Kamov helicopters at any given time on board and fitted with the latest sensors and missiles, the brand-new aircraft carrier will boost the Indian Navy's firepower significantly.

But the Vikramaditya is not the only reason why the Indian Navy feels upbeat about its future capabilities. Naval aviation, long treated as a poor cousin of surface combatants in the Indian Navy, is exhibiting some new chutzpah of late. Days before Defence Minister AK Antony and flew to Russia with Joshi, the nation’s Defence Acquisition Council approved the purchase of four more Boeing P8I maritime patrol and antisubmarine aircraft in addition to the eight already contracted. The first of these eight planes was in fact parked at INS Dega airfield for everyone to see when Joshi formally inducted the newly acquired Advanced Jet Trainers Hawks into the Navy, to take training of Naval fighter pilots to the next level. The second P8I landed in India on November 15.

INS Dega, a small air station under Eastern Naval Command, is set to become Indian Navy's biggest air base on the eastern seaboard soon. The expansion of air assets in the East is just one of the several plans that the Indian Navy has unveiled to strengthen its presence in the Bay of Bengal and support India's “Look East Policy.” The P8Is are set to replace the hardy but old Soviet-made Tu-142 M aircraft that have been the backbone of the navy's long range maritime patrols – with flights lasting up to 16 hours at a stretch. The P8Is are expected to play a major role in the Navy's surveillance role in the Indian Ocean as well as Malacca Straits.

As Joshi told this writer in an interview for Indian broadcaster NDTV on board INS Jalashwa, the navy's biggest amphibious ship: "The first P8I has already arrived and is in the process of being accepted. Various acceptance trials are in progress and by the end of the year we will have three of them and others following in quick order next year. That brings into this region a capability that has not existed before. It’s a brand-new aircraft, apart from the platform which in any case is a proven Boeing aircraft. The fit has been to the specification the US Navy currently has. So therefore the capabilities that are coming into our hands are absolutely state of the art."

Another capability the Indian Navy quietly added earlier this year was a dedicated communication satellite for its exclusive use. The satellite is expected to fully stabilize by the end of December. Launched with the help of the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO), the naval satellite is described as a force multiplier by senior naval officers. It covers the Navy's entire area of interest in the Indian Ocean and beyond. The satellite handles all data transfers for maritime domain awareness and the entire range of communications and networking needs of the Indian Navy. "It brings an entirely new dimension in network operations and in maritime operations," Joshi told this writer a fortnight ago, speaking about the satellite for the first time in the public domain.

India’s Emerging Blue-Water Navy | The Diplomat
 
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Launching a military satellite specifically for the navy is a real force multiplier! Communications, target identification, acquisition, and tracking would get a quantum leap.

I wonder if the satellite can be used for ECM and ECCM too? If so, then the capabilities of the Eastern Carrier Battle Group would be mind boggling, blanking out electronics of incoming missiles rendering the battle group almost invincible!
 
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Launching a military satellite specifically for the navy is a real force multiplier! Communications, target identification, acquisition, and tracking would get a quantum leap.

I wonder if the satellite can be used for ECM and ECCM too? If so, then the capabilities of the Eastern Carrier Battle Group would be mind boggling, blanking out electronics of incoming missiles rendering the battle group almost invincible!

US, France, UK, China and Russia etc can project their power potential because either they do not have a powerful regional threat to counter or they have enough capability to deter a regional threat and also project their capability to take care of extra-regional threats. India is strategically surrounded from almost all sides on land by nuclear armed and strong Pakistan and China. How would India project its power through a blue water navy which as I earlier mentioned is merely a symbolic acquisition, particularly when there are more powerful navies operating even in Indian Ocean and would not allow it to be converted into India’s Ocean.

If you people are thrilled about the technical details and the equipment used, please go ahead and get thrilled. Gamers don't and can not effect the geopolitical games.
 
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US, France, UK, China and Russia etc can project their power potential because either they do not have a powerful regional threat to counter or they have enough capability to deter a regional threat and also project their capability to take care of extra-regional threats. India is strategically surrounded from almost all sides on land by nuclear armed and strong Pakistan and China. How would India project its power through a blue water navy which as I earlier mentioned is merely a symbolic acquisition, particularly when there are more powerful navies operating even in Indian Ocean and would not allow it to be converted into India’s Ocean.

If you people are thrilled about the technical details and the equipment used, please go ahead and get thrilled. Gamers don't and can not effect the geopolitical games.
lolzzz i smell something or some ones burning here with jealousi :chilli::taz::chilli:

lolzzz when thats the case why is pakistan keeping a navy at all when it is surrounded by ever agressive forces from all the sides lolzzz

what a silli logick thing is ACCs/CBGs+ neuklear sub + P8is & sat cower and will not allow your all weather freinds take india for granted niether will australians though they are neutral so far but who know about future

and thats the crux of all the matter "hope for the best but prepare for the worst":cheers:
 
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lolzzz i smell something or some ones burning here with jealousi :chilli::taz::chilli:

lolzzz when thats the case why is pakistan keeping a navy at all when it is surrounded by ever agressive forces from all the sides lolzzz

what a silli logick thing is ACCs/CBGs+ neuklear sub + P8is & sat cower and will not allow your all weather freinds take india for granted niether will australians though they are neutral so far but who know about future

and thats the crux of all the matter "hope for the best but prepare for the worst":cheers:

The power does not translate through symbolism.

