India Kashmir vs Pakistan Kashmir

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Ab mera itna ganda taste bhi nahi hey :-//

Take one for the team..

 

[django]

Sheikh abdullah a kashmiri and ex cm claims to have hindu ancenstry.

But its not about that its about prevailing of oppurtunity. A kashmiri muslim from India has more oppurtunity. And why would any one shout and have trouble if a girl from Kashmir can come and become actress when Pakistani actress and actors are allowed by Pakistan to visit bollywood to eafn money.

Its a lucerative industry. Secondly why should kashmiris remain confined in Kashmir and become subject of Proxy war initiated by Pakistan to get strategic heights and water? And eventuelly become victims of cross fire and mistaken identity due to counter terrorism operation by Indian soldiers. Collateral damage is there no one denies but India has tried to use maximum care and minimum damage. But terrorist sent by Pakistan dont even care about that. What kind of freedom fight is this?

There would be ongoing political scenarios to come in power by hurriyat who has taken money from India and Pakistan and none pf their children are in subcontinent but in the west.

They should also come out and see the world and enjoy the economy growth. I have known many Kashmiris who want to get rid of this block of freedom and once they are outside Kashmir they realize that they had ample of oppurtunity at their disposal which even Pakistan cannot avail them.

You do not have even the faintest idea of what freedom means to folks!

 

[Samurai_assassin]

Sheikh abdullah a kashmiri and ex cm claims to have hindu ancenstry.

But its not about that its about prevailing of oppurtunity. A kashmiri muslim from India has more oppurtunity. And why would any one shout and have trouble if a girl from Kashmir can come and become actress when Pakistani actress and actors are allowed by Pakistan to visit bollywood to eafn money.

Its a lucerative industry. Secondly why should kashmiris remain confined in Kashmir and become subject of Proxy war initiated by Pakistan to get strategic heights and water? And eventuelly become victims of cross fire and mistaken identity due to terrorism by Indian soldiers. Collateral damage is there no one denies but India has tried to use maximum care and minimum damage. There would be ongoing political scenarios to come in power by hurriyat who has taken money from India and Pakistan and none pf their children are in subcontinent but in the west.

They should also come out and see the world and enjoy the economy growth. I have known many Kashmiris who want to get rid of this block of freedom and once they are outside Kashmir they realize that they had ample of oppurtunity at their disposal which even Pakistan cannot avail them.

Hindu ancestry? It's about today 2017 not 617

Source is Wikipedia ok :-//
You need something stronger than that to convince someone from AJK
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Difference between Occupied and Azad Kashmir
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/...-indian-independence-day-160815175026098.html
Vs

https://defence.pk/threads/ajk-begins-preparations-to-celebrate-independence-day-of-pakistan.443888/

UK has tens of thousands of people from AJK and I've never come across one yet that hasn't said they come from Pakistan.

 

[Orakzai]

I know Bro.
When both sides were hit with earthquake, whole Pakistan chipped in to support Kashmiries that even hampered the defence procurement. While as on our side they distributed only blankets.
They can hoodwink the world but not us Kashmiries.

I remember those days when Kashmir was hit by an earthquake, there was 100's of donation collection centers in my city Peshawar alone.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

First of all it is fallacious to assume that "occupied" Kashmir is a province of Pakistan, legally it is not, I'll explain why. My observation is that India has treated Kashmir with far better than Pakistan.

I'll try to cover as many dimensions as possible. Any omission is not out of an intent to distort information but out of ignorance. Please bring it to attention and it shall be added/amended.

Territory:India: Recognizes the whole original territory of the princely state of Jammu and Kashmir as a part of Kashmir. All of that territory under Indian control is administered by the Jammu and Kashmir government.

Pakistan: Administers its area of control as two separate states Azad Kashmir (13,297 km sq) and Gilgit-Baltistan (72,971 km sq). In 1963 it gave the Trans-Karakoram track (5,181 km sq) to China under the Sino-Pakistan Agreement.

Governance:
India: India legally views Kashmir as a state in it's Union where it enjoys special autonomy and has its own official flag and constitution. The first government of Jammu and Kashmir was an emergency government with of Sheikh Abdullah as the Prime Minister.[1] It was formed on 30 October 1947. The first free democratic elections were held in the state in 1951. [2] In August 1953 Sheikh Abdullah was dismissed from his post and then prosecuted and jailed for on charges of conspiracy. [3]

The constitution of Kashmir was drafted by a body of elected members came into force on 26 January 1957. [4] In 1965, it was amended, and the offices of prime minister and president were renamed chief minister and governor respectively. [5] There have been several allegations of vote rigging in the past. Some instances have been notable such as the Assembly elections of 1987 that sparked insurgency. [6] However recent elections have been relatively untainted and the assembly elections of 2014 saw record turnout which may be seen as a sign of returning voter confidence. [7]

