Taking over Pakistan controlled Kashmir is war with China and Pakistan

[SaadH]

India's unilateral decisions in occupied territories are endangering the region.

What are Sepoys doing about it, other than bending over?

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Pakistan and China have not unilaterally decided on implementing a revamp of demographics unlike the Indian counterpart.

It's quite Indian of you to claim Kashmir belongs to Kashmir slogan while carrying out demographic changes and changing the law which provided atleast some form of protection.

Pakistan has no qualms if the Kashmiri plebiscite offers them to choose between Pakista, India and China along with option of self determination.

India well and truly knows that she can only cling to Kashmir by pure military power and a tool of blackmail.

Pakistan and China have not unilaterally decided on implementing a revamp of demographics unlike the Indian counterpart.

It was not India who sent the armed people In jammu and kashmir in 1948....... It was only Pakistan who invaded the Jammu and Kashmir, the rest are written in history why India sent the military forces.

After, 1949, the Chinese sent their forces to northern parts (including Indian and Pakistan parts).

It's quite Indian of you to claim Kashmir belongs to Kashmir slogan while carrying out demographic changes and changing the law which provided atleast some form of protection.

When can Pakistan make provisions by cutting PAK Kashmir ( called AJK Kashmir and GB), and handed over some parts to Chinese then why not India?

India well and truly knows that she can only cling to Kashmir by pure military power and a tool of blackmail.

Yes, you can thank for cross-border armed support to a few people. It caused major destruction in Kashmir during the 1990s... furthermore, most such situation goes against the ruling party, because during the destruction many families were destroyed..... For example - even in 1000, 1 person will take arms against Indian army, if he will be killed by Indian army then 999 people will go against the Indian army because one person belonged to them.

This is fairly understandable in Kashmir because if it happens anywhere then most people will go against the army. but in Jammu and Ladakh - no such cases

If India supported such armed support in Pak Kashmir and GB or even Chinese parts then the situation would be as same as Indian Kashmir.

 

[Areesh]

Ohh, Man! Till 1949, there was no Chinese present in those areas and which were under the control of British India as part of Jammu and Kashmir (Northern Areas).

Chinese entered those areas after only the communist revolution in 1949 including Aksai Chin. But before, UN resolution was passed for the entire Jammu and Kashmir which is currently parts shared by all three countries.

INDIA
1962, we had the war for the same reason because the Chinese already entered Northern areas (Aksai Chin) and started developing roads and other infrastructure. But Since it is part of J & K, we had a war with the Chinese but lost it, unfortunately.

Now, It didn't mean that Aksai Chin is not part of Jammu and Kashmir if it is occupied by chinese.

PAKISTAN

1. Pakistan used to claim the entire region including Aksai Chin and Trans-Karakoram Trac till before the agreement with china because the entire region come within Jammu and Kashmir.

2. Even Ayub Khan sent a formal note to China for Chinese maps showing the Northern Pakistan part of areas in Chinese in 1961.

Now things actually changed in your textbooks from here after the agreement you made with China.

Pakistan withdraws the claim from Chinese Aksai Chin and Trans-Karakoram_Tract... The funny part is that you have withdrawn the claim from Aksai Chin but the Chinese claim that Indian Ladakh is part of Aksai Chin, but you have not withdrawn your claim from Indian Ladakh.... means, If India has then we will cry at UN but IF china has then we are OK because we made an agreement.


Conclude to say that :

1. All three countries shared the parts of Jammu and Kashmir.
2. UN resolution on Jammu and Kashmir is null after 1962 war and the 1963 agreement (pakistan and china), and Top-up you made an agreement with India in 1972. Well, all three countries will never accept the resolution on their own parts.
3. Jammu and Kashmir are occupied by all three countries - India, Pakistan and China. Jammu and Kashmir belong to only the local people of the state.

Let me repeat again

Pakistan didn't hand over any piece of land to anyone including China

Nobody except nationalist Indians believe in this lie

AG Noorani former advocate of Indian supreme court also said the same:

There is one statement, however, which is untrue. It concerns the Shaksgam Valley and asserts: Area ceded by Pakistan to China. Pakistan ceded no territory to China under their agreement of March 2, 1963. On the contrary, it received from China 750 square miles of administered territory beyond the watershed, the traditional grazing ground for people in Hunza.