If the Indian Navy would be a good looking dame, that'd be a different matter - but I do not like the ugly grey.
 
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US, France, UK, China and Russia etc can project their power potential because either they do not have a powerful regional threat to counter or they have enough capability to deter a regional threat and also project their capability to take care of extra-regional threats. India is strategically surrounded from almost all sides on land by nuclear armed and strong Pakistan and China. How would India project its power through a blue water navy which as I earlier mentioned is merely a symbolic acquisition, particularly when there are more powerful navies operating even in Indian Ocean and would not allow it to be converted into India’s Ocean.
For Christ's sake, do some study before venturing into uncharted waters. For your info, China has no naval forces worth the name in the Indian Ocean, and Pakistan doesn't count in the Indian Ocean at all. So your impression that India is boxed in by China and Pakistan is laughable.

And Pakistan is of little or no threat to India even in the Arabian sea. At best Pakistan's navy is fit only for escort duties for its commercial shipping near the Strait of Hormuz.
 
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The power does not translate through symbolism.

If the Indian Navy would be a good looking dame, that'd be a different matter - but I do not like the ugly grey.
ya right :omghaha::omghaha:
 
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For Christ's sake, do some study before venturing into uncharted waters. For your info, China has no naval forces worth the name in the Indian Ocean, and Pakistan doesn't count in the Indian Ocean at all. So your impression that India is boxed in by China and Pakistan is laughable.

And Pakistan is of little or no threat to India even in the Arabian sea. At best Pakistan's navy is fit only for escort duties for its commercial shipping near the Strait of Hormuz.

If you read my post without getting annoyed, you would find that I mentioned India is surrounded on land. However, in the Indian Ocean there are extra-regional navies which are much more powerful than Indian navy and therefore even there, Indian Navy would remain a second fiddle.

Pakistan is not much concerned about Indian Navy as long as the conventional imbalance is balanced through a nuclear overhang. 

Obviously I am right.
 
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For Christ's sake, do some study before venturing into uncharted waters. For your info, China has no naval forces worth the name in the Indian Ocean, and Pakistan doesn't count in the Indian Ocean at all. So your impression that India is boxed in by China and Pakistan is laughable.

And Pakistan is of little or no threat to India even in the Arabian sea. At best Pakistan's navy is fit only for escort duties for its commercial shipping near the Strait of Hormuz.

He is saying that USN is the most powerful navy in Indian Ocean and Indian navy exists at the mercy of the US Navy. So whether Indian Navy can operate in Indian ocean or not is not a military question, but a political question. India need to stay on the side of the US if it wish to sail the Indian Ocean.
 
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With the induction of scorpene subs the real power of navy will emerge
 
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He is saying that USN is the most powerful navy in Indian Ocean and Indian navy exists at the mercy of the US Navy. So whether Indian Navy can operate in Indian ocean or not is not a military question, but a political question. India need to stay on the side of the US if it wish to sail the Indian Ocean.

Indian Ocean is India's backyard.

SCS is the place where the real game would be played.

Japan/US/India/Vietnam/Philippines all would be playing around in SCS. Whether China can take on all the 4 is far from reality. But then people would say everything is in balance because China has nuclear weapons.
 
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Indian Ocean is India's backyard.

SCS is the place where the real game would be played.

Japan/US/India/Vietnam/Philippines all would be playing around in SCS. Whether China can take on all the 4 is far from reality. But then people would say everything is in balance because China has nuclear weapons.

US is the preeminent Navy is both SCS and IOR. When is India going to host USN in its base in India? There should be a fleet headquarter in India. Please share with me ports in India that can host a carrier battle group.

also, there is no shame when India host a carrier battle group. The political and economic benefit will free India to develop instead of spending all the money on weapons.
 
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Indian Ocean is India's backyard.

SCS is the place where the real game would be played.

Japan/US/India/Vietnam/Philippines all would be playing around in SCS. Whether China can take on all the 4 is far from reality. But then people would say everything is in balance because China has nuclear weapons.

US 7th Fleet is stationed at Okinawa, Japan and 5th Fleet is stationed at Bahrain. The US Navy's vision statement states that its priority is Pacific and Indian Ocean. Therefore by default India has lost control of its own back-yard. China is very strongly placed in SCS due to its A2/AD capabilities and yes the nuclear weapons do play their part. Vietnam, Phillipines and India does not posses the juice needed to even effect a blockade of SCS. Even the Japanese and Americans would be thinking a thousand times before poking a strong and powerful nuclear power like China.

Symbolic and rhetorical expression of strength without the ability to exercise this strength is known as power in being.
 
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US is the preeminent Navy is both SCS and IOR. When is India going to host USN in its base in India? There should be a fleet headquarter in India. Please share with me ports in India that can host a carrier battle group.

also, there is no shame when India host a carrier battle group. The political and economic benefit will free India to develop instead of spending all the money on weapons.

You wrote it wrong. Please take IOR from that list.

You dream a lot man. Why don't you tell me in detail how US would have a fully operational base in India?
 
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