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India doesn't deserve UNSC seat: Geelani

Brazil actually deserve for UNSC seat with non of opposition, so in my point of view world community has to consider Brazil for this seat while India still can not full fill requirements of UNSC & UN charter of peace & HR.
If you say so.
We don't have any issue regarding Brazil getting the permanent UNSC seat. We'll support Brazil, Germany & Japan for the same, and they are going to return us the favor.:cheers:
India has to solve basic economical, territorial problems, decrease rate of injustice & protections of ethnic & religious rights.
That's not the eligibility criteria for getting into UNSC. Anyway thanks for your concern.:tup:
 
Does India Qualify for a Permanent Seat in UNSC?

by Mamoona Ali Kazmi

Jan 1 2011

President Obama announced US support for India’s quest for permanent membership of a reformed UN Security Council in the years ahead despite India’s bad human rights record. President Obama’s three days visit to India ended with much disappointment for human rights groups and Indian minorities, as the Nobel Peace prize winner for 2009 did not even talk about the large scale human rights violations in India despite the requests from organizations such as Amnesty International and individual letters to President in this context.

Amnesty international had asked president Obama to raise the issues of human rights violations in Kashmir and Bhopal gas disaster with India. Similarly, an American Vivek Nirala wrote a letter to President Obama informing him about the plight of 260 million Indian Dalits (untouchables) and requesting him to call on the Indian leaders including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh during his visit to India and ask them why pervasive human rights persist.
India’s dynamic society and political system are juxtaposed by multiple serious human rights concerns. Among the gravest are unlawful killings, excessive use of police force, torture, violence against women, discrimination against Dalits, and persecution of minorities such as Muslims, Sikhs and Christians. In many areas governmental mechanisms fail to protect civil and political rights and do not ensure justice for victims of human rights abuses.
Torture in state detention is widespread in India, involving a range of practices including shackling, beatings and the administration of electric shocks. Disadvantaged and marginalized groups including women, Dalits, Adivasis and suspected members of armed opposition groups are those abused most commonly. According to official reports, 127 people died in police custody in India in 2008-09, although the figure could be higher since several states failed to report such deaths. Torture is also reportedly widespread in prisons. The National Human Rights Commission registered 1,596 complaints of torture of prisoners in 2008-09. The number of deaths due to torture is not routinely reported. The vast majority of cases of torture inflicted on detained people in India are unlawful and punishable under current Indian law, however prosecutions are extremely rare. Law enforcement personnel enjoy virtual immunity from prosecution for torture and other human rights abuses, and prosecutions remain sporadic and rare.
The poor Kashmirs’ in Indian Held Kashmir (IHK) have been suffering all kinds of brutality at the hands of Indian security forces for the last many decades. According to the data compiled by the Research Section of Kashmir Media Service, in the year 2008, the occupation troops during their raids, firing and shelling injured 4,824 persons, destroyed 106 residential houses, arrested 1,408 civilians and molested 93 women. The killing rendered 85 women widowed and 164 children orphaned. Forty four youth were reported missing in custody. Molestation of Kashmiri women by BSF officers and jawans has become a common practice in IHK. India has employed various techniques including black laws to suppress the Kashmiri liberation movement. Prevention of Terrorism Act (POTA), Terrorist and Disruptive Activities Act 1990 (TADA) and Armed Forces Special Powers Act 1990, (AFSPA) are enforced in Kashmir despite the fact that they contravenes the Indian Constitution and international law. These laws violate the basic human rights such as right to life, the right to liberty and security of the person and the right to remedy. The Armed Forces (Jammu & Kashmir) Special Powers enforced on 10 September, 1990 authorized even a non-commissioned officer to search any place, fire at any person (and kill), or arrest on the basis of suspicion. TADA gives security forces and armed forces special powers for unauthorized administrative detention without formal charges or trial for up to one year. Under POTA, any person can be put into prison for not disclosing the information that can prevent an act of terrorism. Apart from Kashmir, Indian security forces are violating human rights on large scale in seven northeastern states. Similarly, the Naxal affected states are also witnessing gross human rights violations.
India’s intolerance towards religious minorities is apparent from its treatment towards Sikhs, Muslims and Christians. Indian government has tried several times to purge Sikh identity and merge them into Hinduism. For this purpose it used all techniques including killing their young generation, destroying their history and distorting their culture. Amnesty International’s report published in 2000 clearly shows that the Indian state continues to pursue its policy of state terror against the Sikhs. Apart from Sikhs, Muslims always remained the victim of Hindu hatred. This hatred led the extremist Hindus to inflict harm to Muslim’s belongings. On 6 December 1992, Hindu extremists demolished 16th century old Babri mosque. More than 2000 people were killed in the ensuing riots following the demolition. Similarly, in 2002 something as horrendous as the Gujarat riots, killing more than 2,500 Muslims, having no parallel in India’s modern history occurred. Christian minorities are also not safe in India. Hindu groups are running an anti Christian campaign for several years. Since August 2008, supporters of the Hindu militant groups Vishwa Hinud Parishad and Bajrang Dal in Orissa have attacked Christians, many of them tribal minorities or Dalits. According to the Roman Catholic Church in India, 300 Christian villages have been destroyed in Orissa, 4,400 houses burnt, 50,000 people made homeless and 59 Christians killed and 18,000 injured.

