Hindu Taqiyya

[KediKesenFare3]

Absolutely brilliant bro. That's exactly what they are up to.
Wish I could give you +ve rating. @Kaptaan @Khafee

Thanks but everything I wrote down here is very obvious for many people. Nothing special.

 

[salarsikander]

You yoiu need to drop it. Please say that loudly in speaker in Tehran and then I will see how you live !!

Secondly if you're fire worshipper or non practising Muslims, I could care less,.

Just don't impose your shitty views on us and try to work and make your country at least civilised so that it can have normal relations with world

@waz Bro can you please check the negative ratings I have received from an Irrelevant members who is not party to discussion. If anything, my post was offensive it could be reported to MODS. Whereas I just happened to present my reasoning.

 

[Mamluk]

@waz Bro can you please check the negative ratings I have received from an Irrelevant members who is not party to discussion. If anything, my post was offensive it could be reported to MODS. Whereas I just happened to present my reasoning.

I don't see how that post deserves negative rating. Did he think "fire worshiper" is offensive? Zoroastrians indeed are fire worshipers.

 

[salarsikander]

I don't see how that post deserves negative rating. Did he think "fire worshiper" is offensive? Zoroastrians indeed are fire worshipers.

Typical of Indians. Instead of Counter arguing the coward of Saffron mentality gave me negative rating.

 

[Soulspeek]

Can a muslim apply tilak on his forehead?

Then why your pants got in a twist when you saw Modi denying wearing Muslim cap?

And then you have this:
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[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

I don't see how that post deserves negative rating. Did he think "fire worshiper" is offensive? Zoroastrians indeed are fire worshipers.

This was an old theory spread by roman-armenian christian pagans. Other pagans copied, reproduced this theory in their works/books, kept using this term for Zoroastrians.

First evident in the 4th century BCE, the Zoroastrian cult of fire is much younger than Zoroastrianism itself. It appears at approximately the same time as the shrine cult and is roughly contemporaneous with the introduction of Atar as a divinity. There is no allusion to a temple cult of fire in the Avesta proper, nor is there any Old Persian language word for one.

Moreover, Boyce suggests that the temple cult of fire was instituted in opposition to the image/shrine cults (an alien form of worship inherited from the Babylonians), and that "no actual ruins of a fire temple have been identified from before the Parthian period" (Boyce, 1975:454).
Following the rise of the Sassanid dynasty, the shrines to the Yazatas continued to exist, but with the statues – by law – either abandoned or replaced by fire altars.

It is recorded of one of the sons of Šāpūr I, Hormizd-Ardašīr, that in Armenia he set a sacred fire (presumably in place of a statue) in the temple of Ohrmazd at Pakaran (Movsēs Xorenacʿi, II, p. 77; V. Langlois, Collection des historiens . . . de l’Arménie II, Paris, 1869, p. 119); and Kirdēr records that by him “images were overthrown and the dens of demons [i.e. image shrines] were destroyed, and the places and abodes of yazads [i.e. fire temples] were established”

The Greeks too had a cult of the hearth fire, and although Herodotus (3.16) mentions the great veneration in which the Persians held fire, he does not single them out as being in any remarkable way “fire-worshippers,” nor does he know of temples of any kind among them (1 .131)

A Zoroastrian temple cult of fire seems to have been first instituted in the later Achaemenid period, being probably established by the orthodox as a counter-move to the innovation of a temple-cult, with statues of “Anāhīt.”

Firetemples appeared almost 800 years after Zoroaster (pbuh), even then it was not their God.

Apparently, it was only in the Atash-i Vahram that fire was kept continuously burning, with the Adaran fires being annually relit. While the fires themselves had special names, the structures did not, and it has been suggested that "the prosaic nature of the middle Persian names (kadag, man, and xanag are all words for an ordinary house) perhaps reflect a desire on the part of those who fostered the temple-cult ... to keep it as close as possible in character to the age-old cult of the hearth-fire, and to discourage elaboration"

Atar is already evident in the Gathas, the oldest texts of the compendium of the Avesta and believed to have been composed by Zoroaster himself. At this juncture, as in the Yasna Haptanghaiti (the seven-chapter Yasna that structurally interrupts the Gathas and is linguistically as old as the Gathas themselves), atar is still—with only one exception—an abstract concept simply an instrument, a medium, of the Creator and is not yet the divinity (yazata) of heat and light that atar was to become in the later texts.

The doctrine behind the observances has been admirably formulated by J. Darmesteter (SBE IV, p. 115 n. 2): “As the earthly representative of the heavenly fire (the Bahrām fire) is the sacred center to which every earthly fire longs to return, in order to be united again, as much as possible, with its native abode.

