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With the expected launch of The People’s Liberation Army (Navy)’s second aircraft carrier on April 23, China will match India in carrier numbers reports Ajai Shukla.
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IMAGE: The new Shandong aircraft carrier will be categorised as a Type 001A carrier, while its predecessor the Liaoning is termed a Type 001 carrier. Photograph: Reuters

Five years ago, India had two aircraft carriers and China had none. Now, perhaps as early as this month, the People’s Liberation Army (Navy) will match India in carrier numbers.

With INS Viraat decommissioned last month, the Indian Navy has just a single carrier, the Russian-built INS Vikramaditya. The PLA(N) too operates a single carrier, the Liaoning, bought from Russia and refurbished in Dalian, China.

However, at an alarming speed, another Chinese carrier is coming on stream. Naval analysts believe that, on April 23 -- the PLA(N)’s 68th anniversary -- its second carrier will be officially launched.

China’s English language media, including People’s Daily, quoted China’s defence ministry spokesperson Wu Qian as stating on Thursday that a date for the launch would be soon announced, which “won’t keep the public waiting for too long”.

The new carrier is being named Shandong. While the Liaoning is termed a Type 001 carrier, the Shandong will be categorised Type 001A.

After the Shandong’s launch, says China’s defence ministry, it would still have to undergo one-two years of outfitting (of weapons, radars, instruments, etc) and another year of sea trials before joining the PLA(N)’s operational fleet in 2020.

Meanwhile, India’s second carrier, INS Vikrant, being fabricated at Cochin Shipyard Ltd, has fallen eight years behind schedule. Originally to be delivered in 2015, it is now expected to be fully operational only in 2023, years after China’s second carrier joins the PLA(N) fleet. Worryingly, the Indian Navy plans to commission a partly operational Vikrant by end-2018, without its “aviation complex” (flight operations control) or LR-SAM anti-ship missiles. That means for some time, maybe years, the Vikrant would lack both strike and defensive capability.

Further, a Comptroller and Auditor General report revealed last year that the MiG-29 fighter was “riddled with problems” and that serviceability rates were just 15-35 per cent.

While the Vikrant would have taken 14 years to build from the time its keel was laid in 2009, the Shandong would have taken barely half that time, assuming construction commenced soon after 2012, when the Liaoning finally vacated her berth at the Dalian shipyard.

India, however, does enjoy superiority in its existing carrier. INS Vikramaditya, a 40,000-tonne carrier that embarks 36 aircraft, including 26 MiG-29 fighters, is a battle-ready platform. The Liaoning, displacing 55,000-60,000 tonne, is termed by Beijing as a “training and research vessel” and is not yet assigned to a PLA(N) operational fleet. Even so, it carries a full compliment of 36 fixed wing and rotary wing aircraft, including 24 Shenyang J-15 (modelled on the Sukhoi-33) fighters; and ten helicopters, including the Changshe Z-18, Kamov-31 and Harbin Z-9. Last November, her political commissar declared the Liaoning was “combat ready”.

The experience of renovating and operating the Liaoning is evident in Shandong’s design. Displacing 65,000 tonnes, it features a ski-jump launch system similar to the Liaoning (as do the Vikramaditya and Vikrant). However, China’s defence ministry says it “will have more cargo room, more sophisticated radar, more advanced weapons systems and more reliable engines than the Liaoning.”

Like India, China plans to build future carriers with a catapult launch system rather than a ski-jump, which restricts the payload aircraft can take off with. Since they carry less weapons and fuel, fighters operating off a ski-jump carrier have shorter flight ranges and lesser punch.

The PLA(N) carrier that follows Shandong, called the Type 002, would overcome these drawbacks with a catapult launch system. A catapult accelerates aircraft to a higher take-off speed, allowing greater payload and faster launches. It is not clear when the Type 002 would be built, or if it would be nuclear powered.

India’s third carrier, INS Vishal, however, is being planned as a technologically cutting-edge warship with American design features. Like the Type 002, it will have a catapult launch system that equips all US Navy carriers. As Business Standard reported (November 7, 2016 Navy’s second home-built carrier will be nuclear but will come only in 2030s) Vishal will feature nuclear propulsion, an “electromagnetic aircraft launch system” (EMALS) and the capacity to embark at least 55 aircraft. It will be built in India and will join the fleet by 2030-35.

Chinese naval strategists say the PLA(N) will eventually operate five -six carriers, with two deployed at all times in the Western Pacific and two in the Indian Ocean. Indian naval planners plan on three carriers -- one each based in the eastern and western coasts with a third in reserve for maintenance and repairs.

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/india-loses-its-edge-over-chinas-navy/20170402.htm
 
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Meanwhile in Pakistan....


We don't have an Aircraft carrier....
 
Good step for China.

I think this is a warning sign that we need to speed up the INS Vishal's development.
 
India should not feel nervous. These carriers are not targeting India, not targeting US either.
Primary goal is to protect oversea interest in Africa, Latin America, Middle East etc. When you have a strong Navy, potential bandits will hesitate to rob or destroy China's investments, trade routes. If India compete with China on ship building, you're in a trap of arm racing you will never win. India should focus on its internal issues, which look like a magazine to be exploded.
 
