Hindu Taqiyya

[Saif al-Arab]

I live and travel West, in last 10 years KSA and GCC has send thousands of youngster to Canadian and US engineering schools . And I smell a huge expulsion of foreign worker is coming soon.

I am a chemical engineer myself. Studied in both the US and Europe. There is currently not enough of work for youngsters in KSA which is why reforms are necessary and why they have been pursued. Genuine ones it seems. The entire economic system must be reconstructed profoundly - a work in process.
The numbers will definitely decrease in the future (which is only natural as locals must be given priority as they are given in every country in the world) but there will always be expats in the GCC similar to how it is in the West.

Also don't forget the green card talk or naturalization which has been discussed although I understand that you are against such policies as per that other thread about the Rohingyas.

Anyway did you ever visit that well-known Saudi Arabian restaurant in Virginia?

India doesn't see International diplomacy through the prism of Religion or Sect for that matter. Our Ministry of External Affairs work for the interests of India and Indians around the world and not to please others.

Here is the list of Indian Ambassadors in GCC

UAE: Navdeep Suri
Bahrain: Alok Kumar
Kuwait: Sunil Jain
Oman: Indra Mani Pandey
Qatar: P Kumaran
KSA: Ahmad Javed

One can see clearly see How India has flooded Islamic countries with Muslim Indian Diplomats. Heck I am sure if Hindus were allowed in Mecca and Medina we wouldn't have a Muslim Ambassador in KSA as well.

KSA being the exception, lol. Good to see. Hindus will feel uncomfortable in KSA by default given how much meat we eat. Especially people from Gujarat. No Hindu temples either. Hindu right-wingers will feel more at home in Pakistan than KSA on this front. Just joking.

 

[ranjeet]

And then you have this:
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http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/sufi-imam-angry-over-modi-refusing-to-wear-his-cap-10847.html

What exactly is this? Could you kindly elaborate on what you are trying to say with this picture?

 

[HAIDER]

I am a chemical engineer myself. Studied in both the US and Europe. There is currently not enough of work for youngsters in KSA which is why reforms are necessary and why they have been pursued. Genuine ones it seems. The entire economic system must be reconstructed profoundly - a work in process.
The numbers will definitely decrease in the future (which is only natural as locals must be given priority as they are given in every country in the world) but there will always be expats in the GCC similar to how it is in the West.

Also don't forget the green card talk or naturalization which has been discussed although I understand that you are against such policies as per that other thread about the Rohingyas.

Anyway did you ever visit that well-known Saudi Arabian restaurant in Virginia?

Not yet, but I am looking to enjoy Mandi in traditional style .... its not fun with fork and knife.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Not yet, but I am looking to enjoy Mandi in traditional style .... its not fun with fork and knife.

Traditional is always the best. Homemade the best by far. Being invited to a home where a talented grandmother (s) prepare the food is a sight to behold. Everywhere in the world for that matter.

Visit Ridan House of Mandi in Karachi, Khalib ibn al-Walid (ra) Road.

There are plenty of Arab restaurants in the US. Including exclusively Saudi Arabian. Both on the East Coast and West Coast and the Midwest. Or better visit the GCC one day if you have not visited already.

For now visit that one in Virginia. I cannot post any links yet but write "Aldeerah restaurant, Viriginia" on Google. You won't regret it and it is traditional and run by US Saudi Arabians. Saudi Arabian students from quite a far visit it.

Anyway you made me go off-topic so we should return to topic.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

@salarsikander @Horus @Taimoor Khan @Fledgingwings @Doordie

More recent historical contacts between India and Turkey were reflected in the medical mission led by renowned Indian freedom fighter, Dr. M.A. Ansari, to Turkey in 1912 during the Balkan Wars and the Khilafat movement (1919-1924). India also extended support in the 1920s to Turkey’s War of Independence and the formation of the Turkish republic. Mahatma Gandhi himself took a stand against the injustices inflicted on Turkey at the end of World War-I. (...)

Source: Indian Embassy in Turkey


What a load of bullcr@p. One thing we as Pakistanis need to tell the world, as a correction in narrative and history, that the "chorun" the present day Indians are selling about so called history has got NOTHING to do with them. The khilafat movement was launched by the Muslims of sub-continent, a region which was under the British occupation and Raj. To call it a "Indian history" is utter non sense. Their existence as a nation started exactly on the day which is 15th August 1947.

