India ready to give Pakistan ‘benefit of the doubt’: Salman Khurshid

[Indian-Lion]

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Admiral (Retd.) Ramdas, former chief of the Indian Navy said he knew that Indian forces have beheaded Pakistani soldiers in the past.

Dear Barkha Dutt: The Buck Stops Where? | Kafila

what on earth is kafila.org lol you rely on these news?? like seriously?!!

 

[PlanetWarrior]

The sad part for both nations is that there are multiple organizations with their own hidden agendas on both sides of the border. Sadly all these organizations have their fair share of blind followers who don't realize that they are being played for suckers. A point in example is the following:-

During the apartheid era in South Africa, the militaries of the SADC nations were overhyped. Military spending was rampant. The USA and its allies including Israel supported apartheid South Africa whilst then communist USSR supported the socialist neighboring Black states. The "supporting" countries including the USSR made a killing from the profits of supplying weapons to the warring countries. Then came the fall of the USSR in the early 1990s and the USA and its allies realized that they could no longer justify the unjustifiable apartheid state since communism (which was regarded as a larger evil) was now on its deathbed. They ditched the apartheid state which was compelled to negotiate peace with the Black majority.

India and Pakistan are now fair playgrounds to heap huge profits from warfare. The Indian and Pakistani politicians, generals and heads of the civil services receive huge kickbacks from these huge arms acquisitions. Both nations are incapable of domestically manufacturing a proper firing device for a pistol, let alone for a missile. They remain no better than the warring Apartheid state against the SADC states. You can bet your bottom dollar that if the USA and the powerful international nations including Russia, China and Saudi Arabia ditch both countries, they will both rush to the negotiating table. Right now though there are profits in war and war mongering and there are fools who support those who profit from the war mongering as is evident from responses on this forum by both Indians and Pakistanis. That unfortunately remains the bottom line

 

[SarthakGanguly]

She's a veteran here.And i do believe in the "survival of fittest theory".
She has survived in this shark infested waters for long.

But now back to topic ....i want her to give evidence to support her statement.
Otherwise we know who will have to gulp down their words.

By trolling like hell. Stay for sometime and you will know. Fit does not mean logical all the time. But then you will see.

 

[Levina]

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Admiral (Retd.) Ramdas, former chief of the Indian Navy said he knew that Indian forces have beheaded Pakistani soldiers in the past.

Dear Barkha Dutt: The Buck Stops Where? | Kafila

Lets not talk about the past.From 1947 onwards there have been many such incidents.
But the incident of beheading that i had quoted was a recent cease fire violation.Give me something which happened to provoke the beheading.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

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Admiral (Retd.) Ramdas, former chief of the Indian Navy said he knew that Indian forces have beheaded Pakistani soldiers in the past.

Dear Barkha Dutt: The Buck Stops Where? | Kafila

Show me the quote. Kafila is a blog(Trust me on that, check their About, they accept it as well). What they say is NOT news, but views. Besides, such an explosive admission by a named senior officer is big news. Post references.

 

[Nassr]

It really surprises me a great deal when the Indians think of themselves as a powerful nation in the region and that all the countries surrounding India are somehow subservient to Indian desires. It should be clear to the Indians that the current Republic of India is not what British India or Muslim India or even Mauryan rule once were.

I posted this earlier as well – let me post it again.

Lets see what can India do at geopolitical and geostrategic level:

· India can act as a countervailing force against China.

· As a milkman to sustain US economy.

· Compete with Chinese economic progress.

· Stabilize regional disputes with limited force projection capability.

Lets see what are India’s geopolitical and geostrategic strengths and weaknesses:

India cannot laterally expand its influence beyond its western borders due the existence of geo-political impediments in addition to the geographical restrictions placed by the presence of Pakistan, unless Pakistan allows it to do so.

Expansion of its influence towards the east is impeded due to the large geographical lay of China.

Myanmar can provide India with limited ability to expand towards South East Asia. Chinese influence in Myanmar has increased manifold and may limit future Indian endeavours.

Therefore the only direction it may be able to expand its influence is towards the vast expanse of sea in the south. The US also supports India’s increasing influence in IOR, but only as a second fiddle.

However even in the seas surrounding India, she is losing its influence amongst the island nations that surround India. Sri Lanka is a very important geostrategic and geopolitical player in this region and because of India’s Big Power syndrome along with unacceptable interference in Sri Lanka’s Tamil affairs, it has completely lost its support. So has been the case with Maldives.

India may be able to enhance her economic prowess and may be able to generate a bit of economic influence in all those countries which are its trading partners and may also be able to exercise a bit of negativity against Pakistan, China and Sri Lanka in this domain. However, India’s over 600 million poor and its poor infrastructure including the absence of industrial capacity and sustenance on services would be a big drain on India becoming an economic power house.

And it’s overall power projection and generation of influence in the key regions would still remain limited unless it drastically improves relations with both Sri Lanka, Pakistan and China.