Jammu and Kashmir has a bicameral legislature with Legislative Assemblyand Legislative Council. It must be noted however that the Union Government of India has no representation in either and does not nominate any members. So Kashmiris have effective control of all aspects of their governance other than Defence, Foreign Affairs, Communication. This is legally guaranteed by the Article 370 of Indian constitution. [8] More importantly, the state of Jammu and Kashmir sends representatives to the parliament of India that thus they have a stake in the running of the country. The J&K assembly also has 25 seats which always remain vacant because they are reserved for representatives from "Pakistan-occupied" Kashmir. [9]

Pakistan: Pakistan considers the whole of Jammu and Kashmir state as disputed territory so it's legal status is confusing. Article 257 of the Pakistani constitution says that the relationship of J&K with Pakistan can be only formalized if the former joins Pakistan. [10] So technically the fundamental human rights of Kashmirs there are not guaranteed as they are not citizens. Here it is also important to separate Azad Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan as there is vast differences in their governance.

Azad Kashmir
Azad Kashmir is categorized as an "autonomous" region but the term is misleading. [12] The practical functioning of the autonomous Azad Kashmir is dictated by the Interim Constitution Act 1974. [13] This act, however, was drafted by the Pakistani Government. The act provides the basic structures for a self governing state but that is illusory as the Pakistani government can dismiss the AJK government irrespective of the support it may enjoy in the AJK Legislative Assembly.

Also it creates two centres of power the Azad Kashmir Government in Muzaffarabad and the Azad Kashmir Council in Islamabad. The Prime Minister of Pakistan is the head of the Kashmir Council and this council, not the Government of AJK, is in true control of AJK and it maintains a firm grip on AJK. [13]

The first democratic elections in AJK were held in 1970. Before that the "state" was run by a war council and later by certain other representative systems. The Government of Pakistan also maintains a direct control of Defence, Security, Foreign Affairs and Foreign Trade, Currency and Coins. [14] People from AJK have no elected representative in the Pakistani parliament.

Gilgit-Baltistan
Before August 2009 the area of Gilgil-Baltistan was treated as a de factodependent territory. As a federally administered territory it was directly controlled by Northern Area Council headed by Pakistan's Minister for Kashmir Affairs. [15] Post 2009 it has a de facto "autonomous" province-like status but it is not a province of Pakistan. It currently has a Chief Minister and Governer. [16]

However as is the case with AJK this region is also in firm control of the Federal Government of Pakistan. The Gilgit-Baltistan Council is the effective power in the state and it too is headed by the Prime Minister of Pakistan. And similar to AJK Council out of the 12 member of the council six are nominated by the Pakistani Prime Minister. [17]

Economy:
While the economic figures on the Indian side of the LoC are easy to come by there aren't any official economic data on the west of the border. In absence of thereof the best we have are estimated figures from unbiased sources. All the data in this section are from this report. Note that I could not find data on Gilgit-Baltistan.

Indian J&K
GDP: $15.2 billion
Population: 12,548,925
Total Deposits: $8.8 billion
Total Loans: $3.03 billion

Pakistani AJK
GDP : $3.2 billion
Population: 4,000,000 (estimated)
Total Deposits: $3.6 billion
Total Loans: $97.3 million [Typographic error? More likely 0.973 billion]

I shall refrain from making comments as economics is hardly my subject so I provided the figures please draw your own conclusions.

Human Development Index:
Again, as with the Economic figures data is hard to come by for Pakistani Kashmir.

Indian J&K
HDI: 0.529 [18]
All India: 0.586

Pakistani AJK and Gilgit-Baltistan
HDI: Unknown
All Pakistan: 0.537 [19]

I think this point needs to be stressed. Even though India, and Jammu and Kashmir fare pretty badly on the HDI scale the thing is, on the Pakistan side of the LOC it is very difficult to find any human development data at all. This raises a big question on the quality and intent of governance in that region. Also worth noting is that even though below the national average the HDI of J&K is above 13 other Indian states.

Both sides have had a pretty bad track record with human rights issues but this answer is already very long.

both sides may have bad human right records but when it comes to kashmir indians are the member of elite club to which Hitler and halaku khan belonged to.

About economy. Azad kashmir don't have a single check point inside kashmir but in IOK no one can get out of home and go back without being blinded.

Mass graves, 500k missing people, thousand blinded, regular curfews are regular part of IOK life.

Now about your answer which will be balochistan. Not even 50 people ever come to roads demanding independence. meanwhile in IOK 200k people under curfew were present in burhan wani funeral prayer.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Hindu ancestry? It's about today 2017 not 617

UK has tens of thousands of people from AJK and I've never come across one yet that hasn't said they come from Pakistan.

Bhai log... i dont know about UK.. but Kashmir makes like 5% of our population and provides 10% soldiers to the military

 

[foxtrot1]

Hindu ancestry? It's about today 2017 not 617

stop concentrating on Hindu ancestry and read what I have written in next 3 paragraphs.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I remember those days when Kashmir was hit by an earthquake, there was 100's of donation collection centers in my city Peshawar alone.

