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And what about you carrying an (oops two...) Indian flag in profile....MENTION NOT! IT IS FOR SECULAR 'YOU'!
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So got the self assigned job of policing on religious belief of others??? Reported....Just to expose people like you!
Enjoy and Bye !
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Good Job.
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@sab roby and jagjitnatt
All in vein my friends..there are lots of minorities like us wrote thousands of posts about we are better off than any other country here these guys wont understand it..with in next one week they will start another thread about minority opression in India and the whole circus will start all over again..wanna bet about it??
All in vein my friends..there are lots of minorities like us wrote thousands of posts about we are better off than any other country here these guys wont understand it..with in next one week they will start another thread about minority opression in India and the whole circus will start all over again..wanna bet about it??
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Only 5% of Plan funds spent on minorities
Ambitious Scheme Launched To Provide Better Housing, Education Comes A Cropper
TIMES INSIGHT GROUP
One of the significant steps of the first UPA government was to initiate action on the festering issue of exclusion and backwardness amongst minority communities in India, especially the Muslims. As the Sachar Committee had revealed in November 2006, Muslims had a shocking poverty rate of over 31% (compared to
the national average of about 22%) and, at 15%, unemployment among Muslim graduates was double that of the majority community. Representation in civil services, central and state government service, armed forces and judiciary was less than 5% (though Muslims make up over 13% of the population) and ownership of assets or land was proportionally less than others. Clearly, special attention was needed to set this situation right.
The UPA government created a new ministry of minority affairs in 2006 to implement a slew of schemes addressing the problems of backwardness and poverty among Muslims primarily, but also among other minorities. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh announced a refurbished 15-point program for educational and vocational deficits among Muslims. In 2007, the government surveyed and identified 90 Muslim concentration districts (MCDs). An ambitious multi-sectoral development plan (MSDP) was launched to provide better housing, sanitation, education, healthcare, credit facilities, employment opportunities etc to minority community members.
MSDP has emerged as the chief vehicle of delivering the UPA government’s promises to remove the developmental deficit of the Muslim community out of the total allocation of Rs 1,756 crore to the ministry of minority affairs in 2009-10, the MSDP alone drew Rs 889.5 crore, that is, over 56% of the ministry’s funds. A performance analysis of this ambitious scheme, done by the Centre for Budget and Governance Accountability (CBGA), shows that it appears to be floundering.
Of the 90 Muslim concentration districts, 16 have yet to formulate a plan under MSDP. As of September 2009, project activities worth Rs 1,562 crore had been sanctioned for the remaining 74 districts, but only Rs 77 crore had actually been spent, according to data collected by CBGA. That’s just 5% of the total sanctioned amount. For the 11th Plan (2007-12), a total of Rs 2,750 has been set aside for the MSDP. After half the period has already gone by, the expenditure amounts to just 2.8% of the total.
As per a later but incomplete report of the Data Monitoring Unit of the ministry, covering 44 of the 90 MCDs, expenditure till December 2009 had improved slightly, but still stood at a shocking 17% of the total funds available with the districts. In most states, funds for 2009-10 were being released in December 2009.
For current year, just 3,201 houses had been built out of a target of 205,260 for Muslim families, under the Indira Awas Yojana, just 1,523 handpumps had been installed out of the targeted 14,020, only 5 health centers had been built from a target of 1,715, and only 20 anganwadi centers had been built out of 18,970 targeted, according to the ministry’s report.
The main reason behind the pathetic performance is lack of trained and adequate staff, infrastructure and planning at the district and state levels, says CBGA. While involvement of panchayati raj institutions may give the needed impetus to implementation, the UPA government needs to do a reality check on its lofty promises.
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Only 5% of Plan funds spent on minorities
Ambitious Scheme Launched To Provide Better Housing, Education Comes A Cropper
TIMES INSIGHT GROUP
One of the significant steps of the first UPA government was to initiate action on the festering issue of exclusion and backwardness amongst minority communities in India, especially the Muslims. As the Sachar Committee had revealed in November 2006, Muslims had a shocking poverty rate of over 31% (compared to
the national average of about 22%) and, at 15%, unemployment among Muslim graduates was double that of the majority community. Representation in civil services, central and state government service, armed forces and judiciary was less than 5% (though Muslims make up over 13% of the population) and ownership of assets or land was proportionally less than others. Clearly, special attention was needed to set this situation right.