Also in the early texts, tangential to its role in establishing guilt, atar is the light of revelation through which Zoroaster is selected for prophet-hood, the Zarathushtra Mainyu Athra (Yasna 31.3), radiated by Wisdom/Mazda (43.9), bearing the conviction of "Good Purpose" (Vohu Manah, 43.4; see also Amesha Spenta), and enlightening one’s inner-self (46.7). Within this framework of the concept of divine illumination, atar radiates the "other lights" (31.7), the essence (of Mazda) from which insight and wisdom permeate the universe. So also Zoroaster's injunction to always pray in the presence of atar—either towards the sun, or towards their own hearths—so as to better concentrate their devotions on asha, righteousness, and the virtue that should be striven for (Yasna 43.9, see also Boyce, 1975:455).

Probably ever since the establishment of the temple cult of fire Zoroastrians have been known to those of other faiths as “fire worshippers,” a title which they themselves have as regularly repudiated, on the grounds that fire is for them simply an icon, helping them to fix their thoughts on God and truth, as enjoined by their prophet.

@SALMAN F

 

[Roybot]

You may wonder about this terminology but I think it's really a matching concept here.

I already talked with some Pakistani users about India's new approach towards the Muslim nations in the Middle East. The Turkish-Indian relation is one good example to see what I was talking about.

Turkey - India

There are historical connections between India and Turkey. The first exchange of diplomatic missions between the Ottoman Sultans and the Muslim rulers of the subcontinent dates back to the years 1481-82. India and Turkey also have a cultural overlap. The Sufi philosophy of Mevlana Jelaluddin Rumi found resonance in the Indian sub-continent with its own traditions of Sufism and the Bhakti movement. There are also many words in common in Hindustani and Turkish languages.


More recent historical contacts between India and Turkey were reflected in the medical mission led by renowned Indian freedom fighter, Dr. M.A. Ansari, to Turkey in 1912 during the Balkan Wars and the Khilafat movement (1919-1924). India also extended support in the 1920s to Turkey’s War of Independence and the formation of the Turkish republic. Mahatma Gandhi himself took a stand against the injustices inflicted on Turkey at the end of World War-I. (...)

Source: Indian Embassy in Turkey

After reading this short introduction, you'd almost think India is a Muslim country.

This text and the recent developments between India and the GCC states are just additional evidence that India is trying to construct a different narrative of its own history to change its perception in the Islamic world.

Modi's main goal is to occupy the rightful place of Pakistan among the Muslim world. It might sound strange at first but if you think about it you'll understand my arguments. New Delhi is trying to show India as Islamic as possible in the Muslim world in order to make Pakistan obsolete.

I know this won't work in the long term but one have to admit in some cases this strategy was successful.

Gentle reminder:

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Getting ostentatiously closer and closer to Sunni Arab Gulf countries, using Pakistan's Muslim legacy to build bridges to Turkey and in some cases even sending only Muslim Indian diplomats to Islamic countries are other examples of this new approach. I call this "Hindu Taqqiya".

India is home to 200 Million plus Muslims, its not an Islamic country, but it has plenty of Muslims. You of course highlight the shared past and history and whats common with the host country on the website of your embassy. Nothing written on the embassy's website is wrong or misleading. If someone is being misled to think that India is a Muslim country, then the person is not well read and possibly illiterate.

So nothing to do with Hindu "taqiyya", more to do with warped thinking and limited knowledge.

 

[SorryNotSorry]

Just business folks, just business. No need to get upset.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Narendra Modi to become first Indian PM to visit Palestine, will travel to UAE and Oman thereafter

During the visit, the prime minister will hold discussions on matters of mutual interest with their leaders, apart from participating in other events.

By: Express Web Desk | New Delhi | Updated: January 27, 2018 10:16 pm

Narendra Modi will become the first Indian Prime Minister to pay a state visit to Palestine.
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Prime Minister Narendra Modi will be on a state visit to Palestine, UAE and Oman from February 9-12. This will be the first-ever visit by an Indian prime minister to Palestine. During the visit, the prime minister will hold discussions on matters of mutual interest with their leaders, apart from participating in other events.

PM Modi would be addressing the Sixth World Government Summit being held in Dubai at which India has been extended ‘Guest of Honour’ status. He will also meet the Indian community in UAE and Oman.

In Oman, PM Modi’s focus would be on intensifying cooperation in key sectors such as trade and defence. According to the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA), the bilateral trade and investment between India and Oman remain robust and buoyant. Bilateral trade, which saw a decline during 2014-15 and 2015-16, has resumed its upward trend with an increase of 3.6 per cent from USD 3.8 billion in 2015-16 to USD 4 billion in 2016-17, the ministry said.