Map fetish

India's obsessive responses to maps showing its disputed boundaries with Pakistan and China expose the country to ridicule. IT has been said that the difference between a lunatic and a neuro

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handed over some parts to Chinese then why not India?

Wrong

Pakistan didn't handover any land to anyone. Correct yourself

 

[MultaniGuy]

Ohh, Man! Till 1949, there was no Chinese present in those areas and which were under the control of British India as part of Jammu and Kashmir (Northern Areas).

Chinese entered those areas after only the communist revolution in 1949 including Aksai Chin. But before, UN resolution was passed for the entire Jammu and Kashmir which is currently parts shared by all three countries.

INDIA
1962, we had the war for the same reason because the Chinese already entered Northern areas (Aksai Chin) and started developing roads and other infrastructure. But Since it is part of J & K, we had a war with the Chinese but lost it, unfortunately.

Now, It didn't mean that Aksai Chin is not part of Jammu and Kashmir if it is occupied by chinese.

PAKISTAN

1. Pakistan used to claim the entire region including Aksai Chin and Trans-Karakoram Trac till before the agreement with china because the entire region come within Jammu and Kashmir.

2. Even Ayub Khan sent a formal note to China for Chinese maps showing the Northern Pakistan part of areas in Chinese in 1961.

Now things actually changed in your textbooks from here after the agreement you made with China.

Pakistan withdraws the claim from Chinese Aksai Chin and Trans-Karakoram_Tract... The funny part is that you have withdrawn the claim from Aksai Chin but the Chinese claim that Indian Ladakh is part of Aksai Chin, but you have not withdrawn your claim from Indian Ladakh.... means, If India has then we will cry at UN but IF china has then we are OK because we made an agreement.


Conclude to say that :

1. All three countries shared the parts of Jammu and Kashmir.
2. UN resolution on Jammu and Kashmir is null after 1962 war and the 1963 agreement (pakistan and china), and Top-up you made an agreement with India in 1972. Well, all three countries will never accept the resolution on their own parts.
3. Jammu and Kashmir are occupied by all three countries - India, Pakistan and China. Jammu and Kashmir belong to only the local people of the state.

Wow what an idiot you are.

Everyone agreed to a Plebiscite in Kashmir to determine the destiny of the land.

India agreed, as Nehru did, but India backed out of it. lol.

Let me repeat again

Pakistan didn't hand over any piece of land to anyone including China

Nobody except nationalist Indians believe in this lie

AG Noorani former advocate of Indian supreme court also said the same:

Map fetish

India's obsessive responses to maps showing its disputed boundaries with Pakistan and China expose the country to ridicule. IT has been said that the difference between a lunatic and a neuro

web.archive.org

Wrong

Pakistan didn't handover any land to anyone. Correct yourself

What Indians have been told are lies.

China and Pakistan resolved their boundary problems.

China has a claim on Shaksgam Valley and Aksai Chin.

But these stupid Indians think they can claim all of Kashmir, when UN and the Superpowers see Kashmir as a territorial dispute.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Let me repeat again

Pakistan didn't hand over any piece of land to anyone including China

Nobody except nationalist Indians believe in this lie

AG Noorani former advocate of Indian supreme court also said the same:

Map fetish

India's obsessive responses to maps showing its disputed boundaries with Pakistan and China expose the country to ridicule. IT has been said that the difference between a lunatic and a neuro

web.archive.org

Wrong

Pakistan didn't handover any land to anyone. Correct yourself

Read some neutral sources, please.....

Written by: your nationalist

Manzoor Khan Afridi1& Abdul Zahoor Khan2, Islamabad Pakistan

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/235494934.pdf

https://optimizeias.com/china-pakistan-1963-agreement/

You only taught about getting the approx. 750 miles...... giving up your claim from part of jammu and Kashmir (Shaksgam Valley or the Trans Karakoram Tract (approx 5000 Km) and akshai chin)

Wow what an idiot you are.

Everyone agreed to a Plebiscite in Kashmir to determine the destiny of the land.

India agreed, as Nehru did, but India backed out of it. lol.


What Indians have been told are lies.

China and Pakistan resolved their boundary problems.

China has a claim on Shaksgam Valley and Aksai Chin.