The UPA government created a new ministry of minority affairs in 2006 to implement a slew of schemes addressing the problems of backwardness and poverty among Muslims primarily, but also among other minorities. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh announced a refurbished 15-point program for educational and vocational deficits among Muslims. In 2007, the government surveyed and identified 90 Muslim concentration districts (MCDs). An ambitious multi-sectoral development plan (MSDP) was launched to provide better housing, sanitation, education, healthcare, credit facilities, employment opportunities etc to minority community members.
MSDP has emerged as the chief vehicle of delivering the UPA government’s promises to remove the developmental deficit of the Muslim community out of the total allocation of Rs 1,756 crore to the ministry of minority affairs in 2009-10, the MSDP alone drew Rs 889.5 crore, that is, over 56% of the ministry’s funds. A performance analysis of this ambitious scheme, done by the Centre for Budget and Governance Accountability (CBGA), shows that it appears to be floundering.
Of the 90 Muslim concentration districts, 16 have yet to formulate a plan under MSDP. As of September 2009, project activities worth Rs 1,562 crore had been sanctioned for the remaining 74 districts, but only Rs 77 crore had actually been spent, according to data collected by CBGA. That’s just 5% of the total sanctioned amount. For the 11th Plan (2007-12), a total of Rs 2,750 has been set aside for the MSDP. After half the period has already gone by, the expenditure amounts to just 2.8% of the total.
As per a later but incomplete report of the Data Monitoring Unit of the ministry, covering 44 of the 90 MCDs, expenditure till December 2009 had improved slightly, but still stood at a shocking 17% of the total funds available with the districts. In most states, funds for 2009-10 were being released in December 2009.
For current year, just 3,201 houses had been built out of a target of 205,260 for Muslim families, under the Indira Awas Yojana, just 1,523 handpumps had been installed out of the targeted 14,020, only 5 health centers had been built from a target of 1,715, and only 20 anganwadi centers had been built out of 18,970 targeted, according to the ministry’s report.
The main reason behind the pathetic performance is lack of trained and adequate staff, infrastructure and planning at the district and state levels, says CBGA. While involvement of panchayati raj institutions may give the needed impetus to implementation, the UPA government needs to do a reality check on its lofty promises.
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Imams want educational schemes, especially for Muslim girls
New Delhi: Holding that education is the only tool to bring "compatible social change" among Muslims, an umbrella body of Imams on Saturday demanded specific policy initiatives from the Centre to ensure better educational opportunities for the community.
Seeking radical changes, the All India Organisation of Imams of Mosques (AIOIM) also demanded minority status for Jamia Milia Islamia, special scheme for education
of Muslim girls and steps for upgrading science education in madarsas, including a government scheme for providing maths and science teachers to such institutions.
"There was consensus among the participants that education is the only tool to bring about a consistent and compatible social change and therefore focus of the community is shifted from agitation-based polity to real issues of socio-economic transformation," it said after a conference on 'Role of Ulemas' in Educational Upliftment of Indian Muslims'.
The AIOIM submitted a memorandum to HRD Minister Kapil Sibal in which various demands to improve educational infrastructure for the community were placed.
The Imams' body also sought formulation of a master plan to encourage education of the Muslim girl child which it said "is the need of the hour".
Sibal, in a message to the conference, said that it was a "matter of great pleasure that ulemas and imams are themselves conscious of modernising education in traditional institutions and on their own volition many madarsas have introduced science, maths and computer education."
Sibal said his Ministry did not intend to interfere in the madarsa system and it was his stated position that the Government would not take any step towards setting up of the Madarsa Board till there was a consensus among all sections of the community.
He said the Government's scheme of providing financial assistance for honorarium of teachers, developing science labs and teachers' training will be available for all madarsa managements who volunteer to take benefit of it.
"Even in the Prime Minister's 15-point programme for Welfare of Minorities, equivalence of madarsa certificates have been envisaged and in this direction a very important step was taken and madarsa qualifications were equated with CBSE," Sibal said in his message.
Meanwhile, the Imams' body also demanded recognising Madarsa certificates and degrees for pursuing higher studies in colleges and universities and said these qualifications should be considered for getting jobs in government, semi-government and private sector organisations.
Focussing on better education for the community, it said Government must immediately launch a scheme for providing teachers of English, Mathematics, Science and Social Studies at its own expenses "in order to promote enlightment".
"A national scheme in service training programme for madarsa teachers also needs to be launched to bridge the gap between modern and madarsa education," the conference concluded.
It said Urdu-medium primary and secondary schools should be set up in Muslim-dominated areas.
It also said that there are complaints regarding inadequacies in the present minority character of Aligarh Muslim University and demanded setting up of a committee to look into the grievances.
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Another news report that shows the fact that neither religious muslims nor scholars and ulemas and imams are against education including girls education.