PM Modi’s visit to Palestine assumes huge significance in the sense that India was one of the first countries to recognise the state of Palestine in 1988. The visit to Palestine also comes after PM Modi hosted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on a six-day visit to India between 14-19 January as the two countries marked the completion of 25 years of the establishment of diplomatic relations.

After the Modi-Netanyahu talks, Vijay Gokhale, secretary (economic relations) in the MEA, had said, “What the two sides agreed, that our relationship was much larger than any single issue…that we need to look at it holistically and while we continue to talk to each other, our relationship is not determined by a single issue.” He was asked whether the long-pending issue of Palestine figured in the talks between the two prime ministers.

India, however, recently voted for an Arab sponsored resolution that rejected US President Donald Trump’s move to recognise Jerusalem as the Israeli capital despite its close ties with Israel.

 

[Cherokee]

Narendra Modi to become first Indian PM to visit Palestine, will travel to UAE and Oman thereafter

During the visit, the prime minister will hold discussions on matters of mutual interest with their leaders, apart from participating in other events.

By: Express Web Desk | New Delhi | Updated: January 27, 2018 10:16 pm

Narendra Modi will become the first Indian Prime Minister to pay a state visit to Palestine.
Related News

Prime Minister Narendra Modi will be on a state visit to Palestine, UAE and Oman from February 9-12. This will be the first-ever visit by an Indian prime minister to Palestine. During the visit, the prime minister will hold discussions on matters of mutual interest with their leaders, apart from participating in other events.

PM Modi would be addressing the Sixth World Government Summit being held in Dubai at which India has been extended ‘Guest of Honour’ status. He will also meet the Indian community in UAE and Oman.

In Oman, PM Modi’s focus would be on intensifying cooperation in key sectors such as trade and defence. According to the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA), the bilateral trade and investment between India and Oman remain robust and buoyant. Bilateral trade, which saw a decline during 2014-15 and 2015-16, has resumed its upward trend with an increase of 3.6 per cent from USD 3.8 billion in 2015-16 to USD 4 billion in 2016-17, the ministry said.

PM Modi’s visit to Palestine assumes huge significance in the sense that India was one of the first countries to recognise the state of Palestine in 1988. The visit to Palestine also comes after PM Modi hosted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on a six-day visit to India between 14-19 January as the two countries marked the completion of 25 years of the establishment of diplomatic relations.

After the Modi-Netanyahu talks, Vijay Gokhale, secretary (economic relations) in the MEA, had said, “What the two sides agreed, that our relationship was much larger than any single issue…that we need to look at it holistically and while we continue to talk to each other, our relationship is not determined by a single issue.” He was asked whether the long-pending issue of Palestine figured in the talks between the two prime ministers.

India, however, recently voted for an Arab sponsored resolution that rejected US President Donald Trump’s move to recognise Jerusalem as the Israeli capital despite its close ties with Israel.

Keep wailing and crying . China is already a great power and in a few decades India will be as well and Turkey is destined to be a great nobody .

 

[xenon54 out]

Keep wailing and crying . China is already a great power and in a few decades India will be as well and Turkey is destined to be a great nobody .

A nobody with sanitation.

 

[Cherokee]

A nobody with sanitation.

Yes.That's your future .

 

[xenon54 out]

Yes.That's your future .

And do you see sanitation for broader mass of Indian population in your superpower future?

 

[itachii]

Modi's main goal is to occupy the rightful place of Pakistan among the Muslim world. It might sound strange at first but if you think about it you'll understand my arguments. New Delhi is trying to show India as Islamic as possible in the Muslim world in order to make Pakistan obsolete.

What a crap ? Why would we ever want to replace pakistan's place in muslim world ?

Our problem is with the state sponsored terrorism of pak against India and not its religion. Tomorrow pakistanis can convert enmasse to a different religion and we wouldnt care less.

India doesnt see its foreign relation with other countries through the lens of religion but based on its intrests and mutual benefit. Unlike pak, tomorrow if Midle east countries go to a war against each other we wouldnt take any sides, we wouldn't loan our troops or our equipment.

Modi made trips to many countries to bring investments in to India and create jobs for his people. His visit or closeness to muslim countries or its leaders isnt any different.

There is a lot of money stashed in GCC countries which they could invest in India and make profits while we benefit from those investments.

The problem with muslims in general is that they look everything and everyone through religious lines, this is common for all abrahmic religions but christians and jews mostly came out of this view. while muslims are struck with it and are getting more hardlined by every passing day. The problem with such a view is that you can never unite all the people of your own religion because of differences among your own, while you alliente people of other religions.

 

[Cherokee]

And do you see sanitation for broader mass of Indian population in your superpower future?

That what turks will do.