But these stupid Indians think they can claim all of Kashmir, when UN and the Superpowers see Kashmir as a territorial dispute.

and Why only Kashmir? Show me if anywhere is mentioned about only Kashmir in UN resolution in 1948.... ..... does it make any difference if even GB and Pak Kashmir will also hand over/sell/gift to China and say, we have settled our border issue with China...... And ask UN observers to apply UN resolution only on Indian-held parts.

These are the reason also UN never listen to you when even USA and west were standing behind you.. Most Pakistani people are even not much aware of UN resolution on Jammu & Kashmir.... It does not make any difference how many times you sing the songs for Kashmir but tactically, UN resolution gets applied to all parts of Jammu & kashmir which is shared by all three countries.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Read some neutral sources, please.....

Written by: your nationalist

Manzoor Khan Afridi1& Abdul Zahoor Khan2, Islamabad Pakistan

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/235494934.pdf

https://optimizeias.com/china-pakistan-1963-agreement/

You only taught about getting the approx. 750 miles...... giving up your claim from part of jammu and Kashmir (Shaksgam Valley or the Trans Karakoram Tract (approx 5000 Km) and akshai chin)




and Why only Kashmir? Show me if anywhere is mentioned about only Kashmir in UN resolution in 1948.... ..... does it make any difference if even GB and Pak Kashmir will also hand over/sell/gift to China and say, we have settled our border issue with China...... And ask UN observers to apply UN resolution only on Indian-held parts.

These are the reason also UN never listen to you when even USA and west were standing behind you.. Most Pakistani people are even not much aware of UN resolution on Jammu & Kashmir.... It does not make any difference how many times you sing the songs for Kashmir but tactically, UN resolution gets applied to all parts of Jammu & kashmir which is shared by all three countries.

Ummm...what bullshit are you talking about.

Everyone agreed to hold a plebiscite. Even Nehru said so.

Pakistan and China resolved their boundary disputes in 1963.

Muslims of Gilgit Agency have no interest in being part of India.

It clearly shows you Indiots just want to steal land without taking demographics and geography into consideration.

Your arguments make no sense what so ever.

Why all beating around the bush, that oh get all the parts of Kashmir and then hold plebiscite.

Why not hold a plebiscite in just Jammu and Kashmir and see what the majority of the locals want.

Read some neutral sources, please.....

Written by: your nationalist

Manzoor Khan Afridi1& Abdul Zahoor Khan2, Islamabad Pakistan

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/235494934.pdf

https://optimizeias.com/china-pakistan-1963-agreement/

You only taught about getting the approx. 750 miles...... giving up your claim from part of jammu and Kashmir (Shaksgam Valley or the Trans Karakoram Tract (approx 5000 Km) and akshai chin)




and Why only Kashmir? Show me if anywhere is mentioned about only Kashmir in UN resolution in 1948.... ..... does it make any difference if even GB and Pak Kashmir will also hand over/sell/gift to China and say, we have settled our border issue with China...... And ask UN observers to apply UN resolution only on Indian-held parts.

These are the reason also UN never listen to you when even USA and west were standing behind you.. Most Pakistani people are even not much aware of UN resolution on Jammu & Kashmir.... It does not make any difference how many times you sing the songs for Kashmir but tactically, UN resolution gets applied to all parts of Jammu & kashmir which is shared by all three countries.

And even if we go by what you are saying, that get all the parts of Kashmir together,

Then let us hold a plebiscite in Pakistani Kashmir, Indian occupied Kashmir, and Chinese Kashmir, and then add the votes of what most people want in Kashmir region, you moron. Why should all the regions be under Indian control before holding the Plebiscite? It shows your intellectual dishonesty.

But I have talked to Indians in Canada, and they admitted their government does not want to hold a plebiscite, because they know what the end result would be, and just want to steal land, despite the demographics.

 

[Abid123]

No one is going to fight for you even knowing the opposition is having Nuclear loaded missiles that can destroy their cities.

But your India has a "no first use policy". So you can't use nukes in a first strike. So a enemy in a conventional war would not have to worry about nuclear loaded missiles unless they use nukes first.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

But your India has a "no first use policy". So you can't use nukes in a first strike. So a enemy in a conventional war would not have to worry about nuclear loaded missiles unless they use nukes first.

If two countries will attack on you and will anyone follow their "no first use policy"?

Anyhow, I don't believe in this BS. This is just to showcase your soft power to the world but actually, it totally depends on the situation.