Therefore, India’s concerns may not find due importance in places of import. This is so because India’s importance has diminished considerably due to her weakness at geopolitical and geostrategic levels. Very few listen to India in the region. I wonder who listens to India at international level and that is why Indians run to the Americans and seek their help to exert pressure on Pakistan and some others so that India’s concerns may find a listener.

 

[Indian-Lion]

Indians don't do such stupid things like beheading a HUMAN being to please god

It really surprises me a great deal when the Indians think of themselves as a powerful nation in the region and that all the countries surrounding India are somehow subservient to Indian desires. It should be clear to the Indians that the current Republic of India is not what British India or Muslim India or even Mauryan rule once were.

I posted this earlier as well – let me post it again.

Lets see what can India do at geopolitical and geostrategic level:

· India can act as a countervailing force against China.

· As a milkman to sustain US economy.

· Compete with Chinese economic progress.

· Stabilize regional disputes with limited force projection capability.

Lets see what are India’s geopolitical and geostrategic strengths and weaknesses:

India cannot laterally expand its influence beyond its western borders due the existence of geo-political impediments in addition to the geographical restrictions placed by the presence of Pakistan, unless Pakistan allows it to do so.

Expansion of its influence towards the east is impeded due to the large geographical lay of China.

Myanmar can provide India with limited ability to expand towards South East Asia. Chinese influence in Myanmar has increased manifold and may limit future Indian endeavours.

Therefore the only direction it may be able to expand its influence is towards the vast expanse of sea in the south. The US also supports India’s increasing influence in IOR, but only as a second fiddle.

However even in the seas surrounding India, she is losing its influence amongst the island nations that surround India. Sri Lanka is a very important geostrategic and geopolitical player in this region and because of India’s Big Power syndrome along with unacceptable interference in Sri Lanka’s Tamil affairs, it has completely lost its support. So has been the case with Maldives.

India may be able to enhance her economic prowess and may be able to generate a bit of economic influence in all those countries which are its trading partners and may also be able to exercise a bit of negativity against Pakistan, China and Sri Lanka in this domain. However, India’s over 600 million poor and its poor infrastructure including the absence of industrial capacity and sustenance on services would be a big drain on India becoming an economic power house.

And it’s overall power projection and generation of influence in the key regions would still remain limited unless it drastically improves relations with both Sri Lanka, Pakistan and China.



Therefore, India’s concerns may not find due importance in places of import. This is so because India’s importance has diminished considerably due to her weakness at geopolitical and geostrategic levels. Very few listen to India in the region. I wonder who listens to India at international level and that is why Indians run to the Americans and seek their help to exert pressure on Pakistan and some others so that India’s concerns may find a listener.

No one earlier replied you before because this is not related to this thread, what are you trying to prove by these things?

 

[PlanetWarrior]

It really surprises me a great deal when the Indians think of themselves as a powerful nation in the region and that all the countries surrounding India are somehow subservient to Indian desires. It should be clear to the Indians that the current Republic of India is not what British India or Muslim India or even Mauryan rule once were.

I posted this earlier as well – let me post it again.

Lets see what can India do at geopolitical and geostrategic level:

· India can act as a countervailing force against China.

· As a milkman to sustain US economy.

· Compete with Chinese economic progress.

· Stabilize regional disputes with limited force projection capability.

Lets see what are India’s geopolitical and geostrategic strengths and weaknesses:

India cannot laterally expand its influence beyond its western borders due the existence of geo-political impediments in addition to the geographical restrictions placed by the presence of Pakistan, unless Pakistan allows it to do so.

Expansion of its influence towards the east is impeded due to the large geographical lay of China.

Myanmar can provide India with limited ability to expand towards South East Asia. Chinese influence in Myanmar has increased manifold and may limit future Indian endeavours.

Therefore the only direction it may be able to expand its influence is towards the vast expanse of sea in the south. The US also supports India’s increasing influence in IOR, but only as a second fiddle.

However even in the seas surrounding India, she is losing its influence amongst the island nations that surround India. Sri Lanka is a very important geostrategic and geopolitical player in this region and because of India’s Big Power syndrome along with unacceptable interference in Sri Lanka’s Tamil affairs, it has completely lost its support. So has been the case with Maldives.

India may be able to enhance her economic prowess and may be able to generate a bit of economic influence in all those countries which are its trading partners and may also be able to exercise a bit of negativity against Pakistan, China and Sri Lanka in this domain. However, India’s over 600 million poor and its poor infrastructure including the absence of industrial capacity and sustenance on services would be a big drain on India becoming an economic power house.

And it’s overall power projection and generation of influence in the key regions would still remain limited unless it drastically improves relations with both Sri Lanka, Pakistan and China.



