Taking over Pakistan controlled Kashmir is war with China and Pakistan

[SIPRA]

Now you can argue if Pakistan is important enough for china to intervene or not. But don't come out with genius statements like this

I would go further than that. Let us assume that China has none of it's national interest, associated with Pakistan, nor have they any sympathy with it; even then, why would they allow their arch rival to gain a military advantage, right in their immediate vicinity. I am almost certain that as soon as India attacks AJK; China's attack, at least on Ladakh, would be within no time.

 

[Olympus81]

India taking Azad Kashmir would be next to impossible.

There are other factors such as the population of IoK not very hospitable to Indian army. If at war, their resources are stretched thin, the situation in IoK can heat up.

Secondly, land route from India to IoK are somewhat a bottleneck, so there are some weaknesses where Pakistan can exploit.

Thirdly, as mentioned by others, the terrain is a killer. The odds are heavily stacked against the offensive army.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

I would go further than that. Let us assume that China has none of it's national interest, associated with Pakistan, nor have they any sympathy with it; even then, why would they allow their arch rival to gain a military advantage, right in their immediate vicinity. I am almost certain that as soon as India attacks AJK; China's attack, at least on Ladakh, would be within no time.

It will drag to USA and others in this WAR... It will not be limited to only India, Pakistan and CHina..

There will be destruction in all three countries and beneficial will be only West and USA............... Definitely, Not China and Pakistan or India.

I am 200% confident that china will never get involved in such madness for anyone.

 

[El Sidd]

Kashmir mean... Pak kashmir and GB, and Chinese part and india part.... Right?

These are the trilateral issue between all three countries. .

Well, personally I believe that issue has solved a long ago..... It is like beating a dead horse again and again .... Nothing will be changed in the future

India's unilateral decisions in occupied territories are endangering the region.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

India's unilateral decisions in occupied territories are endangering the region.

Actually, occupied by all three countries (Pakistan, China and India)...

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiri people only....

Chinese are not Muslims if you are not pointing guns at them then why only India?? Since the Chinese occupied the Kashmir part and Pakistan is not resistance again then Religious things do not get applied.

 

[waz]

India will certainly try to reclaim lost kashmir at right time when it has all means and majority support from big 5s...India may not have the means today but if u see its economic strength is growing year after year so mobilizing the required resources and create the means in future might not be the impossible task

The big powers will tell you to shut up and sit down, especially your new buddy Uncle Sam. They want Pakistan for many reasons.

 

[Areesh]

What do you mean, Controlled? It does mean that the Chinese already occupied that Pakistan's parts before the agreement?

Yes. It means exactly what you understood. The fact is Pakisan got land and didn't give anything to anyone as Indians normally propogate

Only Kashmiri rulers were used to control it.

Kashmiri rulers control was based on claims without any legal agreements. Mir of hunza had claim on Shaksgam valley because his animals used to graze it. Pakistan had no physical presence in that area. No outposts or even population. In comparison to that Pakistan got populated areas of now Gojal district. So stop peddling the lie that Pakistan gave land to anyone

 

[ThunderCat]

China attacked and removed Indian army posts along the borders, gave an ultimatium saying China would go to war with India if it didnt back down, tried to squeeze India so that it had to consider two fronts wars and end up like 1962 war.

According to an article from a late uncle of mine, he claimed to have talked to someone who had conversed with a Chinese embassy official in London around that time that Pakistan just missed the opportunity to take/liberate the rest of Kashmir from India.

It was the best opportunity. I guess Pakistanis know how to show restraint but others don't.

 

[TheSolution]

According to an article from a late uncle of mine, he claimed to have talked to someone who had conversed with a Chinese embassy official in London around that time that Pakistan just missed the opportunity to take/liberate the rest of Kashmir from India.

It was the best opportunity. I guess Pakistanis know how to show restraint but others don't.

That's not called showing restraint, it's called being a passive, weak and pathetic people.

 

[Sayfullah]

please move off your wooden high horse. you are too old for that joke.
China at best has only fought using clubs and stones with India.

nuclear weapons are not fire crackers you pull out on every confrontation, and Chinese are not going to fight for Pakistan,

only Pakistan military is preventing India from a mass AJK invasion.

It would be foolish to think india can capture AJK through an invasion only.
India has been slowly capturing AJK through its hybrid warfare. Whether it’s through propaganda or funding separatist groups, india has been slowly capturing AJK. It’s smart enough to know it won’t get AJK militarily right away so it’s taking baby steps and capturing AJK inch by inch through its hybrid means.
China even if it interferes in a war on our behalf it will not fight out of love for us, it will have such demands that we’ll end up paying 10x with interest.

 

[ThunderCat]

The big powers will tell you to shut up and sit down, especially your new buddy Uncle Sam. They want Pakistan for many reasons.

Not anymore. They're done with us. Uncle Sam abandoned Pakistan time and again. They have more interest in India to keep China at bay.

BUT they might need Pakistan's co-operation against Iran. The military & ISI are no friends of Iran because of it's ties to India and Shia and maybe Baloch insurgents, not to mention in Afghanistan.

They ain't no friends of Pakistan that's for sure.

That's not called showing restraint, it's called being a passive, weak and pathetic people.

I think there was honor. One on one fight is fair enough. Only if they attacked both countries, then gallop.