New Delhi: Holding that education is the only tool to bring "compatible social change" among Muslims, an umbrella body of Imams on Saturday demanded specific policy initiatives from the Centre to ensure better educational opportunities for the community.
Seeking radical changes, the All India Organisation of Imams of Mosques (AIOIM) also demanded minority status for Jamia Milia Islamia, special scheme for education
of Muslim girls and steps for upgrading science education in madarsas, including a government scheme for providing maths and science teachers to such institutions.
"There was consensus among the participants that education is the only tool to bring about a consistent and compatible social change and therefore focus of the community is shifted from agitation-based polity to real issues of socio-economic transformation," it said after a conference on 'Role of Ulemas' in Educational Upliftment of Indian Muslims'.
The AIOIM submitted a memorandum to HRD Minister Kapil Sibal in which various demands to improve educational infrastructure for the community were placed.
The Imams' body also sought formulation of a master plan to encourage education of the Muslim girl child which it said "is the need of the hour".
Sibal, in a message to the conference, said that it was a "matter of great pleasure that ulemas and imams are themselves conscious of modernising education in traditional institutions and on their own volition many madarsas have introduced science, maths and computer education."
Sibal said his Ministry did not intend to interfere in the madarsa system and it was his stated position that the Government would not take any step towards setting up of the Madarsa Board till there was a consensus among all sections of the community.
He said the Government's scheme of providing financial assistance for honorarium of teachers, developing science labs and teachers' training will be available for all madarsa managements who volunteer to take benefit of it.
"Even in the Prime Minister's 15-point programme for Welfare of Minorities, equivalence of madarsa certificates have been envisaged and in this direction a very important step was taken and madarsa qualifications were equated with CBSE," Sibal said in his message.
Meanwhile, the Imams' body also demanded recognising Madarsa certificates and degrees for pursuing higher studies in colleges and universities and said these qualifications should be considered for getting jobs in government, semi-government and private sector organisations.
Focussing on better education for the community, it said Government must immediately launch a scheme for providing teachers of English, Mathematics, Science and Social Studies at its own expenses "in order to promote enlightment".
"A national scheme in service training programme for madarsa teachers also needs to be launched to bridge the gap between modern and madarsa education," the conference concluded.
It said Urdu-medium primary and secondary schools should be set up in Muslim-dominated areas.
It also said that there are complaints regarding inadequacies in the present minority character of Aligarh Muslim University and demanded setting up of a committee to look into the grievances.
PTI
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Another news report that shows the fact that neither religious muslims nor scholars and ulemas and imams are against education including girls education.
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Vrinda Grover, a Delhi-based human rights lawyer, is director of Multiple Action Research Group (MARG). She is presently counsel for survivors of the 1984 anti-Sikh carnage, 1987 Hashimpura police killings and the 2008 anti-Christian riots in Kandhamal. She speaks to Humra Quraishi about the Communal Violence Bill expected to be tabled soon in Parliament:
A new version of the communal violence Bill has been cleared by the cabinet. How different is it from the earlier version?
The most significant change is this Bill gives powers of authority to the states to declare an area communally disturbed and it’s this clause which is likely to be misused by the state governments. This Bill is a nasty piece of legislation to hoodwink and dupe the minority communities under the garb they will get protection. On the contrary, it will only make them more vulnerable to the powers of the government and the states.
What are the shortcomings of the Bill?
Documented experience clearly shows that in communal carnages there is a definite role played by the various state agencies (civil and police forces and the politician). This has not been taken into consideration. The Bill treats communal violence as though it’s mere rioting between two communities and does not create any accountability for the state and the various agencies. Another flaw is this Bill does not follow the Doctrine of Command and Superior Responsibility – that is, it will not hold the man at the helm of affairs responsible for communal rioting and carnage. For example, in the Ehsan Jaffri murder case, his widow says they had called/contacted the police commissioner when they were besieged by mobs during the 2002 Gujarat pogrom, but he didn’t respond and come to their rescue. So the person held responsible for Jaffri’s murder/ killing should be the then police commissioner of Ahmedabad and not some small players or people who were in the mob.
Another flaw is that the Bill is only relying on old offences of the Indian Penal Code (IPC). On the aspect of sexual violence the definition of sexual violence is restricted to rape as under the IPC and it doesn’t cover the sexual offences that take place during communal rioting/carnage. Nor does the Bill cover the very consequences of the aftermath of sexual violence. There is hardly any mention of victims’ rights. After all, it’s the obligation of the state to provide relief.