 

[Hold up]

Lol look at that loser posing with the sheikhs

Do they realise how puny they are infront of the Muslim world? Trying to suck up to the Arabs

 

[TheTravla]

Drop the Hindu rhetoric! Just because India is in the death grip of the Hindu Taliban there's no need to malign Hindus. Pakistan harbours over two million peaceful Hindus in the country. Nepal and Sri Lanka both have a sizeable Hindu population, too. Both countries share strong ties with Pakistan.

As for Indians claiming Pakistan's history that's nothing new. The fault lies solely with the Pakistani intellectual who do nothing to counter it, not the Indians who spew rubbish.

Pakistan is a closed book due to the security issues which prevents people to people interaction. This only exacerbates matters and so what little people hear about Pakistan isnt positive, largely revolves around a nut-job shouting a bunch of inane rubbish and gesticulating erratically with his hands. This only helps enable and play into the Indian narrative.

Pakistan is a frontier state and needs remove itself from the muslim equation. It has done massive damage to the countries image and standing. India is more than welcome to replace Pakistan's position as the muslim footstool.

 

[Stag112]

Can we have an even lower quality analyses easentially to promote religious hatred rooted in ones upbringing please?

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Now, why any country will defend Pakistan interest ? .. look at Pakistan trade partners. Not even half of Indian trade.
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India is open minded, more focused on the world.
For example Pakistan should recognize Armenia and Israel as sovereign states.
India doest see the outside world through religion. The first step is to step out of the ummah thinking and liking or disliking countries because of their religion. Dont let others lure you in conflicts which are not directly related to the security of Pakistan

 

[salarsikander]

lure you in their conflicts.

And Iran needs to act like a civilised nation and drop the shitty old glory rhetoric, which is making Iran increasingly isolated in entire planet

akistan is a frontier state and needs remove itself from the muslim equation. It has done massive damage to the countries image and standing. India is more than welcome to replace Pakistan's position as the muslim footstool.

Not sure how much you're, if any, well rehearsed with the history, but Pakistan was created out of an idea for Muslims of sub continent, as long musli m are free from Hindu rule. So the idea of Islam and Pakistan separated from it is unimaginable. You would have more chances of Zionists getting kicked out of Israel than Pakistan dropping its core ideology of its existence

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

And Iran needs to act like a civilised nation and drop the shitty old glory rhetoric, which is making Iran increasingly isolated in entire planet

Yes I agree, we need to drop umma-ism, pull back from arab-Israel conflict.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

You yoiu need to drop it. Please say that loudly in speaker in Tehran and then I will see how you live !!
Secondly if you're fire worshipper or non practising Muslims, I could care less,.
Just don't impose your shitty views on us and try to work and make your country at least civilised so that it can have normal relations with world

We cannot say those things loud because we have certain creatures who don't tolerate other voices/opinions and honestly I don't know which resistant or shitty virus has infected their brains and soul.

I'm neither a fire- nor a cube/stoneworshipper. You're exactly the example which I talked about.. seeing the world only through Islam/ummah.

I'm free to share my opinion here and my countrymen are mature/civilized enough when it comes to normal relation with their fellow countrymen.. at least they dont bomb each other!

 

[salarsikander]

We cannot say those things loud because we have certain creatures who don't tolerate other voices/opinions and honestly I don't know which resistant or shitty virus has infected their brains and soul.

I'm neither a fire- nor a cube/stoneworshipper. You're exactly the example which I talked about.. seeing the world only through Islam/ummah.

I'm free to share my opinion here and my countrymen are mature/civilized enough when it comes to normal relation with their fellow countrymen.. at least they dont bomb each other!

Oh yes but they do use Israeli weaponry on a land where shiasm originated. Very rich.

Oh yes we have khwarij who bomb us, now next time try and associate nthem with my fellow country men I will have you reported. Let this be a warning !

No seriously, I have not seen any more deluded and egostic creatures on planet earth who could compare themselves to Irani. Its like each and everyone one of you is like a walking talking god on earth. Thatsnhow you lot sound to us( world)

For starters bring some reform in your own house before telling us what to do.

