Hawking: God did not create Universe

[Patrician]

It simply means that this knowledge is unknown. It doesn't mean that this knowledge is forever out of reach. Simply attributing these to God would be wrong.

The rest of the post was pseudo intellectual blabber.

If, my dear friend, that was it, then,

Russel Bertrand is a pseudo intellectual
Jean Paul Sartre is a pseudo intellectual
Einstein was a pseudo intellectual
Gandhi was a pseudo intellectual
Swami Vivekananda was a pseudo intellectual
Aristotle was a pseudo intellectual
Plato was a pseudo intellectual
Socrates was a pseudo intellectual

the list is endless.

It's human nature. First we fear things we don't know about. Then we respect them. And then comes the third and last stage when we are at a comfort level with them.

Religion and humans, as of now, are at the second stage. For the third stage to begin, science will have to provide the push. Rest will follow.

Like I said, this is hardcore philosophy we are getting into. I wouldn't expect you to understand it in one minute or so. Quite simply, you can't, nobody can.

So....

Peace!

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Was Gandhi a weak mind? Evidently he was deeply religious.

Was Swami Vivekananda a weak mind? LOL Now don't say he wasn't religious.

Don't make sweeping generalizations which are untenable 9 times out of 10.

P.S. By the way, in case you didn't notice, you got OWNED!

Ya generalisation may be incorrect not sure.
let me try it.. Powerful mind means different kind of power for each one. A soldier who is not afraid of bullets and bomb can be afraid of rats,dogs,darkness, etc.
one area is powerful and another area can be weak.

 

[Patrician]

Ya generalisation may be incorrect not sure.
let me try it.. Powerful mind means different kind of power for each one. A soldier who is not afraid of bullets and bomb can be afraid of rats,dogs,darkness, etc.
one area is powerful and another area can be weak.

That only proves that the strength of one's mind has nothing to do with religion. If it has, it has to do only in the positive way.

Mostly all great men were deeply religious. Religion fills the inner void. The space that's between the known and the unknown and hence provides strength many a times.

The problem comes when we take religion from individual domain to public domain.

 

[S.U.R.B.]

I have nothing to say about his theory.But looks like the ascending paralysis due to ALS(Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis) is in later stage .....hope he doesnt mess up his relations with God at this time span. I know that the cognitive functions are preserved even in later stages of this disease.

But before thinking about invisible forces ,gravity lines and the spontaneous creation one should look at his/her own body and ponder how the phenomenon of spheroids development is taking place in motor neurons, a time bomb for the big bang....

I can just pray for him.

 

[hellofriends]

Of course! when did I say it doesn't apply to religious theories. in fact the belief that earth was the center of universe was upheld by the church itself.

Change is the only constant in life. Theories change. People change. Nations change. Religions change.

One thing that doesn't change is that there is something that controls many events that comprise our life.

Call it what you will.

well....it's seem that you r a great supporter religious theories just you said it also apply on religion...some thing not in balance.....

 

[Patrician]

"God exists" that's where my belief begins

"Region has used the idea of god to screw up human civilization" That's where my belief ends.

Rest of all is just words put into my mouth.

I believe in god. I don't believe the idea of god that's advocated by religion.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Well it will be better if we read his upcoming book, he must have got some solid reasons behind what he said...

 

[FreekiN]

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I once made a thread which challenged the existence of god and it was deleted without reason. Didn't bother making it again because i thought someones feelings were hurt.

I asked if anyone could come up with something on this Earth or something we know exists, which can't exist without the existence of God.

btw, I haven't seen the mullah brigade in a while, where have they gone?

 

[Patrician]

Scientists are also humans like us. They are also wrong like us. They can also act in self-interest like we do.

Once upon a time, Edison and Tesla fought over the best form of electricity for mass usage vis a vis A.C. or D.C.

Tesla's A.C., was much better (as proven later on). But hey, just go through the internet and you'll know what cheap trick Edition didn't play to make his D.C. win the race.


So what is this brouhaha about?

 

[scrumpy]

Russel Bertrand is a pseudo intellectual
Jean Paul Sartre is a pseudo intellectual
Einstein was a pseudo intellectual
Gandhi was a pseudo intellectual
Swami Vivekananda was a pseudo intellectual
Aristotle was a pseudo intellectual
Plato was a pseudo intellectual
Socrates was a pseudo intellectual

the list is endless.

It's human nature. First we fear things we don't know about. Then we respect them. And then comes the third and last stage when we are at a comfort level with them.

Religion and humans, as of now, are at the second stage. For the third stage to begin, science will have to provide the push. Rest will follow.

Like I said, this is hardcore philosophy we are getting into. I wouldn't expect you to understand it in one minute or so. Quite simply, you can't, nobody can.

So....

Peace!

Seriously?? You intend on arguing with more wishy washy nothings? Count me out.

 

[Patrician]

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I once made a thread which challenged the existence of god and it was deleted without reason. Didn't bother making it again because i thought someones feelings were hurt.

I asked if anyone could come up with something on this Earth or something we know exists, which can't exist without the existence of God.

btw, I haven't seen the mullah brigade in a while, where have they gone?

They are busy with Zaid Hamid in recording for their next TV debate..you know...on this match fixing conspiracy..err...I mean match fixing controversy.

 

[Patrician]

Seriously?? You intend on arguing with more wishy washy nothings? Count me out.

As a matter of fact..I didn't...so

This is hardcore philosophy which, my dear, is beyond your ken. And I always maintained that, didn't I?

I'm not saying you can't understand it. i'm saying you need a lot of time and reading to understand it.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

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btw, I haven't seen the mullah brigade in a while, where have they gone?

Stepehsn Hawking can dent their faith, They don't want to listen to a non muslim infidel who has lost his mind

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

I beg to differ.

Humans didn't create god. Humans discovered god through theology or philosophy.

The question is what went wrong?

Humans started with the right idea "GOD EXISTS". That's what we started with.

After this, religions took over and explained "WHAT GOD DOES, WHAT GOD LIKES, WHAT GOD THINKS" and what not

In short, humans started to quantify God and that's what went wrong.

It's impossible to quantify something which conforms to the principle of God.

Religion thus created a conflict. It chose to quantify and describe something which was impossible to be quantified or described.

It's a very deep philosophy. I have only tried to put it across in simple words so that todays MBA's, Engineers and Doctors are able to understand it.

By the way, I'm myself an engineer. At least that's what my degree tells me.

That was just a famous poem..and Filim song.
i know belief of god came first..out of fear and helplessness.Men was sacred of lightning so it was a god..and so is wind..they find sun and moon powerful and helpful and extra ordinary so run too became..and almost every thing become a god. When our knowledge advanced we come to know all those thing..but still mistery and insecurity life and death,problems disease etc remained a question mark.
so we modernised our gods and religion.we have to keep it modern or else another modern god or religion will take over the current one.
and finally belief in god is not a bad thing at all it gives him courage,hope, Inspiration to do good things,etc. It requires a great amount of mental power to become an atheist.because he know he will have to handle every situation alone,there is no reward for good works,there is no punishment for bad behavior, but still he has to live a good life..do good things knowing there is no reward..only thing which leads him is morality. And finally to every body this is what is think about this issue..no offence to any body or religion..dont kill me for this..lol.

 

[Patrician]

Science can never be the know-all be-all all by itself.

Science and God will have to converge one day.

Scientists are already debating if the end of science is at hand.

Evidently, stephan hawking himself had predicted the finding of 'the theory of everything' about 20 years ago.

The search is still on.