But, in this Bill, it makes rioting appear as though it’s just between two communities. So the state moves away from that responsibility/accountability. Psycho-socio traumas of victims need to be addressed but there is not even a mention of these in the Bill. No mention of the need for counsellors, longterm medical relief etc.
What does it say about the police?
This Bill does not challenge the absolute impunity that the police force enjoys. In fact, it reinforces the impunity by the addition of ‘good faith’ clause, which ensures that no prosecution of the police and public servants is permitted without the prior permission of the executive.
The executive will, for very obvious reasons, shield them. If this Bill is amended and some fundamental changes are brought about which give rights to the victims and accountability falls on the state and its functionaries, only then can it uphold the rights of the targeted communities.
‘Communal violence Bill is a nasty piece of legislation’
Vrinda Grover, a Delhi-based human rights lawyer, is director of Multiple Action Research Group (MARG). She is presently counsel for survivors of the 1984 anti-Sikh carnage, 1987 Hashimpura police killings and the 2008 anti-Christian riots in Kandhamal. She speaks to Humra Quraishi about the Communal Violence Bill expected to be tabled soon in Parliament:
A new version of the communal violence Bill has been cleared by the cabinet. How different is it from the earlier version?
The most significant change is this Bill gives powers of authority to the states to declare an area communally disturbed and it’s this clause which is likely to be misused by the state governments. This Bill is a nasty piece of legislation to hoodwink and dupe the minority communities under the garb they will get protection. On the contrary, it will only make them more vulnerable to the powers of the government and the states.
What are the shortcomings of the Bill?
Documented experience clearly shows that in communal carnages there is a definite role played by the various state agencies (civil and police forces and the politician). This has not been taken into consideration. The Bill treats communal violence as though it’s mere rioting between two communities and does not create any accountability for the state and the various agencies. Another flaw is this Bill does not follow the Doctrine of Command and Superior Responsibility – that is, it will not hold the man at the helm of affairs responsible for communal rioting and carnage. For example, in the Ehsan Jaffri murder case, his widow says they had called/contacted the police commissioner when they were besieged by mobs during the 2002 Gujarat pogrom, but he didn’t respond and come to their rescue. So the person held responsible for Jaffri’s murder/ killing should be the then police commissioner of Ahmedabad and not some small players or people who were in the mob.
Another flaw is that the Bill is only relying on old offences of the Indian Penal Code (IPC). On the aspect of sexual violence the definition of sexual violence is restricted to rape as under the IPC and it doesn’t cover the sexual offences that take place during communal rioting/carnage. Nor does the Bill cover the very consequences of the aftermath of sexual violence. There is hardly any mention of victims’ rights. After all, it’s the obligation of the state to provide relief.
But, in this Bill, it makes rioting appear as though it’s just between two communities. So the state moves away from that responsibility/accountability. Psycho-socio traumas of victims need to be addressed but there is not even a mention of these in the Bill. No mention of the need for counsellors, longterm medical relief etc.
What does it say about the police?
This Bill does not challenge the absolute impunity that the police force enjoys. In fact, it reinforces the impunity by the addition of ‘good faith’ clause, which ensures that no prosecution of the police and public servants is permitted without the prior permission of the executive.
The executive will, for very obvious reasons, shield them. If this Bill is amended and some fundamental changes are brought about which give rights to the victims and accountability falls on the state and its functionaries, only then can it uphold the rights of the targeted communities.
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Don't try to assert your dominance by imposing your false historical beliefs on others. Its sickening how many of you keep doing it and fully believe it.
And to add truth to it that, all Muslims in India are not converted, many came from Afghanistan and from Middleast. And some even from Iran.
So those who blow their own horns are just that, blowing their own horn. Hs nothing to do with facts.
So those who blow their own horns are just that, blowing their own horn. Hs nothing to do with facts.
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whether converted or having persian origin ,I know almost all of the Indian Muslims are Far better in Religious Tolerance and Acceptance to Secular Education.That itself will help very Much the Nation 
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PS:These "not converted" group is a Minority(Shias? Bohra?).India is not Pakistan!Except for Malabar(Kerala) Malabaris(Sunni Muslims) ,There was no constant link with Arabs over the Centuries.
.PS:These "not converted" group is a Minority(Shias? Bohra?).India is not Pakistan!Except for Malabar(Kerala) Malabaris(Sunni Muslims) ,There was no constant link with Arabs over the Centuries.
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I just hope that you understand that India as much safe and home like your own town for muslims. It is 05:13 am here and I can listen to a prayer call from a nearby mosque. Can't understand what it means, must be for the first prayer of the day.
Hope you have a pinch better feelings for India than you had before this knowledge.
Thanks,
RUby.
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