The result will be the same as Malaysia Palestine and East Turkestan.

They never thought much about Han and Jewish immigrants or invaders intruding in to their lands.

Resulting in copycat chicoms imposing their heinous viral diseased vision on East Turkestan, resulting in fissure of Malaysia to the creation of independent Singapore, the presence of a much larger (percentage wise) non-Muslim Chinese citizenry in Malaysia (25%) than Muslim presence in China (2%, including those lands annexed by invader Hans).

And that's not all.

Now China has interfered in Malaysia's internal affairs. Look up its ambassador to Malaysia and how its shameless boast of non-interference has gone down the toilet.

Search for "Huang Huikang interference in Malaysia's domestic affairs



US has military bases in Germany and UK.....

you need friends in todays world...we should not be delusional
 
1. Germany was utterly defeated and humiliated in two world wars. Occupation of Germany is just a consequence.

2. UK and USA are blood brothers despite UK ruling USA for quite some time. In fact, France helped US gain independence.

You don't hear of US troops raping British girls in Britain but you hear that in Philippines, Korea, Japan. Says a lot.

UK and USA are the closest cultural, religious, linguistic and even to some extent genetic allies because of these reasons. They have supported each other in all world wars, cold war, invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, invasion of North Korea, and anywhere else you can think of.

As you have seen with China's ban of Muslim beard and veil/hijab, those commies are no lovers of Islam.

And their talk of non-interference is eyewash as their ambassador Huang Huikang has interfered in domestic affairs of Malaysia, even threatening it. Let's not even talk about encroaching into Brunei's territorial waters and Malaysia/Indonesia's waters with their ridiculous nine dash lines.

Beware what you wish for. You may wish for a Singapore in Gwadar (meaning prosperity, order, discipline, clean, green) but what you may get another form of Singapore in Gwadar (meaning anti-Muslim, created out of home territory of Pakistan like in case of Singapore created from Malaysia, known as Israel of the East, heavily restricting Muslim immigration as a matter of policy but favouring non Muslim Indians filipinos Chinese, banning Muslim enrolment in military beyond a certain threshold, their Muslims remain the least educated, least healthy, most poor, most drug addicted and their Malay girls are mostly prostitutes who serve Chinese and European men).

Is this what you want in your Pakistan?

Be ware what you wish for. You had an alliance with US you wish you never had.

China with its much bigger population and closer geographic location may prove harder to dislodge if you don't take independent stance.


How is the weather in Langley?
 
1. Germany was utterly defeated and humiliated in two world wars. Occupation of Germany is just a consequence.

2. UK and USA are blood brothers despite UK ruling USA for quite some time. In fact, France helped US gain independence.

You don't hear of US troops raping British girls in Britain but you hear that in Philippines, Korea, Japan. Says a lot.

UK and USA are the closest cultural, religious, linguistic and even to some extent genetic allies because of these reasons. They have supported each other in all world wars, cold war, invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, invasion of North Korea, and anywhere else you can think of.

As you have seen with China's ban of Muslim beard and veil/hijab, those commies are no lovers of Islam.

And their talk of non-interference is eyewash as their ambassador Huang Huikang has interfered in domestic affairs of Malaysia, even threatening it. Let's not even talk about encroaching into Brunei's territorial waters and Malaysia/Indonesia's waters with their ridiculous nine dash lines.

Beware what you wish for. You may wish for a Singapore in Gwadar (meaning prosperity, order, discipline, clean, green) but what you may get another form of Singapore in Gwadar (meaning anti-Muslim, created out of home territory of Pakistan like in case of Singapore created from Malaysia, known as Israel of the East, heavily restricting Muslim immigration as a matter of policy but favouring non Muslim Indians filipinos Chinese, banning Muslim enrolment in military beyond a certain threshold, their Muslims remain the least educated, least healthy, most poor, most drug addicted and their Malay girls are mostly prostitutes who serve Chinese and European men).

Is this what you want in your Pakistan?

Be ware what you wish for. You had an alliance with US you wish you never had.

China with its much bigger population and closer geographic location may prove harder to dislodge if you don't take independent stance.




Singapore was created by british not Chinese... thanks for advice...but frankly Chinese are not back stabbing as west is
 
Singapore gained independence in 1965 after it split from Malaysia. Want to check your facts again?


Sure


Stamford Raffles founded colonial Singapore in 1819 as a trading post of the East India Company; after the establishment of the British Raj, the islands were ceded to Britain and became part of its Straits Settlements in 1826. During the Second World War, Singapore was occupied by Japan. It gained independence from the UK in 1963 by federating with other former British territories to form Malays
 
http://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/langley/sl3-8/weather-forecast/712413

The forecasts are very frequently inaccurate. Clear now, sunny and cloudy in patches tomorrow and day after.

Good!

How would you evaluate the Charlie Hebdo and Bataclan operations?

Anyway, KL expected SG to contribute at least 40% of the federal budget, although SG comprised only 17% of the total population. I'm sure a vassal character such as you would comply, if Washington demanded.

Well, de Gaulle would be very proud of you!
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