 

[etylo]

It would be foolish to think india can capture AJK through an invasion only.
India has been slowly capturing AJK through its hybrid warfare. Whether it’s through propaganda or funding separatist groups, india has been slowly capturing AJK. It’s smart enough to know it won’t get AJK militarily right away so it’s taking baby steps and capturing AJK inch by inch through its hybrid means.
China even if it interferes in a war on our behalf it will not fight out of love for us, it will have such demands that we’ll end up paying 10x with interest.

If you think that China is so greedy and evil that it will demand payments in tenfold, then by all means, stop any collarboration with China.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Yes. It means exactly what you understood. The fact is Pakisan got land and didn't give anything to anyone as Indians normally propogate

Kashmiri rulers control was based on claims without any legal agreements. Mir of hunza had claim on Shaksgam valley because his animals used to graze it. Pakistan had no physical presence in that area. No outposts or even population. In comparison to that Pakistan got populated areas of now Gojal district. So stop peddling the lie that Pakistan gave land to anyone

Ohh, Man! Till 1949, there was no Chinese present in those areas and which were under the control of British India as part of Jammu and Kashmir (Northern Areas).

Chinese entered those areas after only the communist revolution in 1949 including Aksai Chin. But before, UN resolution was passed for the entire Jammu and Kashmir which is currently parts shared by all three countries.

INDIA
1962, we had the war for the same reason because the Chinese already entered Northern areas (Aksai Chin) and started developing roads and other infrastructure. But Since it is part of J & K, we had a war with the Chinese but lost it, unfortunately.

Now, It didn't mean that Aksai Chin is not part of Jammu and Kashmir if it is occupied by chinese.

PAKISTAN

1. Pakistan used to claim the entire region including Aksai Chin and Trans-Karakoram Trac till before the agreement with china because the entire region come within Jammu and Kashmir.

2. Even Ayub Khan sent a formal note to China for Chinese maps showing the Northern Pakistan part of areas in Chinese in 1961.

Now things actually changed in your textbooks from here after the agreement you made with China.

Pakistan withdraws the claim from Chinese Aksai Chin and Trans-Karakoram_Tract... The funny part is that you have withdrawn the claim from Aksai Chin but the Chinese claim that Indian Ladakh is part of Aksai Chin, but you have not withdrawn your claim from Indian Ladakh.... means, If India has then we will cry at UN but IF china has then we are OK because we made an agreement.


Conclude to say that :

1. All three countries shared the parts of Jammu and Kashmir.
2. UN resolution on Jammu and Kashmir is null after 1962 war and the 1963 agreement (pakistan and china), and Top-up you made an agreement with India in 1972. Well, all three countries will never accept the resolution on their own parts.
3. Jammu and Kashmir are occupied by all three countries - India, Pakistan and China. Jammu and Kashmir belong to only the local people of the state.

 

[TopGun786]

Ohh, Man! Till 1949, there was no Chinese present in those areas and which were under the control of British India as part of Jammu and Kashmir (Northern Areas).

Chinese entered those areas after only the communist revolution in 1949 including Aksai Chin. But before, UN resolution was passed for the entire Jammu and Kashmir which is currently parts shared by all three countries.

INDIA
1962, we had the war for the same reason because the Chinese already entered Northern areas (Aksai Chin) and started developing roads and other infrastructure. But Since it is part of J & K, we had a war with the Chinese but lost it, unfortunately.

Now, It didn't mean that Aksai Chin is not part of Jammu and Kashmir if it is occupied by chinese.

PAKISTAN

1. Pakistan used to claim the entire region excluding Aksai Chin and Trans-Karakoram Trac till before the agreement with china because the entire region come within Jammu and Kashmir.

2. Even Ayub Khan sent a formal note to China for Chinese maps showing the Northern Pakistan part of areas in Chinese in 1961.

Now things actually changed in your textbooks from here after the agreement you made with China.

Pakistan withdraws the claim from Chinese Aksai Chin and Trans-Karakoram_Tract... The funny part is that you have withdrawn the claim from Aksai Chin but the Chinese claim that Indian Ladakh is part of Aksai Chin, but you have not withdrawn your claim from Indian Ladakh.... means, If India has then we will cry at UN but IF china has then we are OK because we made an agreement.


Conclude to say that :

1. All three countries shared the parts of Jammu and Kashmir.
2. UN resolution on Jammu and Kashmir is null after 1962 war and the 1963 agreement (pakistan and china), and Top-up you made an agreement with India in 1972. Well, all three countries will never accept the resolution on their own parts.
3. Jammu and Kashmir are occupied by all three countries - India, Pakistan and China. Jammu and Kashmir belong to only the local people of the state.

Won't say anything about point 1&2 but fully agree with point 3.
Only if Pakistan, India and china realize this point 3 everything can be sorted.
Well, as I said before, that's not gonna happen.

 

[El Sidd]

Actually, occupied by all three countries (Pakistan, China and India)...

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiri people only....

Chinese are not Muslims if you are not pointing guns at them then why only India?? Since the Chinese occupied the Kashmir part and Pakistan is not resistance again then Religious things do not get applied.

Pakistan and China have not unilaterally decided on implementing a revamp of demographics unlike the Indian counterpart.

It's quite Indian of you to claim Kashmir belongs to Kashmir slogan while carrying out demographic changes and changing the law which provided atleast some form of protection.

Pakistan has no qualms if the Kashmiri plebiscite offers them to choose between Pakista, India and China along with option of self determination.

India well and truly knows that she can only cling to Kashmir by pure military power and a tool of blackmail.