2005 showed us real Pakistaniat.. donation centers in every street.. people,expats,4X4 Clubs,army everybody donating even their salaries... and going to earthquake hit areas for relief activities.

 

[Zibago]

Sheikh abdullah a kashmiri and ex cm claims to have hindu ancenstry.

But its not about that its about prevailing of oppurtunity. A kashmiri muslim from India has more oppurtunity. And why would any one shout and have trouble if a girl from Kashmir can come and become actress when Pakistani actress and actors are allowed by Pakistan to visit bollywood to eafn money.

Its a lucerative industry. Secondly why should kashmiris remain confined in Kashmir and become subject of Proxy war initiated by Pakistan to get strategic heights and water? And eventuelly become victims of cross fire and mistaken identity due to counter terrorism operation by Indian soldiers. Collateral damage is there no one denies but India has tried to use maximum care and minimum damage. But terrorist sent by Pakistan dont even care about that. What kind of freedom fight is this?

There would be ongoing political scenarios to come in power by hurriyat who has taken money from India and Pakistan and none pf their children are in subcontinent but in the west.

They should also come out and see the world and enjoy the economy growth. I have known many Kashmiris who want to get rid of this block of freedom and once they are outside Kashmir they realize that they had ample of oppurtunity at their disposal which even Pakistan cannot avail them.

Sheikh abdullah a kashmiri and ex cm claims to have hindu ancenstry.

But its not about that its about prevailing of oppurtunity. A kashmiri muslim from India has more oppurtunity. And why would any one shout and have trouble if a girl from Kashmir can come and become actress when Pakistani actress and actors are allowed by Pakistan to visit bollywood to eafn money.

Its a lucerative industry. Secondly why should kashmiris remain confined in Kashmir and become subject of Proxy war initiated by Pakistan to get strategic heights and water? And eventuelly become victims of cross fire and mistaken identity due to counter terrorism operation by Indian soldiers. Collateral damage is there no one denies but India has tried to use maximum care and minimum damage. But terrorist sent by Pakistan dont even care about that. What kind of freedom fight is this?

There would be ongoing political scenarios to come in power by hurriyat who has taken money from India and Pakistan and none pf their children are in subcontinent but in the west.

They should also come out and see the world and enjoy the economy growth. I have known many Kashmiris who want to get rid of this block of freedom and once they are outside Kashmir they realize that they had ample of oppurtunity at their disposal which even Pakistan cannot avail them.

So what even Allama Iqbal had Hindu ancestry but that means nothing

Oh yes Kashmiris have grand opportunities in Iok they can die from pellets or Bullets

India observes maximum care haha tell that to Pushanpura victims

Why should Kashmiris leave their lands that Is occupied by a foreign force?
Its the foreign force that should leaves

 

[foxtrot1]

You do not have even the faintest idea of what freedom means to folks!

India is the country which recognizes it's freedom fighters our elders have fought for freedom from British and Invaders. We know more than a Pakistani what freedom means. I can badly insult you if this debate starts but on forum it is not required because this is something discussed among audience. I just want to say we are really sorry that we couldn't protect you people from invaders.

 

[Zibago]

Take one for the team..

Hazara-Muzzafarabad side ki pali pali bachiyan chor kar ?yar dost ho ya dushman :-//

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Hazara-Muzzafarabad side ki pali pali bachiyan chor kar ?yar dost ho ya dushman :-//

 

[Orakzai]

2005 showed us real Pakistaniat.. donation centers in every street.. people,expats,4X4 Clubs,army everybody donating even their salaries... and going to earthquake hit areas for relief activities.

I saw little kids in school uniforms bring in money to the donation centers. Earthquake was a sad incident but the way whole country reacted to help brothers in Kashmir, that was examplery.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_abuses_in_Azad_Kashmir

a single doctor kidnapped and election frauds claims by losing party which are led by PPP who want to take all kashmir from you is mass human right violations.

First solve the case of all women of a village raped by indian army in IOK from 90s.

 

[foxtrot1]

So what even Allama Iqbal had Hindu ancestry but that means nothing

Oh yes Kashmiris have grand opportunities in Iok they can die from pellets or Bullets

India observes maximum care haha tell that to Pushanpura victims

Why should Kashmiris leave their lands that Is occupied by a foreign force?
Its the foreign force that should leaves

If you have any problem then follow the UN resolution

condition number 1. :for plebiscite: Pakistan will remove all regulars and irregulars and bring back demographic change in the occupied Kashmir of Pakistan.

condition 2: Indian will retake all territory and reduce the military

come let's do it, we are ready.

I saw little kids in school uniforms bring in money to the donation centers. Earthquake was a sad incident but the way whole country reacted to help brothers in Kashmir, that was examplery.

there is a saying daan kar or punya kama aur dhindhora na peet.