 

[Horse_Rider]

Taking over Pakistan controlled Kashmir is war with China and Pakistan​

While there is no doubt that New Delhi has made a resolve that the entire Jammu and Kashmir is part of India, be it Pakistan-Controlled Kashmir or China-held Aksai Chin, a more nuanced narrative is required to understand what are the repercussions of getting back Azad Kashmir.​

New Delhi,UPDATED: Dec 12, 2022 12:26 IST

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Such a lengthy article on a topic that can be easily addressed in a short paragraph or two. The Indian Army can "try" to take AJK, but the issue is, that border is a red line for Pakistan. Since India has made the Jammu side "it's own territory", essentially ending Kashmir's status as a disputed territory, that means the other side is Pakistan's and the claim's accepted by default due to their own actions of making Kashmir an Indian territory and it's borders as "international borders". The story ends here about how is Kashmir viewed, it's a state BELONGING to two countries, add China so it's Three. While bore Indian actions, it was a State "divided and disputed" between the three countries!

Any attacks to now "Pakistani side of the border" will be considered an attack on Pakistan's territory and India will lose it's attacking IBG. If they want to lose their "regional power" status so quickly and be in a position to not have enough army and airforce for other "ventures", the quickest way to downgrade that much capability is to attack Pakistan. I believe this has been made very clear to them.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Ummm...what bullshit are you talking about.

Everyone agreed to hold a plebiscite. Even Nehru said so.

Pakistan and China resolved their boundary disputes in 1963.

Muslims of Gilgit Agency have no interest in being part of India.

It clearly shows you Indiots just want to steal land without taking demographics and geography into consideration.

Your arguments make no sense what so ever.

Why all beating around the bush, that oh get all the parts of Kashmir and then hold plebiscite.

Why not hold a plebiscite in just Jammu and Kashmir and see what the majority of the locals want.


And even if we go by what you are saying, that get all the parts of Kashmir together,

Then let us hold a plebiscite in Pakistani Kashmir, Indian occupied Kashmir, and Chinese Kashmir, and then add the votes of what most people want in Kashmir region, you moron. Why should all the regions be under Indian control before holding the Plebiscite? It shows your intellectual dishonesty.

But I have talked to Indians in Canada, and they admitted their government does not want to hold a plebiscite, because they know what the end result would be, and just want to steal land, despite the demographics.

1. Nehru said for the jammu and kashmir,, which is now shared by all three countries.

Pakistan and China resolved their boundary disputes in 1963.
2. Does it make any difference? Even if you give your all Pak Kashmir and GB to China but still UN resolution on J & K will be applied to those parts since it is part of Jammu and kashmir. Nothing will be changed.

Muslims of Gilgit Agency have no interest in being part of India.
Did UN resolution apply and you WON the same? If not, then how?

Why all beating around the bush, that oh get all the parts of Kashmir and then hold plebiscite.
Why only India will do? ask china and your government to follow the UN resolution on J & K for the same.

Why not hold a plebiscite in just Jammu and Kashmir and see what the majority of the locals want.
Without Chinese part and Pk kashmir and GB..... never will be possible...

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People should read the UN resolution on Jammu and Kashmir before just jumping on only kashmir. rest are just BS.. If Chinese has occupied and you handed over your own Kahsmir parts to China, We are Ok, if we only occupied, it is OK, but India has occupied - No no, it is not ok...... we want a plebiscite in Indian parts.... BS

 

[El Sidd]

What are Sepoys doing about it, other than bending over?

Apparently they are protecting the civilian government of the time who buckled under pressure on Aug 05, 2019.

the rest are written in history why India sent the military forces.

What written history? The fake letter from the puppet Maharaja is a myth much circulated by the Indian propaganda machine.

When can Pakistan make provisions by cutting PAK Kashmir ( called AJK Kashmir and GB), and handed over some parts to Chinese then why not India?

Pakistan has not handed over an inch of her territory to anyone. Ever looked at a map of Pakistan available at the Embassy of Pakistan in Delhi?

Pakistan and China are not unilaterally deciding matters on Aksai Chin and Ladakh.

Yes, you can thank for cross-border armed support to a few people.

Right of self-determination does not need any foreign support. Kashmiri and their struggle is indigenous as one of the true forms of conflict registered by the UN.