Indian claims of being a pluralistic society are shattered owing to its discrimination and attitude towards different minorities. Due to its bad Human Rights record, India does not qualify for a permanent seat in Security Council. If India manages to get a permanent seat despite its poor human rights record, it will put a question mark on the credibility, formation and aim of the UN. According to the National Commission of Human Rights of India, more than 62,000 Human Rights violations are recorded annually. Kashmiri Hurriyet leader, Syed Ali Gilani said, “A permanent Security Council seat in the UN for India means a major injustice, which has no moral ground. How will such a country (India) be made a permanent member, when it has not honored the body and rejected its resolutions on Kashmir. Madhu Malhotra, Amnesty International’s Asia-Pacific deputy program director said, “If India is serious about its aspiration to be a regional and global power, it needs to address the issue of torture and ensure that the human rights of those it arrests and detains are protected”.


Does India Qualify for a Permanent Seat in UNSC? by Mamoona Ali Kazmi - Instablogs

Zaheerul Hassan , Lahore: Jan 1 2011
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And i lost my interest of going further down into this article. :coffee:
 
Geelani is wrong...India will soon get UNSC as soon as it sets kashmir free.And thats the barter deal right up on the horizon.

And last time i checked the above poster was neither the sec. gen of the UN nor the pres. of the US of A or a local club for that matter ( purely conjecture) .. is he really in a position to table such "barter deal" ..lets keep in mind we are talking about a UNSC seat up for grabs here, not a kilo of aloo aur piyaaz..
 
UNSC seat for India, far from reality, analyzing Indian desire, there are so many questions raised and exist which are denying this possibility.
 
Who cares what Geelani says anyway.

Not a influential person leading a massive economy or something or very strong independent state.
 
after that indian foreign minister who read portugese counterparts speech in UN....indian membership in United Nations should be terminated for 99 years or till the likes of parnab mukherje get extinct whichever is sooner :lol:
 
Who cares what Geelani says anyway.

Not a influential person leading a massive economy or something or very strong independent state.

May be you have no care what Geelani said but you have to care of human violations situation, regional irresponsible attitude of India, so what make you say that India must be get it?
Yes being a India, you always will say it but being a human being make justice what India is doing and for what he is willing? can you?
 
May be you have no care what Geelani said but you have to care of human violations situation, regional irresponsible attitude of India, so what make you say that India must be get it?
Yes being a India, you always will say it but being a human being make justice what India is doing and for what he is willing? can you?

Human rights are an important aspect and there is no doubt.

Something must be done with terrorists who misuse the name of Islam to serve their personal agenda, be they in Pakistan or India.
 
After reading this entire thread i have only a few points

geelani is of no importance so he can rant and rave but there will be no one in the international forums listening .

forget Indian ever letting go of kashmir . it has not happened for the past 60 yrs and will never happen as its political suicide for any party who even dreams it in India.

Pakistan has a part of Kashmir and lets be honest they are not going to give it back nor can we get it back by war unless we are prepared to shed a lot of blood , theirs and ours . Which is just not feasible as it would adversely affect our economy , and its our economy we are interested in, not reuniting the two Kashmirs.

while a lot of people here can dream about freeing Kashmir , its not realistic . no country in the world is in a position to force India today on any topic let alone Kashmir.

also lets not forget the UNSC has not discussed kashmir for 40 yrs now . there ends the topic .
 
After reading this entire thread i have only a few points

geelani is of no importance so he can rant and rave but there will be no one in the international forums listening .

forget Indian ever letting go of kashmir . it has not happened for the past 60 yrs and will never happen as its political suicide for any party who even dreams it in India.

Pakistan has a part of Kashmir and lets be honest they are not going to give it back nor can we get it back by war unless we are prepared to shed a lot of blood , theirs and ours . Which is just not feasible as it would adversely affect our economy , and its our economy we are interested in, not reuniting the two Kashmirs.

while a lot of people here can dream about freeing Kashmir , its not realistic . no country in the world is in a position to force India today on any topic let alone Kashmir.

also lets not forget the UNSC has not discussed kashmir for 40 yrs now . there ends the topic .

No, topic take start from this point. What you said can be titled as ignorance from reality or close eye depiction. You need a base for what India hoping for & reality showed that strength in aims depends over honest & fair actions & thoughts in background.
 
So did geelani's voice reach UN????????
And response from them...???
IF not,lets wait......
Why r u guys bashing each other and getting banned :lol:.
till then enjoy guys....
 
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