I can recommend heading to local CIA operatives or neighbouring gulf country where you can seek their help. In bringing reforms. You know you should play your part and get rid of zombie infestation that has been in your country since revolution. Because anything in have seen Iranians as most westernised people when they step out of so callled Islamic and glorious Iran. Some should tell the black clads, that they really need to step up the game of propaganda. People like u are living proof that propaganda is either making people way too ignorant of Islam or to much of a zombie who are only controlled by black clads as puppets

 

[Śakra]

You may wonder about this terminology but I think it's really a matching concept here.

I already talked with some Pakistani users about India's new approach towards the Muslim nations in the Middle East. The Turkish-Indian relation is one good example to see what I was talking about.

Turkey - India

There are historical connections between India and Turkey. The first exchange of diplomatic missions between the Ottoman Sultans and the Muslim rulers of the subcontinent dates back to the years 1481-82. India and Turkey also have a cultural overlap. The Sufi philosophy of Mevlana Jelaluddin Rumi found resonance in the Indian sub-continent with its own traditions of Sufism and the Bhakti movement. There are also many words in common in Hindustani and Turkish languages.


More recent historical contacts between India and Turkey were reflected in the medical mission led by renowned Indian freedom fighter, Dr. M.A. Ansari, to Turkey in 1912 during the Balkan Wars and the Khilafat movement (1919-1924). India also extended support in the 1920s to Turkey’s War of Independence and the formation of the Turkish republic. Mahatma Gandhi himself took a stand against the injustices inflicted on Turkey at the end of World War-I. (...)

Source: Indian Embassy in Turkey

After reading this short introduction, you'd almost think India is a Muslim country.

This text and the recent developments between India and the GCC states are just additional evidence that India is trying to construct a different narrative of its own history to change its perception in the Islamic world.

Modi's main goal is to occupy the rightful place of Pakistan among the Muslim world. It might sound strange at first but if you think about it you'll understand my arguments. New Delhi is trying to show India as Islamic as possible in the Muslim world in order to make Pakistan obsolete.

I know this won't work in the long term but one have to admit in some cases this strategy was successful.

Gentle reminder:

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Getting ostentatiously closer and closer to Sunni Arab Gulf countries, using Pakistan's Muslim legacy to build bridges to Turkey and in some cases even sending only Muslim Indian diplomats to Islamic countries are other examples of this new approach. I call this "Hindu Taqqiya".

So let me get this straight, you're upset we use diplomacy to get the best possible deal for us?

 

[Cthulhu]

A brotherly word of advice to our Pakistani brothers, Your foreign policy is based on "Muslim Umma" concept, the idea that Muslim Umma is going to play the same role for you that NATO is playing for western society. But the thing you gotta know is that the Muslim Umma is much more fractured than western society in terms of linguistics, geographical, dispersion and tribalism. Muslims across the Muslims world don't speaks the same language, they don't have the same kind of Islam, some of them are very comfortable where they are they won't wanna wreck that for something like Kashmir. So in short terms, there is no such thing as Muslim Umma. Muslim Umma has died long long time ago and the Umma that you hear about is just a scheme used by GCC countries to use you as their mercenaries to fight their wars. Look at the Palestine Issue for example, there are 1.7 billion Muslims in the world and 6.1 million Jews in Israel, that makes 279 Muslim per Jew, and somehow these 1.7 billion Muslims can't get Palestine back from these Jews? Even though Al-Aqsa Mosque, the second holy place in Islam is located in there? So why do you think anybody in the Muslim Umma is going himself killed by fighting 1.3 billion people to get Kashmir back for you guys? Do you think it really matters to those GCC countries who gets the Kashmir? @KediKesenFare said India's policy won't work in the long term but he is wrong, India is clearly aimed to be a future super power, and when that happens do you really think these GCC counties that probably will have big trade relations with India at that time are going to get themselves in to trouble by backing you guys??? Being mercenary is all they want from you cause quite frankly, that's all you have to offer. Right now China, an infidel country, is more useful to you than all of the Muslim Umma and that's because they are the Indian's rivals, so they are backing you. The sooner you figure out about this Umma scheme and start rebuilding your economy and foreign relationships will be better for you.