 

[MultaniGuy]

1. Nehru said for the jammu and kashmir,, which is now shared by all three countries.

Pakistan and China resolved their boundary disputes in 1963.
2. Does it make any difference? Even if you give your all Pak Kashmir and GB to China but still UN resolution on J & K will be applied to those parts since it is part of Jammu and kashmir. Nothing will be changed.

Muslims of Gilgit Agency have no interest in being part of India.
Did UN resolution apply and you WON the same? If not, then how?

Why all beating around the bush, that oh get all the parts of Kashmir and then hold plebiscite.
Why only India will do? ask china and your government to follow the UN resolution on J & K for the same.

Why not hold a plebiscite in just Jammu and Kashmir and see what the majority of the locals want.
Without Chinese part and Pk kashmir and GB..... never will be possible...

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People should read the UN resolution on Jammu and Kashmir before just jumping on only kashmir. rest are just BS.. If Chinese has occupied and you handed over your own Kahsmir parts to China, We are Ok, if we only occupied, it is OK, but India has occupied - No no, it is not ok...... we want a plebiscite in Indian parts.... BS

Wow are you that of an idiot?

Why should Kashmir be under Indian administration to hold plebiscite?

Pakistan, China, and India can hold the plebiscite in their respective regions.

Plebiscite is something everyone agreed to, India backed down, even though Nehru promised the world about it.

Just admit it, India is at fault, nobody else.

It is Pakistan that says hold a plebiscite, you idiot.

Indian government says accept LOC as international boundary.

No wonder why the Chinese whipped your A$$ in 1962 war, because you Indiots refuse to do diplomacy and compromise on any issues.

Even Louis Mountbatten of Burma says Kashmir issue is unresolved till Plebiscite is administered.

Did you bother reading the Kashmir issue on BBC, or have you read any books on the matter?

Or are you regurgitating nonsense from NDTV or the Hindustan Times or Times of India?

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Wow are you that of an idiot?

Why should Kashmir be under Indian administration to hold plebiscite?

Pakistan, China, and India can hold the plebiscite in their respective regions.

Plebiscite is something everyone agreed to, India backed down, even though Nehru promised the world about it.

Just admit it, India is at fault, nobody else.

It is Pakistan that says hold a plebiscite, you idiot.

Indian government says accept LOC as international boundary.

No wonder why the Chinese whipped your A$$ in 1962 war, because you Indiots refuse to do diplomacy and compromise on any issues.

Even Louis Mountbatten of Burma says Kashmir issue is unresolved till Plebiscite is administered.

Did you bother reading the Kashmir issue on BBC, or have you read any books on the matter?

Or are you regurgitating nonsense from NDTV or the Hindustan Times or Times of India?

Why can't you increase the font sizes more, it should be bigger but does it make any difference???

Again!!! People talk about plebiscite Under UN resolution but forget the conditions.... Just funny.. .might they never read the UN resolution on jammu and kashmir itself.

 

[Areesh]

Read some neutral sources, please.....

Written by: your nationalist

Manzoor Khan Afridi1& Abdul Zahoor Khan2, Islamabad Pakistan

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/235494934.pdf

https://optimizeias.com/china-pakistan-1963-agreement/

I actually used neutral or even Indian source to prove that Pakistan didn't hand over any land to anyone and infact got land that china earlier claimed

You posting random links doesn't prove anything. Show us from these urls that Pakistan actually physically controlled some piece of land and then handed it over to China as you Indians falsely claim

Key here is the word physically

You only taught about getting the approx. 750 miles...... giving up your claim from part of jammu and Kashmir (Shaksgam Valley or the Trans Karakoram Tract (approx 5000 Km) and akshai chin)

Thanks for accepting the fact that Pakistan didn't hand over any land to anyone and simply accepted Chinese control on a piece of land which it never controlled physically and officially

 

[Dual Wielder]

Terrain play a big role as well. Not easy to conquer AJK, also natives will fight against Indians as well.

Too bad can't say about the generals leading the army, known for their cowardry and treachery. Azad Kashmir was liberated by us locals, if we left it to the army head to take initiative, it would be under Indian Occupation now, currently its occupied by GHQ like the rest of Pakistan. India just needs to throw some rupees, that might tice GHQ to look away. For the moment India doesn't need to lift their finger, and the military junta is doing them favors of destroying Pakistan from within..