Therefore, India’s concerns may not find due importance in places of import. This is so because India’s importance has diminished considerably due to her weakness at geopolitical and geostrategic levels. Very few listen to India in the region. I wonder who listens to India at international level and that is why Indians run to the Americans and seek their help to exert pressure on Pakistan and some others so that India’s concerns may find a listener.

Isn't the reverse applicable when it comes to the highlighted part of your post above?

 

[Nassr]

Show me the quote. Kafila is a blog(Trust me on that, check their About, they accept it as well). What they say is NOT news, but views. Besides, such an explosive admission by a named senior officer is big news. Post references.

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When Admiral Lakshminarayan Ramdas (retd), former chief of the Indian navy, tried to say on Barkha Dutt’s show on NDTV that the Indian army has also beheaded Pakistani soldiers, he was cut short by Dutt. But in 2001, Dutt had herself written that she had seen a head displayed as a war trophy by the Indian army during the Kargil war in 1999. Two other journalists were not shy of recalling similar experiences: Sankarshan Thakur of The Telegraph (on his website) and Harinder Baweja of the Hindustan Times on Twitter.

www.outlookindia.com | Cheap Logomachy 

Indians don't do such stupid things like beheading a HUMAN being to please god

No one earlier replied you before because this is not related to this thread, what are you trying to prove by these things?

The topic says that India is ready to give benefit of doubt to Pakistan. India is in no position to do anything of this sort and I posted my analysis in this regard.This is relevant. 

Isn't the reverse applicable when it comes to the highlighted part of your post above?

No it is not as Pakistan is in much stronger within the ambiance of existing geopolitical environment as compared to India.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

No it is not as Pakistan is in much stronger within the ambiance of existing geopolitical environment as compared to India.

True to a larger extent but can the same be said when it comes to diplomatic relations with the USA ?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

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When Admiral Lakshminarayan Ramdas (retd), former chief of the Indian navy, tried to say on Barkha Dutt’s show on NDTV that the Indian army has also beheaded Pakistani soldiers, he was cut short by Dutt. But in 2001, Dutt had herself written that she had seen a head displayed as a war trophy by the Indian army during the Kargil war in 1999. Two other journalists were not shy of recalling similar experiences: Sankarshan Thakur of The Telegraph (on his website) and Harinder Baweja of the Hindustan Times on Twitter.

www.outlookindia.com | Cheap Logomachy 


The topic says that India is ready to give benefit of doubt to Pakistan. India is in no position to do anything of this sort and I posted my analysis in this regard.This is relevant. 


No it is not as Pakistan is in much stronger within the ambiance of existing geopolitical environment as compared to India.

There is a huge difference between actions committed in wartime and in times when there's a friggin' ceasefire in place. Besides the term 'war crime' itself is very funny. As if there can be wars without crime.
In a war, forget heads, legs, hands and even torsos get separated. But going out on a trip across the LOC while a ceasefire is in force only to behead men for the purpose of beheading is beyond disgusting.

 

[Nassr]

True to a larger extent but can the same be said when it comes to diplomatic relations with the USA ?

We are discussing India here. The context of relations with different countries is based on national interests as they encompass such bilateral relations. . 

There is a huge difference between actions committed in wartime and in times when there's a friggin' ceasefire in place. Besides the term 'war crime' itself is very funny. As if there can be wars without crime.
In a war, forget heads, legs, hands and even torsos get separated. But going out on a trip across the LOC while a ceasefire is in force only to behead men for the purpose of beheading is beyond disgusting.

Indian army attacked a village across the LOC in 1999 and beheaded women and old men and took their heads as trophy. These aspects have been discussed on this forum before as well and can be referred to with appropriate links. Please move on.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

We are discussing India here. The context of relations with different countries is based on national interests as they encompass such bilateral relations. . 


Indian army attacked a village across the LOC in 1999 and beheaded women and old men and took their heads as trophy. These aspects have been discussed on this forum before as well and can be referred to with appropriate links. Please move on.

Yes, just like Indians killed 6 million Jews. Right?

 

[PlanetWarrior]

We are discussing India here. The context of relations with different countries is based on national interests as they encompass such bilateral relations. .

Indeed. And from my little knowledge of international relations, I would say that Pakistan does hold a wider sphere when it comes to the US's national interests as compared to India. India doesn't sway to the demands of the USA. India pursues a more independent foreign policy (BRICS etc) without giving much thought to Uncle Sam. The list is endless. Pakistan on the other hand is little more than a satellite state of the USA. A fair demonstration of this is the blessing given to the USA by the establishment to conduct drone strikes in its territories thus handing over its sovereignty to the hands of the Pentagon. If the Indian establishment ever tried something as brazen as that , you can be rest assured that India will fragment into multiple states. Now wouldn't that demonstrate which nation is closer to the USA when it comes to Uncle Sam's national interests ?

 

[Nassr]

Yes, just like Indians killed 6 million Jews. Right?

I don't know - you tell me.